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  • The Torrent (GB1)The Torrent (GB1) GB1 Posts: 667
    Druids (GB1) said:
    Says it all. Same as every problem raised, no change. Excuses, waffle, and misdirection.
    You expected them to remove the ads completely?  That would have been a dream.

    What is reasonable in my opinion?  NO ads that block game play.  You can run as many as you want, if they do not block our pressing of the buttons.  There are plenty of mobile apps that run an ad at the bottom of the screen CONSTANTLY.  Doesn't interfere with the function of the app.

    Do that.   I will not complain.

    Well, not about THAT anyway.  Might complain about what the ads are, if there are too many feminine hygiene product ones...... 
    I dont think no ads would be a dream at all.

    How many other games which make loads of money from in game purchases have ads. I cant think of any its only mobile games.


    WATCHING GGE


    autocorrect changes all crom-unfriendly words to crom on gge cuz groms got something about words that are even allowed in U rated films
    i fill forward all crom unfriendly words to crom as a nice person as i know crom loves dealing with that stuff.
    semi retired and sick of game - message me in game if u wanna kamikaze ur acc with me.

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  • Wasso (INT3)Wasso (INT3) INT3 Posts: 2,942
    Druids (GB1) said:
    Says it all. Same as every problem raised, no change. Excuses, waffle, and misdirection.
    You expected them to remove the ads completely?  That would have been a dream.

    What is reasonable in my opinion?  NO ads that block game play.  You can run as many as you want, if they do not block our pressing of the buttons.  There are plenty of mobile apps that run an ad at the bottom of the screen CONSTANTLY.  Doesn't interfere with the function of the app.

    Do that.   I will not complain.

    Well, not about THAT anyway.  Might complain about what the ads are, if there are too many feminine hygiene product ones...... 
    I dont think no ads would be a dream at all.

    How many other games which make loads of money from in game purchases have ads. I cant think of any its only mobile games.


    I was referring to GGS doing the right thing by removing the ads.  THAT would have been a dream.  It is now a part of their projected revenue stream.  I have no doubt that the decision was made in the board room around a power point presentation by the marketing team.  The only way they remove this revenue stream is by replacing it with another one that makes as much if not more.

    That is why I HOPE that they can figure out how to make them NON-Intrusive.   Otherwise, this will be a bigger problem than they forecasted.  Oh, have no doubt, they expect to loose a certain percentage of non and small buyers.  The expectation is that the Ad revenue will make up for the loss of the small buyers and that the percentage of non-buyers will be low enough to not impact the gameplay of the Big Buyers.

    Never forget, the final decisions regarding MONEY are made in the board room.  They are expected to reach the revenue targets established by Stillfront Group.  GGS has to pay the owners who have to satisfy the shareholders.  

    The REAL bad news is Stillfront's stock has been taking a dive the last week.  This isn't due to disgruntled GGE players.  But, this will make them REAL reluctant to want to hear from GGS about removing that ad revenue.

    For those wondering, 932 SEK = $107.23 USD = 90.60 Euros........


    Good night.
    Sleep well.
    I'll most likely kill you in the morning.



  • bernhardt (US1)bernhardt (US1) US1 Posts: 946
    Hey, c'mon it's not GGE/Stillfront that's greedy.  It's those Swedish taxes they need to pay to support Sweden's wonderful socialism that's 'proof' that socialism can work.  It can as long as it can siphon money from the outside I guess.
  • The Torrent (GB1)The Torrent (GB1) GB1 Posts: 667
    Hey, c'mon it's not GGE/Stillfront that's greedy.  It's those Swedish taxes they need to pay to support Sweden's wonderful socialism that's 'proof' that socialism can work.  It can as long as it can siphon money from the outside I guess.
    Hah thats funny you think a company like gge will pay taxes. Chances are the drug dealers are a front for stillfront.

    WATCHING GGE


    autocorrect changes all crom-unfriendly words to crom on gge cuz groms got something about words that are even allowed in U rated films
    i fill forward all crom unfriendly words to crom as a nice person as i know crom loves dealing with that stuff.
    semi retired and sick of game - message me in game if u wanna kamikaze ur acc with me.

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  • PJH_ (GB1)PJH_ (GB1) GB1 Posts: 352
    Just a quick question...

    It says you can avoid adverts with a shop purchase...it then takes you to the shop screen : is it ONLY those specific ruby purchases that count? or do all gge transactions count - e.g. subscriptions?

