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Discussion Thread: March 2019 Update Notes

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  • Brian888 (US1)Brian888 (US1) US1 Posts: 183
    You guys are doong butterfly wings giving tye same events again amd again and again until GGE becomes an abondoned barren land
    looks like GGE warned me lol.
    Thanks Brian888, yes you were warned as have a lot of other forum users recently. There is zero tolerance of offensive language on the forum and the forum team will be enforcing it. 
    okay lets considr that u warned at level 2 for using offensive language
    and then what is this level 2 warning about??
    I think @GGE or @GGS should concentrate more on solving bugs.
    Thankyou.
  • BIGTtheMULLER (INT1)BIGTtheMULLER (INT1) INT1 Posts: 2,246
    edited 02.04.2019
    I wish they put more effort into shell accounts multi players and VPN  , i be the happiest player on the map , i dont have a problem with ruby whales i do with Ruby VPN 

    BIGTtheMULLER @ WWW 1
  • Crom CruachCrom Cruach Community Manager Posts: 1,362
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
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  • Brian888 (US1)Brian888 (US1) US1 Posts: 183
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
    It is the discussion on the update notes now .
    And "We Donot like it and We want you guys to make somechanges to it ".
  • Crom CruachCrom Cruach Community Manager Posts: 1,362
    edited 04.04.2019
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
    It is the discussion on the update notes now .
    And "We Donot like it and We want you guys to make somechanges to it ".
    @Brian888 (US1) Please consider what you just said. Now my job is to take what is said here and feed that into the deign and development system. So I go to the designers and I say "The players do not like it and they want you to make some changes to it". They will smile politely and go back to work. I can go to the developers and the same will happen. I can go to anyone here and the same will happen. If I am not giving quality feedback there will be no changes or alterations made. How can I give this quality feedback, well I have to receive it. The only people I can receive it from are the players here and on our other platforms.
    Simply criticising something is totally fine but all it is doing is generating noise rather than signal. The more noise we have the harder it is to get the signal. If you want to make that signal loud and clear please come up with reasonable solutions or suggestions. The more people here focused on discussing what could make the game better rather than saying what makes it poor the more signal we generate and in the turn the enables me to give quality feedback. 
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  • Zenzer (GB1)Zenzer (GB1) GB1 Posts: 2,713
    edited 04.04.2019
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
    It is the discussion on the update notes now .
    And "We Donot like it and We want you guys to make somechanges to it ".
    @Brian888 (US1) Please consider what you just said. Now my job is to take what is said here and feed that into the deign and development system. So I go to the designers and I say "The players do not like it and they want you to make some changes to it". They will smile politely and go back to work. I can go to the developers and the same will happen. I can go to anyone here and the same will happen. If I am not giving quality feedback there will be no changes or alterations made. How can I give this quality feedback, well I have to receive it. The only people I can receive it from are the players here and on our other platforms.
    Simply criticising something is totally fine but all it is doing is generating noise rather than signal. The more noise we have the harder it is to get the signal. If you want to make that signal loud and clear please come up with reasonable solutions or suggestions. The more people here focused on discussing what could make the game better rather than saying what makes it poor the more signal we generate and in the turn the enables me to give quality feedback. 

    But for the players to give good feedback and not generate more "noise" then the developers of the game will also have to take action and make sure the players feedback are being heard and taken into consideration. 

    I don't feel that the community is being taken seriously enough. A third wheel is what we are. We are disconnected from the development of the game rather than being a part of it. 

    I've seen plenty of uproars here in the community about various of larger things, did the developers ever address it? Well, sometimes... But most of the times they didn't and just stayed silent without moving an inch. 

    Incorporate more of the players feedback and ideas into the updates you make for the game and show us that it's actually worth investing time into generating new ideas and good quality feedback. 


    No, i don't play on GB1. 


  • Brian888 (US1)Brian888 (US1) US1 Posts: 183
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
    It is the discussion on the update notes now .
    And "We Donot like it and We want you guys to make somechanges to it ".
    @Brian888 (US1) Please consider what you just said. Now my job is to take what is said here and feed that into the deign and development system. So I go to the designers and I say "The players do not like it and they want you to make some changes to it". They will smile politely and go back to work. I can go to the developers and the same will happen. I can go to anyone here and the same will happen. If I am not giving quality feedback there will be no changes or alterations made. How can I give this quality feedback, well I have to receive it. The only people I can receive it from are the players here and on our other platforms.
    Simply criticising something is totally fine but all it is doing is generating noise rather than signal. The more noise we have the harder it is to get the signal. If you want to make that signal loud and clear please come up with reasonable solutions or suggestions. The more people here focused on discussing what could make the game better rather than saying what makes it poor the more signal we generate and in the turn the enables me to give quality feedback. 
    Thankyou for replying crom:) I think i am making noise but thee are other players too who have been giving nice feedback to the developers and suggestions too what has happend then?? nothing...has changed.

