RELIC GREENHOUSE TOKENS

UD1 (INT1) · 04.01.2019

Hello

Just built my first Relic Greenhouse and reached level 15. But if it is only possible to get the tokens through the Outer Realms then count me out , Have not got the will or time to waste on Outer Realms just to get tokens. and being in the midst of dumbasses that have no clue and must of spent crazy money just for a few more tokens.

So i do hope there is another way to get these tokens. i live in hope

PJH_ (GB1) · 04.01.2019

Thanks BigT, that sounds as if the upgrade costs in the November announcement are correct - even if there was the 1000% increase in the build token cost between putting in game and now the tokens are available

Can you also confirm if base food production items can be added to it?

UD1 (INT1) · 04.01.2019

yes it can

PJH_ (GB1) · 04.01.2019

Thank you.

willr (NL1) · 04.01.2019

well you at least can build a greenhouse i was in the top 10 k of outer realm and got my tokens but for some reason i cannot build the greenhouse it states every time i try that i dont have the things needed to build it , but according to my suppy i have , this really frustrates me because i only took part in thr outer realms to get the tokens

eterno06 (INT1) · 04.01.2019

willr (NL1) said:

well you at least can build a greenhouse i was in the top 10 k of outer realm and got my tokens but for some reason i cannot build the greenhouse it states every time i try that i dont have the things needed to build it , but according to my suppy i have , this really frustrates me because i only took part in thr outer realms to get the tokens

Top 10k in Outer Realm does not give enough tokens to build the green house, (120 needed)
Top 5k does.

David Noble (US1) · 05.01.2019

BIGTtheMULLER (INT1) said:

Hello

Just built my first Relic Greenhouse and reached level 15. But if it is only possible to get the tokens through the Outer Realms then count me out , Have not got the will or time to waste on Outer Realms just to get tokens. and being in the midst of dumbasses that have no clue and must of spent crazy money just for a few more tokens.

So i do hope there is another way to get these tokens. i live in hope

Kingdom's League I think is also supposed to reward tokens as well which are based on the Great Empire if I am not mistaken on the main server instead of Outer Realms. As for Outer Realms if you want to do really well then spend lots of money on the event combined with activity in the event as well in addition to leveling up, getting lots of time skips, and leveling up buildings, but you can still get a decent amount of tokens from the event if you can somehow manage to get top 5k or better like what eterno06 pointed out.

PJH_ (GB1) · 05.01.2019

Good marketing tactic though...

long tease to implement, inflate resource cost, make tokens initially quite hard and costly to get hold of but enough so early adopters can trail them and their benefits...... (Naturally these will be players who are competitive so will drive the link to the desirability of these new builds)

Wonder what will come to a Ruby shop near you, maybe mid year????

David Noble (US1) · 05.01.2019

PJH_ (GB1) said:

Good marketing tactic though...

long tease to implement, inflate resource cost, make tokens initially quite hard and costly to get hold of but enough so early adopters can trail them and their benefits...... (Naturally these will be players who are competitive so will drive the link to the desirability of these new builds)

Wonder what will come to a Ruby shop near you, maybe mid year????

Some players already have a level 30 granary with level 14 base equipped as well. A player needs to get enough tokens as well so that way the Relic Greenhouse supplies more food than even a level 30 granary at 100% with level 14 base food which for me it was not until reaching level 12. Especially since the building decoration takes up two spaces instead of only one. Also, the building automatically starts off at 100% from the start even if it supplies less food than a level 30 granary with level 14 base food at level 1.

PJH_ (GB1) · 06.01.2019

David Noble (US1) said:

....... Also, the building automatically starts off at 100% from the start even if it supplies less food than a level 30 granary with level 14 base food at level 1.

That's very useful to know, thanks.
but just to check... the rest of the granaries "shuffle" down the order so its the last 'marginal' (e.g. 42%) one that loses a further level so the actual total loss isn't that huge, surely?

David Noble (US1) · 06.01.2019

PJH_ (GB1) said:

David Noble (US1) said:

....... Also, the building automatically starts off at 100% from the start even if it supplies less food than a level 30 granary with level 14 base food at level 1.