    I'd been considering a subscription purchase to say thanks to gge but had been put off completely by the implementation of adverts - seems this is the way they'd rather have F2P support them even though the game play stoppage is, at best frustrating and b) builds to irritation and dissatisfaction if you've left feeding starving pixels/ defense rearrangement a bit on the late side....

    Not saying I'd now rush to make a subscription if they count....just if they don't it would really crystalize my medium term plans :)
  • If the ad's i'm seeing (after having purchased rubies in OR) were appearing on my facebook feed i'd have reported them as offensive or sexually explicit - they are against moral standards and have approached the uk advertising standards agency for advice !

    A person sat on a toilet etc. even clothed is not appropriate - children play this game - i've seen players as young as six !in the past !

    @Poseidon X Angel  plus all the other mods = information and constructive comment!
    dandelion1958 @ en 1

    Am still playing 6 years on ! - hi lvl 800 on new yrs eve (2017/18) !

    Leading the Targaryens - PS interested in joining - PM any officer in Game :-)

    PS in top200 on uk 1 never botted or used a VPN - that's why it took 5 yrs to get to leg 800
  • Sxlaxs (DE1)Sxlaxs (DE1) DE1 Posts: 12
    edited 17.11.2020

    A person sat on a toilet etc. even clothed is not appropriate - children play this game - i've seen players as young as six !in the past !

    https://prnt.sc/vl2xr6 come again? I think German law applies here since this is a German company. But let's be honest here, it's based on your cookies, not sure what you search, but even then it's just a person sitting on the toilet, u probably don't even see anything intimate...So calm down, it's just an ad..
  • dandelion1958 (GB1)dandelion1958 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 675
    edited 18.11.2020
    @Sxlaxs (DE1) it is classed as uk1 server so uk tax and advertising standards apply - it's innappropriate content for younger players - i find it offensive - there is nothing as " just an ad" ! this is where the evil starts - think how hitler took control - he controled the news and slowly increaed the pressure against minorities !
    dandelion1958 @ en 1

    Am still playing 6 years on ! - hi lvl 800 on new yrs eve (2017/18) !

    Leading the Targaryens - PS interested in joining - PM any officer in Game :-)

    PS in top200 on uk 1 never botted or used a VPN - that's why it took 5 yrs to get to leg 800
  • Sxlaxs (DE1)Sxlaxs (DE1) DE1 Posts: 12
    edited 18.11.2020
    Actually, UK law doesn't apply. Just read the ToS you accepted when you created your account. German law applies  
    Read your post and look how disrespectful you are! Comparing a dictator who killed millions of jews with ads! What is wrong with you? This is offensive to anyone, not the ads. Think about it. You see ads with people on a toilet, nobody controls the media. You know how ads work right? You control them! It's based on your search history, just delete your cookies. GGS probably only uses the engine for that. Most, like unity, have a build in ad function, so they can't change what ads are being showed.
    Post edited by Sxlaxs (DE1) on
  • Druids (GB1)Druids (GB1) GB1 Posts: 257
    Actually, UK law doesn't apply. Just read the ToS you accepted when you created your account. German law applies  
    Read your post and look how disrespectful you are! Comparing a dictator who killed millions of jews with ads! What is wrong with you? This is offensive to anyone, not the ads. Think about it. You see ads with people on a toilet, nobody controls the media. You know how ads work right? You control them! It's based on your search history, just delete your cookies. GGS probably only uses the engine for that. Most, like unity, have a build in ad function, so they can't change what ads are being showed.
    Ah!...the one who thinks he knows it all, and from DE1, what a surprise. You haven't got the server yet sunshine.
    If something is presented in another country then they have to comply with the advertising laws of that country, you could not try to force your beliefs and laws on another country, there is controls. Its just a matter of informing the authorities of any transgressions, so as they can look into it. 

    I can't see that the post compares ad's to a dictator, but rather to the news and media, so that means your brain is making wrong assumptions, that you were probably wanting to see.

    I do not think that GGE is basing their ads on cookies,  as a quick check with players shows all ads being shown, seem to be same, to all players. Most serious geeks have various security options in force on their computers, and many only allow cookies that are permitted through the spyware, and even then many outside cookies are blocked in gaming. So again we have the products of your mind popping up, and calling into question players search histories, and making assumptions. You may search for such topics and subjects, but please don't assume that others are the same. 