    I said "We want you "Here by YOU means GGS but not the moderators  bit of misunderstanding

    Well i think that it is the responsibility of the developers to come and take participate in the FORUMS(instead of going through moderators) so that they will have more understadimg of the problems in game Or are they too afraid to handle the TRUTH?? It is up to them.
  • Wasso (INT3)Wasso (INT3) INT3 Posts: 3,332
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
    It is the discussion on the update notes now .
    And "We Donot like it and We want you guys to make somechanges to it ".
    @Brian888 (US1) Please consider what you just said. Now my job is to take what is said here and feed that into the deign and development system. So I go to the designers and I say "The players do not like it and they want you to make some changes to it". They will smile politely and go back to work. I can go to the developers and the same will happen. I can go to anyone here and the same will happen. If I am not giving quality feedback there will be no changes or alterations made. How can I give this quality feedback, well I have to receive it. The only people I can receive it from are the players here and on our other platforms.
    Simply criticising something is totally fine but all it is doing is generating noise rather than signal. The more noise we have the harder it is to get the signal. If you want to make that signal loud and clear please come up with reasonable solutions or suggestions. The more people here focused on discussing what could make the game better rather than saying what makes it poor the more signal we generate and in the turn the enables me to give quality feedback. 
    Thankyou for replying crom:) I think i am making noise but thee are other players too who have been giving nice feedback to the developers and suggestions too what has happend then?? nothing...has changed.

    I said "We want you "Here by YOU means GGS but not the moderators  bit of misunderstanding

    Well i think that it is the responsibility of the developers to come and take participate in the FORUMS(instead of going through moderators) so that they will have more understadimg of the problems in game Or are they too afraid to handle the TRUTH?? It is up to them.
    Disagree.  I DON'T want the Developers on here.  I want them WORKING.  I applaud Crom for his statements.  We DO make a lot of noise here.  We also DO make suggestions.  The reality is, the other Forums would get feedback that we never got.  Now that we have a CM again, let's give him more than 18 days to provide us the feedback and them our suggestions.

    Is it FAIR that we have been making suggestions for YEARS that have resulted in Crickets Chirping???? No.  But, can't blame Crom for that.  Let's start again, and focus on the "signal" that he can bring to them. 




    Of course, we can continue to make all the NOISE we want as well...………..
    Good night.
    Sleep well.
    I'll most likely kill you in the morning.




  • BM FujiwaraBM Fujiwara Posts: 575
    As someone who collects and feeds back as much of the content as possible from the forums, I'd like to echo the recent sentiments. Even if there is a feeling that the feedback that has gone into the system has disappeared into a black hole and not improved features and events, there is at least the ability for us to make sure ideas and improvements are suggested from the players.

    If all we have is "don't like it, it sucks and so do you", there's literally nothing to feed back and no hope of putting genuinely constructive improvements to the designers and developers, which means you're implicitly giving them free reign to do exactly what you're accusing them of doing.

    Making sure the signal to noise ratio is as good as possible in these threads is the best opportunity to push the game's development in the direction you'd rather see it take, even if it's frustrating whenever you feel that hasn't been happening in the past.
    fujiwara @ en-1
    fujiwara @ us-1

  • Philt123 (GB1)Philt123 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,839
    edited 05.04.2019
    I agree constructive feedback is the way to go, but it has to work both ways.

    When you get the game operator making promises it doesnt follow through on, its not good, and destroys the trust between the vendor / customer.

    When you get the game operator listening like when the origional Shapeshifter cast was released, saying oh yes sorry it is a bit strong we will remove it.  When the game operator comes back a couple of months later and releases pretty much the exact same cast but now its ruby only.  What does that tell you?  It tells you it doesnt care about balance only ruby. And it certainly doesnt care about its customers.

    You cant have a game operator writing very strict rules about what you can and cant do in the game, and on the one hand saying publically yes they are the rules all players must abide by them, and in private saying,  you know what its too much like hard work enforcing some of the rules lets just ignore the players who are breaking them, especially when it fundimentally destroys the balance of the game.

    Willingness to spend time and effort being constructive is only half of the equation, willingness to listen and take on board the feedback gained from players with collectivly thousands of years worth of game experience is the other half of the equation.

    I am not nieve or stupid enough to not understand that GGS has a different agenda to the players, and to a degree they will always pull in different directions, however a large part of any game design has to be that you make something that is fun, engaging, and inclusive, that allows players of all levels / activity / spend.  to play at their own level and is still rewarding for them.  The problem is when you place income generation as the first, second and third most important priority to your development team, then you do it at the cost of  many of the elements that keep the majority of players coming back.

