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So the Whiners win again..... GRRRRR

Mann what a big BULL KAKA........... those complainers about the new shapeshifter castellan got their way....... and wanna bet most . if not all of them .. are big ruby players???  Must be. because these are the only times GGE actually listens to players that disagree with an update. 
And now that castellan is going to be REBALANCED.... IE fit to the likings of the rubywhales......... thanks a lot GGE and the Whiners
Soul4Life2 @ nl 1

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  • benjames (AU1)benjames (AU1) AU1 Posts: 223
    I have been waiting for the SS cast....but there is no need for a cast with such high stats...that beat any commander stats...i've never seen that before...just needs to be rethinked and altered a bit. 
    Benjames--><--Semajneb


    Great Success!



  • jamman (US1)jamman (US1) US1 Posts: 95
    edited 31.07.2018
    There are at least 2 sides to this story. One side has been already adequately presented (enuff so that GGE changed its mind in short order).

    Mann what a big BULL KAKA........... those complainers about the new shapeshifter castellan got their way....... and wanna bet most . if not all of them .. are big ruby players???  Must be. because these are the only times GGE actually listens to players that disagree with an update. 
    And now that castellan is going to be REBALANCED.... IE fit to the likings of the rubywhales......... thanks a lot GGE and the Whiners

    It is true that GGE will listen a lot more to the big RUBY buyers, 'cuz that's where their bottom line is.

    It's not just the ruby buyers that don't want this update. The castellan beats any commander with ease.

    OTOH, some RUBY buyers DID want this update.

    Almost any Castellan in a 65-member 24/7 covered alliance will beat any Commander by virtue of sheer numbers of Support. This Castellan would not have changed that in any significant way.

    A Master Summoner with 6 Waves of Vet Horrors against 20k or 30k Defenders is still gonna get crushed with or without this Castellan.

    What's left?

    The much smaller alliances that do NOT have anywhere near 65 members, much less 24/7 coverage, would be the ones that might benefit the most from a much stronger Castellan, in the same way that FRCs (Fire Reduction Castellans) discourage continuous "farming" by much larger alliances.

    As evidenced by members (RUBY buyers or non-RUBY buyers, notwithstanding) of big alliances who, in the past, have complained about FRCs, who also, here, complain about a much stronger Castellan (one that would STILL take the small alliance members months to actually obtain). 

    Why do they complain?

    Because on the one hand, FRCs make "Glory hits" unprofitable. Send a nice attack against a member of a much smaller alliance, but if they've deployed an FRC and moved their troops out, that attack sure ain't gonna pick up much Glory.

    OTOH, a much stronger non-FRC Castellan would make these kinds of "Glory hits" more costly in terms of troops lost.

    So circling back to Soul4Life2's original point, the biggest alliances, those with the most RUBY buyers, will have a much greater impact on GGE's decisions like this, simply because they represent a significant revenue stream. One that GGE would want to listen to closely.

    And so they have.

    Welcome to life in the big city, eh?   :*
    jamman @ usa 1
  • sjc (IN1)sjc (IN1) IN1 Posts: 160
    The biggest problem with the new castellan set is the meta that would follow it, and the ruby whales would be the people benefiting the most from it as it was. You've created a situation where you've brought in an almost unbeatable new castellan, that everyone is going to want to pick up, and gives you one strong castle after a few months of work.

    To offset this, there will of course be a new super strong commander that would have to come out, and suddenly you'd give the whales (who will power buy the event boosts to get it as quickly as possible) a commander that had increased in strength as much as the castellan did, and whereas the defender has to be online to put the castellan in the right place out of his 7 castles, the commander will just be able to hit a different castle with a far stronger commander than he had before.

    Power creep has to exist to keep things fresh enough that people want to go hunting for upgrades, but power jumps are not all that helpful, other than for the big spenders who get a temporary boost over everyone else.
    the same cycle has been happening from the times when events where MORE prioritised with booster and etc, etc which make player life easy by "u pay, u play less, u win " scenario


    I know the "less" part is more situational with carrying its more meaning over new players and carries no meaning for players hitting hard
    sjc @ in 1

  • Power creep has to exist to keep things fresh enough that people want to go hunting for upgrades, but power jumps are not all that helpful, other than for the big spenders who get a temporary boost over everyone else.
    Personally, I was just happy that there would be a new castellan to get that was better than my current one, the power creep is more important to me than fairness with ruby-buyers, I'd still have the cast for BCs and FLs and RBs, and for me, that's most of the hits I'm getting. I accept that ruby players will always have an advantage, but that's how GGE makes money. To me, you can't complain that the game isn't fair between ruby/non-ruby buyers until you give GGS $1000. On the other hand, I do think fairness makes it more fun for all involved, so it's in their best interest to listen to the majority of opinions.
    When you're trying to say something offensive, please spell it correctly or I won't take you seriously.
    I've been playing on/off since 2014, this is my 2nd acct. after my first went to ruins, and I'm always happy to give advice about the game.
  • Bear Grills (US1)Bear Grills (US1) Posts: 306
    edited 01.08.2018
    @Soul4Life2 (NL1)
    This castellan would only be of benefit if you never attack, since you wouldn't ever run into the brick wall in the courtyard. If that's the case, go play Big Farm.