    So all in all your not that much in the know are you, so do not make assumptions that you are, or that you speak for other people, like you seem to think you do.
  • flug (NL1)flug (NL1) NL1 Posts: 1,019

    A person sat on a toilet etc. even clothed is not appropriate - children play this game - i've seen players as young as six !in the past !

    https://prnt.sc/vl2xr6 come again? I think German law applies here since this is a German company. But let's be honest here, it's based on your cookies, not sure what you search, but even then it's just a person sitting on the toilet, u probably don't even see anything intimate...So calm down, it's just an ad..
    they're not allowed to register ,
    you don't have to register to play this game :)  and the most kids are farover 18 :):):):)   (in behavior in the game)
    flug @ nl 1
  • Actually, UK law doesn't apply. Just read the ToS you accepted when you created your account. German law applies  
    Read your post and look how disrespectful you are! Comparing a dictator who killed millions of jews with ads! What is wrong with you? This is offensive to anyone, not the ads. Think about it. You see ads with people on a toilet, nobody controls the media. You know how ads work right? You control them! It's based on your search history, just delete your cookies. GGS probably only uses the engine for that. Most, like unity, have a build in ad function, so they can't change what ads are being showed.
    Ah!...the one who thinks he knows it all, and from DE1, what a surprise. You haven't got the server yet sunshine.
    If something is presented in another country then they have to comply with the advertising laws of that country, you could not try to force your beliefs and laws on another country, there is controls. Its just a matter of informing the authorities of any transgressions, so as they can look into it. 

    I can't see that the post compares ad's to a dictator, but rather to the news and media, so that means your brain is making wrong assumptions, that you were probably wanting to see.

    I do not think that GGE is basing their ads on cookies,  as a quick check with players shows all ads being shown, seem to be same, to all players. Most serious geeks have various security options in force on their computers, and many only allow cookies that are permitted through the spyware, and even then many outside cookies are blocked in gaming. So again we have the products of your mind popping up, and calling into question players search histories, and making assumptions. You may search for such topics and subjects, but please don't assume that others are the same. 

    So all in all your not that much in the know are you, so do not make assumptions that you are, or that you speak for other people, like you seem to think you do.
    Now correct me if I am wrong, but, ads should be based of your cookies and thus what you are interested in.
    Second, if you report and ad it's an annoyance towards the people who bought the ad spot, not the ones providing them.
  • The Torrent (GB1)The Torrent (GB1) GB1 Posts: 667
    Actually, UK law doesn't apply. Just read the ToS you accepted when you created your account. German law applies  
    Read your post and look how disrespectful you are! Comparing a dictator who killed millions of jews with ads! What is wrong with you? This is offensive to anyone, not the ads. Think about it. You see ads with people on a toilet, nobody controls the media. You know how ads work right? You control them! It's based on your search history, just delete your cookies. GGS probably only uses the engine for that. Most, like unity, have a build in ad function, so they can't change what ads are being showed.
    Actually, UK law doesn't apply. Just read the ToS you accepted when you created your account. German law applies  
    Read your post and look how disrespectful you are! Comparing a dictator who killed millions of jews with ads! What is wrong with you? This is offensive to anyone, not the ads. Think about it. You see ads with people on a toilet, nobody controls the media. You know how ads work right? You control them! It's based on your search history, just delete your cookies. GGS probably only uses the engine for that. Most, like unity, have a build in ad function, so they can't change what ads are being showed.
    Ah!...the one who thinks he knows it all, and from DE1, what a surprise. You haven't got the server yet sunshine.
    If something is presented in another country then they have to comply with the advertising laws of that country, you could not try to force your beliefs and laws on another country, there is controls. Its just a matter of informing the authorities of any transgressions, so as they can look into it. 

    I can't see that the post compares ad's to a dictator, but rather to the news and media, so that means your brain is making wrong assumptions, that you were probably wanting to see.

    I do not think that GGE is basing their ads on cookies,  as a quick check with players shows all ads being shown, seem to be same, to all players. Most serious geeks have various security options in force on their computers, and many only allow cookies that are permitted through the spyware, and even then many outside cookies are blocked in gaming. So again we have the products of your mind popping up, and calling into question players search histories, and making assumptions. You may search for such topics and subjects, but please don't assume that others are the same. 

    So all in all your not that much in the know are you, so do not make assumptions that you are, or that you speak for other people, like you seem to think you do.
    Now correct me if I am wrong, but, ads should be based of your cookies and thus what you are interested in.
    Second, if you report and ad it's an annoyance towards the people who bought the ad spot, not the ones providing them.