    In the dim and distant past the ruby "grabbing" used to be more subtle, it was more like someone occasionally whispering in your ear, you know you could do that a little quicker if you spend a few rubies, now its like someone screaming in your face you will never get anywhere in this game unless you open your wallet, at maximum volume 24/7.

    The balance is gone.

    You cant have a game operator that builds a game around the importance of rubies and then sells rubies to one player at 500% cheaper than it does another above all else its down right disrespectful.  How on earth do you expect the player to react who is paying full price for rubies, when he finds out the guy who has beaten him to the last 5 first place event rewards is paying 500% less then him for the same thing?  Ask yourself how would you feel if you were the guy paying 500% more?  would you continue spending 500% more?  What if when you asked GGE they said well its regional pricing the guys in some countries are not as rich as you and cannot afford to pay the same prices, how do you know?  I dont remember being means tested to what i can or cannot afford? All i will say is anyone who spends significant amounts of money on a game is not improverished that much is for sure!!  So your argument just doesnt stack up.  Firstly by the very nature of discounting you de value your own product.  Then how you feel if you mentioned this at work to your boss, and he laughed at you and said you are an idiot you dont pay full price for that game do you? use this bit of software click on one of these countries and get cheap rubies, I have been doing it for years I just assumed everyone was doing it.  GGE know all about it and have never stopped it so they obviously not bothered, also if you ever want to use an account I got loads, I have them in my friends names, my kids names, even my dogs name.  just use the same bit of software, GGE arnt bothered i have been doing it for years, .   No one just plays 1 account anymore and no one pays full price anymore.  What would you do?  What if you wrote to GGE saying this is ludicrus is so unfair, and they basically said tough suck it up we are not going to do anything as our teams are on it we got it under control.  If its under control, how come by boss been playing 20 accounts for the last 6 years and buying rubies for a fraction of the cost on all these accounts for the last 6 years, and nothing has been done ?


    So by all means ask for constructive feedback, ask your players to spend their time and effort giving ideas and feedback in a cohesive and professional way.   But please give us the courtesy of ensuring that, that time and effort is not wasted, as trust me there is only so many times you can be ignored before you think, I am simply wasting my time.  And most of all treat your customer with the respect they deserve.


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  • I started Playing this game when homeless and spending the days at the public library - it helped me focus and got me through some very dark days !

    the game was nice and engaging and seemed to be being written by people actually playing the game - that focus seems to have drifted away and it seems to be being developed by accountants at present - there a lot of simple fixes that can be done to make it more enjoyable and engaging again - like the outers it WAS a breath of fresh air which currently has been tainted .

    to be positive i'm quite neutral about the update notes as well as the current batch of commanders - my existing sets are better - the wheel of fortune is an example of shortsightedness - spin cost increased but rewards from events no longer giving enough for an extra spin or 2 - i look at the rewards and do a cost comparison and it's still not worth the time and effort to try for the rewards - you can buy the limes and tails for a lot less in their respective shops !

    there were a lot of suggestions which are probably still valid from several years ago but the threads are now lost in the mists of time THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO is to tell the developers not to release anything new until all the bugs have been sorted - less bugs makes the game better !

    P.S. adding equipment that does the same thing over again just fills the inventory with more and more pixels - this is one of the issues slowing down game performance !
    dandelion1958 @ en 1

    Am still playing 8 years on ! - hi lvl 800 on new yrs eve (2017/18) !

    Leading the Targaryens - PS interested in joining - PM any officer in Game :-)
    taking a more relaxed role:-)
    PS in top200 on uk 1 never botted or used a VPN - that's why it took 5 yrs to get to leg 800
  • ciscous (IT1)ciscous (IT1) IT1 Posts: 4,166
    edited 05.04.2019
    As someone who collects and feeds back as much of the content as possible from the forums, I'd like to echo the recent sentiments. Even if there is a feeling that the feedback that has gone into the system has disappeared into a black hole and not improved features and events, there is at least the ability for us to make sure ideas and improvements are suggested from the players.

    If all we have is "don't like it, it sucks and so do you", there's literally nothing to feed back and no hope of putting genuinely constructive improvements to the designers and developers, which means you're implicitly giving them free reign to do exactly what you're accusing them of doing.

    Making sure the signal to noise ratio is as good as possible in these threads is the best opportunity to push the game's development in the direction you'd rather see it take, even if it's frustrating whenever you feel that hasn't been happening in the past.
    GGS don't listen... 99% of constructive feedback wasn't satisfied, in the last 2-3 years only a word for GGS: rubies!
    Ruins the game with new events like outhers realms and don't want restyle older like royal capital, island, underground etc..
    no valid pvp, no balance, no simple things only complex, intricate

    Last 2 year with many broken promises, only small part (very small) satisfied

  • Brian888 (US1)Brian888 (US1) US1 Posts: 183
    As someone who collects and feeds back as much of the content as possible from the forums, I'd like to echo the recent sentiments. Even if there is a feeling that the feedback that has gone into the system has disappeared into a black hole and not improved features and events, there is at least the ability for us to make sure ideas and improvements are suggested from the players.