That's very useful to know, thanks.
but just to check... the rest of the granaries "shuffle" down the order so its the last 'marginal' (e.g. 42%) one that loses a further level so the actual total loss isn't that huge, surely?

Level 1 starts off at 196, but a level 30 granary with level 14 base is 277. That is a big difference in food which is about 81! My food supply did go up a lot when I leveled up the building to level 12 which turned out to be 281 food at that level, but my food supply actually dropped significantly when I started off at level 1 to replace some iron ore buildings. The relic greenhouse at least in my opinion is not really all that useful until you get it to reach at least level 11 or 12. Also, my lowest percentage of food from the granaries turned from 10% into 7% and my lowest percentage building with a level 14 base food turned from 42% into 31% when I built the relic greenhouse. The bottom line is that since it automatically starts at 100% the relic greenhouse food supply at least in my opinion needs to be higher than a level 30 granary with a level 14 base build item. Also, the public order, very high might points, and extra food storage make the relic greenhouse more important as well to make up for using two spaces instead of only one space like the granary. Perhaps in the future GGS might also add other things that cost special tokens as well besides only just the relic greenhouse.

PJH_ (GB1) · 07.01.2019

David Noble (US1)

not sure i grasp that.....
I guess I can see the logic that "new" should be better than "old"
e.g. Highest lvl farm produces 88 food production while a base granary produces 91, so is an improvement - right?

but...
Highest lvl granary produces 178 food production while a base greenhouse produces 196, so is also a similar improvement?

I can see there is a coin cost moving the build items around to be on the new "prime producers" to maintain the best output AND the physical foot print is an issue but I'm still not grasping where the gross food production penalty is coming from?

Unless a new bug introduced.... but heh, that's never, ever happened before so got to be really unlikely

David Noble (US1) · 07.01.2019

PJH_ (GB1) said:

David Noble (US1)

not sure i grasp that.....
I guess I can see the logic that "new" should be better than "old"
e.g. Highest lvl farm produces 88 food production while a base granary produces 91, so is an improvement - right?

but...
Highest lvl granary produces 178 food production while a base greenhouse produces 196, so is also a similar improvement?

I can see there is a coin cost moving the build items around to be on the new "prime producers" to maintain the best output AND the physical foot print is an issue but I'm still not grasping where the gross food production penalty is coming from?

Unless a new bug introduced.... but heh, that's never, ever happened before so got to be really unlikely

You forgot about the level 14 base food. When you do the math 277-178=99 which is from a level 14 base food. It is not an improvement when you combine the 178 and 99 base for together which adds up to 277. Also, it is not too hard to get level 14 base food build items either. Just hit a bunch of shapeshifter totems on full hardcore mode with 32 troops and you will eventually get some of them without necessarily having to spend any rubies on charm/blood point boosters. As for Relic Greenhouse you can not equip a build item on it either which is contrary to the granary.

PJH_ (GB1) · 07.01.2019

Quite a few times people have shown build items embedded on the relic greenhouse though..... you sure you can't add them?

so apples with apples.... the base 14 (as you say, not really difficult to get) goes on the greenhouse and (assuming you don't have base 14 on everything) then you shuffle the rest of the build items for max benefit...

dandelion1958 (GB1) · 07.01.2019

@BIGTtheMULLER (INT1) i got in top 5k of outers without buying rubies - the key is to push at the start and build a lot of cheep po items in each castle or op - i was building pillories like mad - as each one gives 1 MP - then once i got into top 5k overall was just a case of logging daily and keeping up with the builds - plus looting the inactives and robbers !

David Noble (US1) · 07.01.2019

PJH_ (GB1) said:

Quite a few times people have shown build items embedded on the relic greenhouse though..... you sure you can't add them?

so apples with apples.... the base 14 (as you say, not really difficult to get) goes on the greenhouse and (assuming you don't have base 14 on everything) then you shuffle the rest of the build items for max benefit...

Your right. They can be embedded as well and I had to double check. So, 196+99=295 food and 284+99=383 food. That is a huge boost in food supply and especially at level 12. However, my point remains that it is twice as big as a granary as well in size. And so really at level 1 the building has 18 more base food when you factor in level 14, but it also takes up an extra space as well. But, if you can level it up at least a few times that helps make up for that extra space like reaching level 5 or better for example.

