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New wheel is ruining the game.
aAlexe (US1)
US1 Posts: 308
Sorry this is all over the place, i'm just angry.
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I'm writing this post in regards to the introduction of the new wheel.
So as many believe the wheel is random, and both jackpots are semi-determined by the timing of your stopping, and by which card you decide. However this is not the case, and every spin is pre determined, no matter when you stop the wheel, or which jackpot card you pick.
Evidence:
As you can see in the video, I won a jackpot prize, but before picking which card. It still gave me the notification I have won equipment on the equipment icon, and as it was full, it *has to be* won from an event, and you didn't see a pop up for me earning equipment, did you?
Lie:
I would like this issue address publicly on this forum thread. I have spent $300AUD on this event, while I am playing on complete luck. I don't even get to try and pick the cards, they are chosen for myself.
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Venom
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Venom @ Australia - War Marshal for Shadow Lords!!
Best player on the test server
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You want to know what is going on at support? Oh, yeah. Send an email to xyzxyz and then have them tell you an email address to ask for a phone number so you can get an address for international mail to Mars. Once Elon Musk finally lands on Mars they'll tell you where to go in the Andromeda Galaxy to ask extraterrestrial intelligence what GGE support is truly doing because nobody on Earth knows what they do. The logic here is that we can't ever know what they do because they don't do anything! - dliu3
I even wonder if it's allowed to portrait it as a 1/3 chance to get the rubies while it's predetermined what you will get as soon you spin the wheel.
That also means that it doesn't matter which of the 3 cards you pick, so don't get too mad at yourself for repeatedly picking the "wrong" card, as there is no right or wrong card.
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In hibernation nov2019-now
THIS isn't a lie:
Read it carefully. You DO win one of the three jackpot prizes for your current prize level. It doesn't say that you will win the ONE YOU PICK out of three jackpot prizes for your level.
Purposely misleading? Underhanded? Slimy? YES. A lie? No. Just ask their lawyers…...
Sleep well.
I'll most likely kill you in the morning.
Ive noticed when I was in the jackpot screen, I'd see the +185 wall troops and I'd click on the cards, but if I got it, it wasn't the +185 it would be like the +158 food instead. But before the cards flipped over to be picked I'd see the wall troops in there. But after its just a food production when there was only 1 or none at all. So when I saw 2 food production when there is one its like huh wtf
The win 1/3 jackpot prizes isn't a lie, it's clever wording, as soon as you spin the wheel the game decides what you are going to get, even if you spin jackpot. They show you 3 of the things you can win, you only win 1 of them, it's just a sneak peak at the prize you will win.
The wording is meant to make you believe that it's a 1/3 chance, which is not the case but you do get 1 out of the 3, so it's not a lie.
I guess the fact GGE chooses not to really shows their real intentions, ie the game is deliberatly designed to be misleading it would be the most simple thing in the world for them to publish the overall odds of winning all the prizes on the new wheel but they choose not to, you really have to ask yourself why.
GGE is walking a very fine line here, the only reason it gets away with doing any of this stuff is that items cannot be bought / sold or exchanged for items of monetary value. If they could be directly sold or exchanged then they would need a gambling licence and would be directly regulated.
However whilst Items cannot be directly sold or exchanged, accounts containing all those items can be sold, and are sold regularly for real money. GGE know this and even facilitate this, by doing things like changing the registered owners details for example the Registered E Mail address. They also change the name of the account. When you change an account E mail address from Phils [email protected] to Freds [email protected] its gonna be pretty hard to argue you dont know the ownership has changed hands, add into the mix that the account name has changed from Phil to Fred, add into the mix the payments are actually now coming from Fred not Phil. And you are going to struggle to claim you didnt know ownership had changed.
GGE's position of course is that We dont allow the selling of accounts its against our TOS and if we find anyone who has done this we will ban the account. Which of course we all know is total rubbish. There is a very active "black market" for the transfer of accounts, and in my personal opinion it would be very very difficult for GGE to argue that an account that a player has spent many many thousands of pounds on gaining very very rare items on, giving that account very large in game advantages does not have a commercial value. Of course it has commercial value thats how GGE make their money!!
Given that its not such a stretch to show an account has a commercial value, given its not such a stretch to be able to show and prove that there is a market for these types of transaction. Given as described above GGE makes it easy to change key details on an accounts registration. And that GGE simply do not enforce its TOS.
Then its really not such a stretch to say that items "won" on this type of event have a commercial vale and that they can be readily transferred for cash. I agree not directly but indirectly.....
I think that the law is finally wising up to the fact that the cover all phrase that virtual currency has no moneyetry value is a nonsense. The very fact people are prepared to pay real cash for virtual items should be enough to determine it has a real world value. And sooner or later the law will catch up. Unfortuantly the law is dominated by a generation of people that simply do not understand the whole concept of these kinds of transactions, and do not understand virtual in game items any more than it really understand the gaming industry.
But this is not a cottage industry, its a huge multi billion pound industry. And sooner or later, probably sooner, regulators and people in positions of power are going to realise that the TOS designed by almost all game providers are a sham, they go against every consumer rights law that has ever been written, and that the principle that they rely on, that allow them to get around current laws are also a sham. And this industry will be subject to the same laws that any other industry selling things to the public are subject to.
Many forward thinking providers I think are wising up to this reality and are becomeing much much more transparent probably so they are not caught out when the laws do actually catch up, but also I guess, and i like to think they recognise their social responsibility, and their moral responsibility. They recognise these games are played by children, and by vunrable people, and that they have a social an moral responsibilty to protect these people and the best way of doing this is to be as transparent as possible.
GGE unfortunatly it seems are on a very different path.
So the only real question comes is if selling an account as a whole for money, or other items of value counts as being able to transfer in game items for money or other items of value. Whilst its not a direct transfer, it certainly is an indirect transfer. And the fact remains if an individual wants to they can gain items playing on the wheel using the proceeds from gambling, they can then sell this account on for financial proceeds. Thus selling on the items gain by gambling.
My argument would be that if the items that can be gained by gambling ie on the new wheel can be sold directly or indirectly ie these items can be sold along with account they are locked to, then GGE would be subject to a UK gambling licience, and as such regulated strictly by the laws governing this.
The UK gambling commission is pretty clear on this.
The UK gambling commission is also pretty clear that it does not accept the video games industry's argument that items are not intended to be traded or swapped between players, it also does not accept that just becasue it is not allowed in the TOS does not mean it does not happen, it also does not accept the argument of the video game industry that it is an occational issue.
See 3.6 & 7 below of the UK gamings findings.
3.6 In spite of the policy and intent to avoid in-game items attaining a real world value, the video game industry has acknowledged that users of their game networks are ‘occasionally’ exploiting their open nature to offer players opportunities to buy and sell ingame items.
3.7 Based on open source research, the volume, variety and sophistication of websites advertising opportunities to exchange in-game items for cash, indicates that to term such circumvention of regulation as ‘occasional’ risks understating the extent of this issue.
in summary (taken from the UK gaming comission
3.8 In our view, the ability to convert in-game items into cash, or to trade them (for other items of value), means they attain a real world value and become articles of money or money’s worth. Where facilities for gambling are offered using such items, a licence is required in exactly the same manner as would be expected in circumstances where somebody uses or receives casino chips as a method of payment for gambling, which can later be exchanged for cash.
My contention is that becasue items can be converted into cash upon sale of the account they are locked to, and that as per the gaming comissions own findings that this is NOT an occational problem. That GGE should be subject to a UK gaming licience and be regulated as such.