    If all we have is "don't like it, it sucks and so do you", there's literally nothing to feed back and no hope of putting genuinely constructive improvements to the designers and developers, which means you're implicitly giving them free reign to do exactly what you're accusing them of doing.

    Making sure the signal to noise ratio is as good as possible in these threads is the best opportunity to push the game's development in the direction you'd rather see it take, even if it's frustrating whenever you feel that hasn't been happening in the past.
    GGS don't listen... 99% of constructive feedback wasn't satisfied, in the last 2-3 years only a word for GGS: rubies!
    Ruins the game with new events like outhers realms and don't want restyle older like royal capital, island, underground etc..
    no valid pvp, no balance, no simple things only complex, intricate
    exactly what i was saying .
  • Wasso (INT3)Wasso (INT3) INT3 Posts: 3,332
    Then how you feel if you mentioned this at work to your boss, and he laughed at you and said you are an idiot ………..., how come by boss been playing 20 accounts for the last 6 years and buying rubies for a fraction of the cost on all these accounts for the last 6 years, and nothing has been done ?


    First of all, WHERE do you WORK????   LOL!

    For the 99% of us, whining to our BOSS about an on-line game AT WORK would get a different "you are an idiot" speech and a walk out the door.

    Secondly, now you are trying to get your BOSS booted from the game for Multi-Accounting and VPN'ing????





    I sense a "pink slip" in your future...…….
    Good night.
    Sleep well.
    I'll most likely kill you in the morning.




  • Philt123 (GB1)Philt123 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,839
    Lol who is the idiot?

    The above was an example (not real) it was figurative you could substitute Boss for anything ie, Mate, brother, sister, aunt uncle, girlfriend, boyfriend,  bloke u met at the pub, practically anythign u wanted!!!
    Philt123 @ en 1
  • @Philt123 (GB1) I seem to remember a similar post of your in relation to rubies and loyalty offers. Probably near 2 years ago. It just wont change. If your spending your spending - If your not - you get the offers. 
    Once you take away online strategy game and call it an online casino in which you play a strategy game you'll soon see similarities in how they base their loyalty program.
    Thats exactly why an operator can build a game around the importance of rubies and offer non-rubies/low ruby spenders better offers. 

    The forum for feedback is 99% useless. That is shown by the way they now use 'Moderators' 

    They want feedback for click scores. Not to actually listen. 
    Yeah you may bring up a valid point that may be looked into it at some point by some ne.
    But anyone getting someone to do something for 'free' and then expecting that they actually care. Well ...

    ~Ultra
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    Everything I say is strictly personal opinion and not in relation to my alliance or affiliates.

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  • Wasso (INT3)Wasso (INT3) INT3 Posts: 3,332
    Lol who is the idiot?

    The above was an example (not real) it was figurative you could substitute Boss for anything ie, Mate, brother, sister, aunt uncle, girlfriend, boyfriend,  bloke u met at the pub, practically anythign u wanted!!!
    Not an idiot, just perhaps not completely sober at the time...….. ;)
    Good night.
    Sleep well.
    I'll most likely kill you in the morning.




  • ciscous (IT1)ciscous (IT1) IT1 Posts: 4,166
    edited 16.04.2019
    Shapeshifter castellan.... with the collector's event Hive Mind bonus against enemy castle lords DON'T work?
    Why??? Is PNG or lords?? Or it's a bug?

  • vizard (ES1)vizard (ES1) ES1 Posts: 1,387
    Lets keep the thread on topic please, I discussed the warnings and what will happen going forward and so we can get back to discussing the update notes now. 
    It is the discussion on the update notes now .
    And "We Donot like it and We want you guys to make somechanges to it ".
    @Brian888 (US1) Please consider what you just said. Now my job is to take what is said here and feed that into the deign and development system. So I go to the designers and I say "The players do not like it and they want you to make some changes to it". They will smile politely and go back to work. I can go to the developers and the same will happen. I can go to anyone here and the same will happen. If I am not giving quality feedback there will be no changes or alterations made. How can I give this quality feedback, well I have to receive it. The only people I can receive it from are the players here and on our other platforms.
    Simply criticising something is totally fine but all it is doing is generating noise rather than signal. The more noise we have the harder it is to get the signal. If you want to make that signal loud and clear please come up with reasonable solutions or suggestions. The more people here focused on discussing what could make the game better rather than saying what makes it poor the more signal we generate and in the turn the enables me to give quality feedback. 
    quality feedback??

    Lo pasado ha huido, lo que esperas está ausente, pero el presente es tuyo.
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