    They are based heavily of the provider gge chose. If ggs is to choose a sketchy route of monetisation as i would expect them to do, you will see a lot more scam websites and inappropriate stuff like they ads you see on utorrent i have open beside me or on adult sites. (i have my dns blocker turned off rn as it was breaking a tracker i was seeding too).

    If they chose a reputable platform it would be a different story.

    WATCHING GGE


    autocorrect changes all crom-unfriendly words to crom on gge cuz groms got something about words that are even allowed in U rated films
    i fill forward all crom unfriendly words to crom as a nice person as i know crom loves dealing with that stuff.
    semi retired and sick of game - message me in game if u wanna kamikaze ur acc with me.

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  • wozzell (GB1)wozzell (GB1) GB1 Posts: 88
    Rarely visit the forums these days - find a lot of it a bit too argumentative and not in a constructive way in a lot of  instances (from players and mods)

    but strolling through the discussion about the recent introduction of ads and the comments from a player that had a valid point about the subject i was shocked to see a moderator post the comment "not my job, if you don't like it don't play it" -Blimey what happened to customer service? they should put this mod in charge of  public relations! 

    p.s  for what its worth (which is obviously nothing to a mod or GGE staff) in my opinion the ads are a pain in the rear/game destroying/ and add to that that i have to pay GGE to remove them they are little more than blackmail.

    keep smiling - Wozzell
    I didn't say this about the ads, I said this to someone who complained about every aspect of the game.
    It's simple, if you don't enjoy something that's not a necessity in life, don't do it.

    But, my job is to be the connection between the players and the studio, however, there is very little I can do for someone that doesn't enjoy a single part of the game. 

  • I have no search history saved or acccessible on my laptop - so whatever they are using is random - and i find a woman even dressed sat on a toilet or bidet as offensive - if I want to look at that sort of stuff there are websites i can visit - I honestly believe that this advert does not comply to uk standards - and although GGs is german / scandinavian - as the service is provided in the uk it cannot abrogate or overrule uk law - especially after the 31st december !

    If they merge servers i think that'll be the nail in the coffin for me !
    dandelion1958 @ en 1

    Am still playing 6 years on ! - hi lvl 800 on new yrs eve (2017/18) !

    Leading the Targaryens - PS interested in joining - PM any officer in Game :-)

    PS in top200 on uk 1 never botted or used a VPN - that's why it took 5 yrs to get to leg 800
  • Sxlaxs (DE1)Sxlaxs (DE1) DE1 Posts: 12
    I have no search history saved or acccessible on my laptop - so whatever they are using is random - and i find a woman even dressed sat on a toilet or bidet as offensive - if I want to look at that sort of stuff there are websites i can visit - I honestly believe that this advert does not comply to uk standards - and although GGs is german / scandinavian - as the service is provided in the uk it cannot abrogate or overrule uk law - especially after the 31st december !

    If they merge servers i think that'll be the nail in the coffin for me !
     https://www.taylorwessing.com/download/article_governing_law.html

    Nope, the service provider can choose which law applies.
  • Druids (GB1)Druids (GB1) GB1 Posts: 257
    Sxlaxs....All you have done is prove yourself wrong, so I suggest you re-read the article properly. Any ads shown in the UK would make the Uk the consumers, and as such the consumers country of domicile.
    Nice one Sxlaxs
    ......................
    Based on our past experience, for a digital content provider who aspires to sell his products to other European countries, it is most advisable to draft the general terms of business or licensing agreements in a way that allows the application of laws of the consumer's country of domicile. 
    ........................

    Looking at GGE's ToC, I would say its all tied up in googly de gook...with contradictions, on top of contradictions, overriding just about everything, and until a country decides to test those ToC, they will continue doing what they want. Of course the ultimate card they play is that they can pull the plug on the game, when they want and where, so if any serious attention was paid to them I would guarantee the server in that country would close. In closing one of their first terms is the following, and to me Ads are specifically made for business, and Commercial purposes, which they say are prohibited. Work that out. What they have done seemingly is just add things to those ToC as they have progressed, but without addressing the core rules they made.

    .....................
    1.4      Online and mobile games and other services offered by Goodgame Studios are intended solely for the purpose of entertainment. The use of these games or services for business or commercial purposes is strictly prohibited. 
    ......................

