Just finished having a convo with some about the merits of chastising those who spend...its counterproductive IMO. Spenders are the reason we are not playing s 2002 flip phone version of a mobile game...clashing with those guys, most of who encourage all play types, fight for the casual player to still be competitive & the many that spend time, effort & money figuing out GG's crazy updates to post how to's isn't the answer.
Instead we need to direct our efforts at GG. The guys who have created such an imbalance in the game that attacking seems both overpowered & underpowered at the same time. Top teams & players are strong to the point that attacking each other leads to easy defenses, yet the same attack on a player in just a slightly less capable alliance cam lead to massive loses.
Some players easily carry 500 or 600K defense across all lands without being negative on food, while others struggle to carry 100k...this will only get worse with the introduction of the new mead based troops. Add in the new defensive build items & many of the other updates, some, many in fact, while get left so far behind they will never catch up.
This should be unacceptable to all, but even more so to those of us who do spend. Without a competitive player base of all types of players we will eventually be forced to either just hit the same handful of teams or attack empty castles that help us in no way...eitherway it will be even more boring than the current offering from GG of spending more time playing in fake servers than our own because thats the only way to get new stuff.
While those who spend should be entitled to an advantage, that still has to be balanced. I can't say I see that balance at all in todays game. Most of us buyers have already forked over the rubies for the newest flag symbols & are enjoying a 40% boost in food production, great! But the closest coin option, for the non-spenders is not even a 10% boost. The fact those willing to spend are already making far more food...the boosts just exacerbates that issue. I am sure we can think of plenty of things & many of us have to reduce this gap, but until GG opens their ears nothing will change.
Well said @Charlie Wilson (US1) . I don't try disrespect whales. We need all types of players. It's the fact that GG only caters for them is the issue. The ever widening gap.
Most big spenders appreciate we need everyone. The spending should give U an advantage but the balance is way off.
It's really important that spenders start speaking out and fight for the rest of players.
So thank you!
"My personal spending in outers and BtH has dropped significantly since GG removed the rubies from the 50k box in those events."
This has been a common theme I have heard from many...it used to be worth jumping & grabbing a starter pack during a 200% sale, then playing the event. It has lost that for sure & the newest answer is even worse.
@BM_Quaffel_EN and @BM_Red Phoenix
"The initiative was taken by GGS, based on player feedback about having to build castles from scratch and also frequent food shortages in Outers due to lower food production capabilities"
Please ask GG not take anymore initiatives. Either listen to what we say properly or check before U implement such garbage.
Oh yes! If only GG communicated. Or had a test server. I'm reasonably sure this would have been predicted to be a disaster by 99.8% of players. Irrespective of how much they spend.
I'm really struggling with the word initiative here. Feels like a 4 year old burning the house down because mummy said winter was coming and it would be nice to have a fire🔥
Dude, open the other thread!! You are to late to create this one. Now I cant reply on conversatons in the other thread.
Instead of making blabla threads when new events are coming. Those are posted before the event starts and after an update/new month you are way to late!
Please call it the october update just like the previous thread. Makes more sense.
Warspite (AU1) said:
@BM_Quaffel_EN - How about as a start you merge all the input from the Thoughts on October 2020 Update here so all those comments don’t fade from view? Or is that the intention? https://community.goodgamestudios.com/fourkingdoms/en/discussion/53346/thoughts-on-october-2020-update#latest
Love the 2nd point. To compensate we increased the number of tokens. If the developers can't see the error in that statement then they must be back on the crack
Warspite (AU1) said:
@BM_Red Phoenix - Is the 50m coin cost to enter Outers correct? I find it hard to believe - I wonder how many will ante up for Outers now if this is the case.
Outers and horizon is for Apples or for those that wants to be Apples. Every x time starting from 0, the same thing. No matter which rewards they give its a Banana event! I would choose to start another game instead of those Grapefruit events.
Its just like brainless hitting nomads with a train. They need to let the camp vanish for x time just like the foreigners. Why the difference?
talk about this update. It's very bad.
is just to much, at first I tought it was 5M, wich is already quite a
sum, I paid thinking “o yes 5M is a bit much but I can afford it I
grind a lot of money so it's fine”. Wellp to bad for me I had 150M,
so that 1/3 of my money gone, no suprise there, I won't pay such a sum
anymore. It's just to much for to little. Granted I will still gain a
lot since there are not many who entred the outers, it's still not
worth it. Not to mention that very little amount of player have this
much money, and even less are ready to have it disappear in one go.
that is because the outer are just not fun. Yes I have now my castle
with me but that is all. I can't do anything more then before. I
still don't have money ( 100k is to little and the price of soldiers
in the armorer have gone up ), and I don't have real ways to make
money. Npc are to low in level in the plains and even tought I was
able to go in Ice there I don't have my castle there is no way of
keeping a decent amount of troups to farm money. I did try tought
right now I'm ranked 44 in the looting ranking.
say that nothing has changed in the outer, if I don't pay I can't
raise any troops to defend or attack, and in addition I now have to
ruin myself to participate. ( maybe having to pay one time to always
be able to enter would be better, not 50M of course... ).
it is great that ggs tried to listen to us, how sad tought that we
ggs wanted to be a PVP event is in fact not one because unless you
pay there is no way to have a decent amount of troops, be it
defensive or offensive, also no commender or castellan, and lets not
talk about tool.....