    You sound like a socialist. You think you should be able to attack/defend against the ruby whales/ best players on your server. Why though? You don't spend money or a lot of time working on making your account better, then you don't deserve to be better. Life isn't fair, stop trying to make everything equal and complain how it isn't because whining is easier for you than actually putting in work. If you want to get better then get off the forums and play the game to grow your account. Also, you don't have to be a ruby whale to realize that this made no sense, fujiwara explained pretty well why incremental increases in equipment strength are important vs a sporadic jump which makes all other equipment inferior.

    I've been called ruby whale many times (especially on forums) as if it's a negative thing. First of all, I have spent $15 on this game in the last 2.5 years so I think it's fair to say I don't make the cut. Yet, I am able to maintain might points to keep my account in top 100, or even top 50 if I'm trying hard. I think you should stop playing the victim card and using it as an excuse for your failure and instead truly strive to get better so there isn't such a gap between you in the top players... or just accept the fact that they're better than you and that's just all part of life. 
  • Soul4Life2 (NL1)Soul4Life2 (NL1) NL1 Posts: 325
    @Bear Grills you jump to conclusions about my skills or time I've put in this game, but because of the fact you're not playing on my server, that's the only thing you can in this case. I'm hardly buying rubies but, Im always in the top 50, mostly in the top 10 and very often on 1st place. BU+T,  my point is that when non ruby buyers object to certain changes ( ie wheel of fortune, capping rubies on the rbtowers etc) GGE doesn't listen, yet when the big spenders object the change is almost immideately made. That's where it goes wrong. GGE should listen to the majority of the players, not only to the big spenders. 
    Soul4Life2 @ nl 1
  • STEVIEBEANZ (GB1)STEVIEBEANZ (GB1) GB1 Posts: 204
    Loads of non ruby buyers / small buyers hated this cast.

    Beyond the fact it was stupidly overpowered on the wall AND courtyard, it was too cheap.

    Someone said you can get 2.7k charms with a full booster. At 10 hits a day thats 27k. Over a  5 day event thats 135k charms. At 38k per set, that means within 2 events, a ruby whale can have that cast on every castle and outpost except beri/storm. (maybe im wrong, please correct if so)

    I dont see how its something that a ruby whale would hate more than a none buyer. Ruby whales dont mind spending money on decent kit and 7 of these makes you invincible offline unless getting massed/tool stripped first. 

    Maybe it would be a bit different if you could only ever buy 1 set but we know GGE dont work like that - I think with equipment trader you can buy super comms again after 6 months.
    STEVIEBEANZ @ en 1
  • @Bear Grills you jump to conclusions about my skills or time I've put in this game, but because of the fact you're not playing on my server, that's the only thing you can in this case. I'm hardly buying rubies but, Im always in the top 50, mostly in the top 10 and very often on 1st place. BU+T,  my point is that when non ruby buyers object to certain changes ( ie wheel of fortune, capping rubies on the rbtowers etc) GGE doesn't listen, yet when the big spenders object the change is almost immideately made. That's where it goes wrong. GGE should listen to the majority of the players, not only to the big spenders. 
    Sorry about the way I worded it, I was really saying 'you' as a generalization to anyone reading the post who fell under that category. Maybe I shouldve have said 'if you.'

    Pretty ironic of you to say that I jump to conclusions about your skill or time though, because you are jumping to conclusions that this was motivated by 'ruby whales.' Do you have any proof whatsoever that ruby whales had anything to do with this change? My point was that people tend to make an assumption that any players better than themselves are automatically 'ruby whales.' They do this because otherwise, they would have to admit a lack of skill/effort on their own part so they can no longer play the victim card to get their way with minimal effort. Not trying to toot my own horn here, but on the discussion thread for this update, my post got 16 likes, the most of any post on that thread I believe, and I thoroughly explained my reasoning as to why the castellan is a bad idea. So from my perspective, I may have been pretty influential in the scrapping of the castellan set. Like I already said, I am by no means a ruby whale yet I feel my input was valued in the discussion.

    To summarize, the point I'm getting at is you automatically assume that it was the ruby whales that influenced this decision because that's the only way you can play the victim card in the situation and can continue to complain about the unfairness of the situation. However, you have no proof that ruby whales were the influence and that it was just the average GGE player that is similar to yourself. 