Peter John (US1) · 07.01.2019

11/10 agree with OP. Outer Realm BASICALLY forcing us to play on the 2nd server. Not everyone has time (or money) to play on multiple server. The relic greenhouse is SIGNIFICANT addition to the game, anybody has several of this in main, it will basically make his account invisible from souls events. No ONE will be able to beat castle holding 10k+ def.

blueninja691 (US1) · 10.01.2019

David Noble (US1) said:

PJH_ (GB1) said:

Quite a few times people have shown build items embedded on the relic greenhouse though..... you sure you can't add them?

so apples with apples.... the base 14 (as you say, not really difficult to get) goes on the greenhouse and (assuming you don't have base 14 on everything) then you shuffle the rest of the build items for max benefit...

Your right. They can be embedded as well and I had to double check. So, 196+99=295 food and 284+99=383 food. That is a huge boost in food supply and especially at level 12. However, my point remains that it is twice as big as a granary as well in size. And so really at level 1 the building has 18 more base food when you factor in level 14, but it also takes up an extra space as well. But, if you can level it up at least a few times that helps make up for that extra space like reaching level 5 or better for example.

While it may take up two slots instead of the one that a granary may take it's still an overpowered building. If leveled up enough it can supply you with public order and extra food storage which is very nice indeed. That in my humble opinion totally makes up for everything.

blueninja691 (US1) · 10.01.2019

Peter John (US1) said:

11/10 agree with OP. Outer Realm BASICALLY forcing us to play on the 2nd server. Not everyone has time (or money) to play on multiple server. The relic greenhouse is SIGNIFICANT addition to the game, anybody has several of this in main, it will basically make his account invisible from souls events. No ONE will be able to beat castle holding 10k+ def.

Oh god I just noticed that its possible to build more than one thats just ridiciulous. I'm betting that it's to be changed soon enough. But it can also be a compromise because the more you have the less public order you have assuming all other decorations in the chosen castle average more public order than it provides, and the more you build the less production too. Plus there's also the limit to how many granaries or greenhouses would be efficient enough productionwise., This is all unless you can increase it in the fusion forge which I dont know because level eleven doesn't provide any public order yet.

David Noble (US1) · 10.01.2019

blueninja691 (US1) said:

Peter John (US1) said:

11/10 agree with OP. Outer Realm BASICALLY forcing us to play on the 2nd server. Not everyone has time (or money) to play on multiple server. The relic greenhouse is SIGNIFICANT addition to the game, anybody has several of this in main, it will basically make his account invisible from souls events. No ONE will be able to beat castle holding 10k+ def.

Oh god I just noticed that its possible to build more than one thats just ridiciulous. I'm betting that it's to be changed soon enough. But it can also be a compromise because the more you have the less public order you have assuming all other decorations in the chosen castle average more public order than it provides, and the more you build the less production too. Plus there's also the limit to how many granaries or greenhouses would be efficient enough productionwise., This is all unless you can increase it in the fusion forge which I dont know because level eleven doesn't provide any public order yet.

I had just noticed that you can build more than one Relic Greenhouse per main castle and per outpost, but yes in general how effective the Relic Greenhouse is may be limited, because of you also needing to factor in public order as well which you can not even get that until level 16 which even then then is limited to 300 po and takes up an extra space in comparison to the granary. You also can not go above that po limit currently and has also productivity percentage limitations as well on top of that.

blueninja691 (US1) said:

While it may take up two slots instead of the one that a granary may take it's still an overpowered building. If leveled up enough it can supply you with public order and extra food storage which is very nice indeed. That in my humble opinion totally makes up for everything.

I had already mentioned the public order and extra food storage earlier from another comment, but my point is that if you can level the building decoration up at least a few times because of the fact you can also use a base food build item on the building it helps makes up for the extra space besides the might points even before you get the building to reach level 11 or better. Public order and extra food storage are decent and especially nice for extra bonuses to add on top of a huge boost in food supply, but with a base food build item added as well the building decoration is decent even before food storage and public order are added to it. (A decoration because of the high po, but I doubt that you will be able to use the "Fusion Forge" on something that is also a building even at level 16.)

Mavarick (US1) · 10.10.2020

Does anyone know what the ma number of relic greenhouse is that you can have in one castle?

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