    Of course this maybe another reason for their planned joining of servers, due to said complications, one of which would have to be the UK server as it exits the EU.
    All players are aware how the ToC's have been used by GGE to suit their purpose, depending on the subject, and I seriously doubt it will ever change, so its another case of if a player is not happy then he moves on.
  • PJH_ (GB1)PJH_ (GB1) GB1 Posts: 352
    edited 18.11.2020
    Now correct me if I am wrong, but, ads should be based of your cookies and thus what you are interested in. Second, if you report and ad it's an annoyance towards the people who bought the ad spot, not the ones providing them.
    Errr.....  I suspect you are wrong..... except for the "should be" part

    Think the game is spamming same adverts to all and I've not observed any of the sort of clever targeting using cookies that you get on even the most basic one make car forum.

    Day trading, forex, international shipping and lots of weird German toilet fixings  - the latter leading me to think that a) thier covid panic buying must mean toilet tissue is a scarce commodity or b) bidet's didn't catch on for them in  the 80's


    Put it this way....I don't think the advertisers are getting value for their money.... which I'm guessing they know and GGE aren't getting paid top dollar (well fraction of a cent...) for this : sad if it means GGE can't aford to develop the game and driving people away because of it.
  • Sxlaxs (DE1)Sxlaxs (DE1) DE1 Posts: 12
    edited 18.11.2020
    Sxlaxs....All you have done is prove yourself wrong, so I suggest you re-read the article properly. Any ads shown in the UK would make the Uk the consumers, and as such the consumers country of domicile.
    Nice one Sxlaxs
    ......................
    Based on our past experience, for a digital content provider who aspires to sell his products to other European countries, it is most advisable to draft the general terms of business or licensing agreements in a way that allows the application of laws of the consumer's country of domicile. 
    ........................

    Damn, you should really learn to read. 
    It says you can sue GGS in English courts, but they have to apply German law.
    "Under the EU Brussels I Regulation1 , a consumer has an option to bring proceedings against a foreign content provider in the courts of his country of domicile." It says you can sue them in your coutrts, not that the law applies. See below.

    "For example, by means of a choice of law clause inserted into his general terms of business or a licensing agreement, a UK content provider may stipulate English law as the governing law. Such a choice of law would lead to a situation in which a foreign court would need to apply English law. If a consumer were a resident of Slovakia, the competent court in Slovakia would have to interpret English law in order to decide the case." (Quote from the article I send). We all know that Slovakia is a part of the EU. As the UK isn't anymore(officially), it wouldn't even apply to the UK anymore.

    "Online and mobile games and other services offered by Goodgame Studios are intended solely for the purpose of entertainment. The use of these games or services for business or commercial purposes is strictly prohibited."
    Means that YOU aren't allowed to use it for business. That would mean they would say they can't even sell rubies. Which is also implied by "used". GGS offers the game and you are only allowed to use it for entertainment purposes.



    Of course this maybe another reason for their planned joining of servers, due to said complications, one of which would have to be the UK server as it exits the EU.
    All players are aware how the ToC's have been used by GGE to suit their purpose, depending on the subject, and I seriously doubt it will ever change, so its another case of if a player is not happy then he moves on.

    And this shows again how you didn't read the article. It doesn't matter what the server name is, it is important which country YOU are from. So if you are from the UK and play on a Brazil server, you could still sue them in UK courts, would have to use German law tho.
    A merge wouldn't change that. Besides, the servers are hosted in Germany anyway, so it's just the name of the server...
  • Druids (GB1)Druids (GB1) GB1 Posts: 257
    I give up...Interpret it as you want, Its a waste of an argument anyway as nothing would be done no matter who was right. Your argument is typical of a GGE survey, you can interpret it anyway you like and twist the answer either way, as long as it suits you.
     
    The basic advertising law of any country is based on the country receiving the adverts, as the consumers. You try and send some of your certain advertising into Muslim Country's, or a country sending advertising about abortion's in Germany, which I think is still sensitive(may be wrong), and you see how quick that would be banned and shut down. Yes it is down to the subject, but an ad is an ad.

    Ruby sales are part of the GGE gameplay, and is not relevant to what I think is being inferred to as being 3rd party businesses and commercial.(nice try)

     However You could keep your thoughts to yourself rather than thinking that you are talking for the majority, when in fact you are talking purely to read your own word...Have fun or not, whichever.

    ps..The argument will sooner or later be decided anyway by the pitter, patter of feet, either arriving or leaving, once GGE make any changes they are proposing.
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