    Also, to continue with the irony, you made a thread saying that people were whining about it where you're really the only one I see whining. Most of the people gave constructive criticism. You did not offer anything productive to the table, you are just crying like a baby who didn't get their way.
  •  my point is that when non ruby buyers object to certain changes ( ie wheel of fortune, capping rubies on the rbtowers etc) GGE doesn't listen, yet when the big spenders object the change is almost immideately made. That's where it goes wrong. GGE should listen to the majority of the players, not only to the big spenders. 
    It's simple actually - those are 2 completely different 'spheres' to put it that way. 

    Anyone could've noticed that what GGE has been doing for the past 1,5yrs is to cut all sources of ruby income and force ppl to spend money. In that category falls both WoF and towers, both which is utterly disgusting and outrageous. 

    The BS they used to justify the 50% towers ruby loot is insulting to anyone with 2 brain cells as for WoF they've even outdone themselves within shameless behavior.  

    Anyway, the point is that all those changes they did to make money and listening to its player base would change that. Listening about cast doesn't affect their profit or at least I don't see in what way it could. Or as I stated on some other thread with similar discussion, could be that somebody who actually understands the game came to its senses and put a stop to this abomination of cast to see the light of day. 

    For beri castellan which counters master summoner you have to actually work to get it, to get the khan cast you have to work yet to get cast stronger than those 2 combined together all you need is 5x32 soldiers attacks in hardcore mod. Makes 0 sense from that perspective too, cos it devalues the casts that are strong and have to spend time and resources to get them.

    I think that player on the other thread got the point just right, here's his quote:

    Bear Grills (US1) said:

    No, a semi-active player shouldn't be able to hold 4k defense in their castle with any crap tool setup and now are automatically invincible against a single attack (with ZERO support) because of the enormously high courtyard bonus. All because they got a castellan by sending 32 troops at a castle five times a day, so even alts/ dead accounts can obtain the most powerful castellan as fast as any non-ruby buyer. Wow! Much effort! Such skill!

    couldn't agree more!
    Regardless if it's average or top player, a ruby player or non ruby player. That scenario shouldn't be possible. 
    If they were to do that then only thing that comes on my mind is to remove the support aspect which again would only hurt pvp and alter it in a negative way IMO. 


  • perryl (US1)perryl (US1) US1 Posts: 1,236
    edited 05.08.2018
    As it is now, I'd never bother buying charm boosts, but with that cast, with those stats, at that price? I was going to. 

    I haven't bought any casts yet, too easy to win them, and I just finished teching them all so it's not exactly something I want to do all over again. 

    Anybody that has PvPd before would tell you that cast is OP. The situation is reduced to a situation where average players, the non-whales, cannot PvP against those people. Only a whale would possibly be able to afford to wipe someone with that cast. Heavily leaning the game in favor of said whales. They'd be able to acquire that cast in 7 castles before non-buyers could in several events. Even an average ruby buyer such as myself could acquire all 7 in less than a month, easily. 

    If just being a whale was enough to get GGE to do stuff then we would be spinning pro spins with 30 tickets, not 300 tickets. You're not thinking it through if you think that whales wanted the tickets per spin to go up, caps on rubies from RBs, or any other example you guys have come up with or can come up with. 

    I've never met a whale that wants to earn less rubies from the hits they do, or have a weaker cast, or whatever else. Whales, generally speaking, are playing the game at a level many of you cannot even conceive. Looting more in a week than many of you do in a month, hell, a year. 

    You guys really think that people spend money on the game and just get to walk away? Any time you buy a large buy you end up with negatives that some of you would think impossible. You end up holding millions of food and still only have 12 hours. These people will put up more points in an event than entire alliances do because they have issues and will sit at the game and smash camps for 12 hours straight, with bonus, using shield walls. I know because I've done it and I'm not even close to the kind of whale some of my friends are. Many of my friends buy more rubies in one purchase than even a ruby buyer will in their entire time playing the game. 

    And you wanted us to have that cast in every castle? LOL

    You know what the most common thing we said was? "Well, now we can clean up our inventory and sell off all this damn equipment". 

    You damn fools. We didn't want this cast because it would have made the game even less fun than it already is. Ruby buyers and experienced non-buyers alike complained about how OP this cast was. 

    But of course, it's always the fault of people that actually have jobs. 

    Edit: FYI. I haven't bought rubies since they changed WoF and many of the ruby buyers I know are cutting back because of the changes GGE have been making. GGE is guilty of overfishing and it's not going to end well. Eventually, there will be no whales left. 
    perryl @ USA1 
    Perryl @ UK1 and AU1. Will be back on UK1 soon. 

    @ me or don't expect a response. 

    Chasing the goalpost since 2014. I discovered GGE through a Dogecoin faucet rotator. Don't know what that is? No big deal, those are gone in 2018 2020. A long break was good. Highly recommended. I got too drunk and forgot why I hated GGE and took a break in the first place. So, here I am again. 

    2020 - Not dead yet.
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