# Wheel of torture, do we even have a choice?

Other98OfEmpire (INT4)
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**222**The jackpot rewards are added to the account even before we choose one of the 3 cards, so the rewards are predefined.

Check it out in this video, watch it in full screen.

https://youtu.be/LxwWaTf5XGI

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500Price is determined when you hit jackpot, the 3 card Draw is only visual (and therefore useless)

222Yes and where is the choice there? It's said we are choosing one of the 3 cards, but we don't.

500Jep, no choice. The choice would be a random 1 out of 3 so it really doesn't matter... But the whole card draw is useless.

1,139This is pure misleading the player thinking (s)he has any influence on the outcome of the draw. I even wonder if there is an equal chance of getting one of the three.

222Of course there isn't. I had 20 jackpots with a card which contains rubies, only got it once heh

The "luck" I had at wheel, I would sooner upgrade an equipment item to lvl 20 than getting those rubies, so much about 1/3

But I'm only speaking for myself. My teammate bought tickets for 300k rubies and got back 300k rubies from the wheel and 100k tickets left, and ofc some other stuff like equipment, coins..

I'm not sure how it works but it's probably decided who will have "luck" and who won't, after all they can't make everyone unhappy :)

500809Community Manager ›1,139It is not only not satisfactory it is pure misleading the players. It gives a false perception of reality. It looks like a card draw, it feels like a card draw but it is no card draw. So it is basically a scam. It gives the idea a player can influence the outcome but he cannot. It is just an animation. So, get rid of the cards and just show the selected price.

1,379Of course there isn't equal chance. The best stuff is less likely, as you'd expect.

500809Community Manager ›1,139It is misleading because the player gets the impression he has some influence on the outcome of the draw, but he has not. It is presented as a card draw but it has nothing to do with a card draw.

1,379do not"have the same chance to win any the three prizes displayed". Com Cruach, are you saying these are instead the chances that it is one of the 3 jackpot prizes, and then it's 33.3% after that? (my experience suggests not).2,667Knowing trees, I understand the meaning of patience.Knowing grass, I can appreciate persistence.500You do NOT have the same chance to win any of the three prizes displayed: the prize is determined the moment you hit the jackpot: 2/3 prizes displayed are only there for display purposes, the 3rd prize is the one that you alreaddy won: no matter which card you choose.

The 2/3 prizes displayed are only there for display purposes:

If this is NOT true: than the card draw is no longer a useless display thing, than this is truelly a scam. because this implies that:

The shown win chance % for the jackpot prizes is the chance that they show up as 1 of the 3 cards when you hit the jackpot AND that theres a 1/3 chance to win 1 of those 3 prizes.

This would mean that for example on wheel lvl 7 jackpot.

Cards drawn:

- 400.000 coins : 12% chance (according to game explanation)

- 16.000 rubies : 3% chance (according to game explanation)

- 20.000 rubies : 1% chance (according to game explanation)

Would be followed up by a 1/3 chance for each price.

Which would result in a actual win chance for these 3 prices of:

- 400.000 coins : 12% initial chance * 1/3 card draw = 4% chance

- 16.000 rubies : 3% initial chance * 1/3 card draw = 1% chance

- 20.000 rubies : 1% initial chance * 1/3 card draw = 0,33% chance

I do not know if this is correct math: but the ACTUAL win chance for low chance rewards: is FOR SURE lower than stated than.809Community Manager ›148It really does not matter at all which way it works.

If the percentages shown are just the chances you get the card, and afterwards you have a 33% chance of picking any card out of the three, then any reward will have its own draw percentage • (1/3) as its chance to be picked on any particular card...but since there are 3 cards it will be its own draw percentage • (1/3) • 3 = its own draw percentage

The only thing that will be different is the rewards shown on the cards that you dont pick in the end, but that doesnt really matter because as @Other98ofEmpire (INT2) showed here

The prizes are pre-determined anyway. The whole card picking is just to make it more entertaining and honestly I like it.

If you dont like it, i would suggest the android users to just press the "return" button to skip the animation of picking the cards, and i would suggest the apple users to buy an android.

Now on a different note, where did the wheel go? I haven't seen it the past 2 days, but before i saw it everyday

Still have a whole bunch of tickets left to spin and test my luck...

147Exactly right. If the wheel is going to be like this just give us the reward straight out instead of making us pick a card that will have the exact same thing behind it no matter what you pick

213Rams % of win should say 99.9%😂

500@CM_Wylka

Any update on this?

809Community Manager ›189I think the wheel can be compared to a loot box, it's a random virtual item

809Community Manager ›500@CM_Crom Cruach

I will have to corner a designer first and that's not easily done. They are wily creatures.

any update on this?

809Community Manager ›809Community Manager ›500Alright. Thanks @CM_Crom Cruach .

So: the reward chance %, as schown in the wheel's information, is the chance for the reward to generated as 1 of the 3 card flip rewards?

And: is the chance of getting 1 of the 3 generated jackpot reward cards equal (1/3) for each card?

222Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't be getting rams always 🙄

500Exactly