I have to farm all week long to not even be able to compete against
player who pay it is meaningless since it would be to late to go up
in the ranking.
shall note that you tried to go this way : research price and time
have been decreased for the outer, why didn't you go all the way out
and decrease price and time for everything ? Building, recruting
tools and soldiers traveling time, waiting time to attack Npc, and so
Outer last only a week it make no sence for it to have the same
timing as the main server. If you want competition why not give us
some thing to compete with. Bend the main server rules to archive the
result you want. GO ALL OUT. You even capt the repair time at 1 hour,
but it hold no meaning if it cost the same amount of materials since
we don't have a way to farm wood and stone.
failed the outer because you don't understand that we want to have
fun, having a lvl800 or 10 castle doesen't change anything, what need
to change are the playing rules. If we can't do anything whitout
paying it doesn't matter what lvl we are, it's no fun.
also have to point out that succes are basiclly brocken since the
introduction of the special flag symbol, wich we are still unable to
unlock. I've completed 23% of all succes and I havent unlocked any
flag other then the one who are accesible to evreyone. Note that the
amount of rubies won seem to have decreased, I't was more than 1k
before and is only 100 now. ( I know it goes up each time but it is
now less than it was before ). And some other things....
since nobody really speak about it I need to ask when are you going
to get rid of those useless, and outdated gems and equipement ? I
still remember when they were first introduced and it was quite fun
to farm them but now they're nothing but a bother. I want to farm
relic equipement and gems, that's what matters now, not even unique
equipement can compare, and I don't pay so the one I get are pretty
bad in general....
this case ggs have completely brocken the balance. First because they
are completely op. Second because non paying player cannot get high
grade relic equip, and third because there is no reliable way to farm
them. I have way to many gems with courtyard bonuses since that's all
we get from events.....
not make it possible to pillage them on Npc instead of the others when
you get pass lvl70 ? It would make more sence in my opinon, and
active non paying player could get them easyer then the mess it is
I rarely grumble publicly about this game, however, this time I am compelled to add my voice to the growing discontent.
We had a little math class in our alliance this morning, let me recap it for you..
* A max baron in ge will get you approx 31k coin.
* On average lets say 5 max barons in ge.
* An active player may be able to hit those 5 barons 3 times a day.
31k x 5 x 3 = 465k.
50,000,000 ÷ 465,000 = 107.5...
YES thats how many days it will take you to accumulate enough coin to enter outers ONCE! Does not take into consideration healing lost troops or recruiting to replace.
I am no rocket scientist but I can assure you my math tells me that is not good value for my time.
NO DEAL GG!
Thats why IN1 server Boycotted Outer Realm Event
Congo GGE you got our Respect
Fire max rbc. 30 x 27k is 810k coins. Losses are +-11. Tools hardly none if you use relic coms. Time to hit 30 max rbc's with preset is max 10 mins. 3 times a day is 2.4 mil coins/day.
50/2.4= 21 days.
But at the same time you can also hit max sand and ice rbc's.
If they can do nomads in train, is non stop watching your screen, you can also do very easy rbc's. Rbc's at level was the basic in the beginning of this game.
Jenne (NL1) said:
Fire max rbc. 30 x 27k is 810k coins. Losses are +-11. Tools hardly none if you use relic coms. Time to hit 30 max rbc's with preset is max 10 mins. 3 times a day is 2.4 mil coins/day.50/2.4= 21 days.But at the same time you can also hit max sand and ice rbc's.If they can do nomads in train, is non stop watching your screen, you can also do very easy rbc's. Rbc's at level was the basic in the beginning of this game.
3x 10 mins hitting rbc's is 30 mins time.
Hitting nomads in trains like a brainless fool is no life.
So what is your point?
Jenne (NL1) said:
3x 10 mins hitting rbc's is 30 mins time. Hitting nomads in trains like a brainless fool is no life.So what is your point?
Nope, its to expensive but the new researches are also to expensive and nobody complained.
I hate outers and horizon so I dont care much. Every x time the same event starting from scratch is nothing for me. I dont have Alzheimer yet :).
Jenne (NL1) said:
Nope, its to expensive but the new researches are also to expensive and nobody complained. I hate outers and horizon so I dont care much. Every x time the same event starting from scratch is nothing for me. I dont have Alzheimer yet .
I hate outers and horizon so I dont care much. Every x time the same event starting from scratch is nothing for me. I dont have Alzheimer yet .
Well, this is a ridiculous comparison.
Spending 50 mil coins for ENTRANCE to a seven day event is ridiculous, spending coins on permanent unlocked research is something different. ( wont say its a good investment but better than this outer realms version)
Something else to think of.
The prive of the militairy district 150k golden goins in the blacksmith....
A lv 20 wall item is 60k and in an offer 10€ so 150k/60=2.5 which in the cheapest option is 25€ of value. Even more if you calculate from the old rubie price.
Achieving top 100 in kingdoms league is worth 40k so you have to complete is about 3 times and the other 30k you get somewhere else. 3x 42 days is 126 days for such a thing. Seems a bit unballenced to me