Event Teaser: Attack of the shapeshifter

dandelion1958 (GB1) · 11.11.2017

@BM ang1243 @Batten (GB1) @Philt123 (GB1)

Do defence tools get used up ?

so should we have an OPT OUT button on the event so you don't have to stay awake 24/7 for stupid attacks - from idiots who have bought big accounts but don't know how to run them? (and multi's) .

if no points for defence i would just set up using non ruby tools then would be vunerable to a real PvP ? so basically this is a way for GGs to clear all the ruby defensive tools ? - i have spent 4 1/2 years hoarding these as can't afford to buy and in 1 event could possibly lose the lot .

This might be the final nail in the coffin for the game as far as i can tell - I don't like being "forced" to do things -the latest quests are an example - 1 tick and 6 red x's so far ! rewards not worth the cost of the additional effort !

just wonder what ang1243's personal opinion of this is ?

douwew (NL1) · 11.11.2017

ciscous (IT1) said:

BM ang1243 said:
It is possible to attack each Shapeshifter totem only once a day. Be careful because opponents around your castle swap at the beginning of the next day.

how many totem in a day? 1 or more?
if it's one for each player it's a boring event

it is 10 totems every day... So I think the event is 4 days so 40 attacks a day

Unknown_Master (NL1) · 11.11.2017

dandelion1958 (GB1) said:

@BM ang1243 @Batten (GB1) @Philt123 (GB1)

Do defence tools get used up ?

so should we have an OPT OUT button on the event so you don't have to stay awake 24/7 for stupid attacks - from idiots who have bought big accounts but don't know how to run them? (and multi's) .

if no points for defence i would just set up using non ruby tools then would be vunerable to a real PvP ? so basically this is a way for GGs to clear all the ruby defensive tools ? - i have spent 4 1/2 years hoarding these as can't afford to buy and in 1 event could possibly lose the lot .

This might be the final nail in the coffin for the game as far as i can tell - I don't like being "forced" to do things -the latest quests are an example - 1 tick and 6 red x's so far ! rewards not worth the cost of the additional effort !

just wonder what ang1243's personal opinion of this is ?

no your defence tools wont get used, only the tools that the attacker is using

killdavies (GB1) · 11.11.2017

Can you support your main with troops from outposts and other kingdoms?

killdavies (GB1) · 11.11.2017

Shares (AU1) said:

mm browsing through the two points I am interested in are as follows..

1. will there be any opt out available?

I actually hope not as those likely to opt out are those who need the experience.. BUT maybe there SHOULD be an option to opt out after say 6 attacks?

Why would there need to be a opt out? The defender loses nothing and your not forced to attack

ouschak is back (INT1) · 11.11.2017

Anonymous castles?then its just like bcs/fcs.
it would be much better if we can see whos attacking and defending like real pvp

SteelSlayer (US1) · 11.11.2017

killdavies (GB1) said:

Can you support your main with troops from outposts and other kingdoms?

Yes, if they are your troops they are not alliance support....

Herveus (AU1) · 11.11.2017

killdavies (GB1) said:

Can you support your main with troops from outposts and other kingdoms?

Yes but your alliance cannot send support.

ouschak is back (INT1) said:

Anonymous castles?then its just like bcs/fcs.
it would be much better if we can see whos attacking and defending like real pvp

It is for people to get used to PvP and not be flooded with a bunch of diplomacy mail and to not instantly have wars break out.

David Noble (US1) · 11.11.2017

Goodgame Studios may need to make some major changes with new pvp event including not making troops anonymous so that way we do not have to waste valuable tools on attacking them if they are poorly defended and secondly we should know what they are using for an attack us so that way we can defend properly and not waste valuable defensive tools if they are going to be weak attacks just like the Foreigners and Bloodcrows. That would be called tool burning if it is a weak castle or weak attack and we waste our best tools for attacking or defending against them and if we use our weaker tools for defending also important to keep in mind that castles may be more vulnerable to attacks from other players as well and especially when not online. The unpredictability of the strength of an attack from this new event as well alsomakes it very different from real pvp in addition to not knowing the strength of defenders and might even make the game less fun as well. In real pvp when an attack gets close enough you get to know the real strength of attackers as well and not only just the size of their army, tools being used, strength of commander, and the number of ranged and melee attackers.

I am guessing because this event is only in its early stage of development that they will probably get into more details later like how the rewards work and if their is glory/honor involved for both attacking or defending. (Gallantry may be involved instead of glory/honor, but more likely going to be glory/honor than gallantry because of it being pvp.) Another thing to consider is how often will they be attacking us even though we can not get supported? Once a day or more than once a day? Maybe their should be a limit in the number of times our castle can be attacked by them and especially since we are not allowed to be supported by other players from these anonymous attacks. Explanation may also be needed as to why support will work for all other attacks, but not for this event as well. (Not certain, but my best guess is that another player could support another castle during these attacks, but any player who is supporting will not be able to help defend against these type of attacks.) Also, some alliances are at war with each other. Would this new event cause problems for alliances already at war while this event is running? Important for GGS to keep that in mind as well. And lastly, as for all rewards from this event although GGS will probably go into more detail about this later they had better make it worth getting as well just like in all of the other invasions and events.

Peter John (US1) · 11.11.2017

Herveus (AU1) said:

bernhardt (US1) said:

I can understand the hiding the identities, and the no support thing.

I don't understand the hide the troop type and number bit for the very reasons already stated multiple times.

I will state that if one chooses 'hard' mode, the rewards had better be significantly better than in standard mode. Something that exceeds the incremental cost one would incur when switching to 'hard' mode. Think risk/reward/ROI(return on investment). If my costs double, then my rewards had better more than double to put it into terms you(GGS) might possibly understand.

As far as I understand if you click info on the shapeshifter units you get shown their stats so he yet attacker send 120 attackers with 119 ranged and 400 with 141 ranged it will show 520 ranged shapeshifter with 131 ranged , if it works like that it does not seem like to big of a deal imo.
But yes hard mode must give very good rewards or it is not worth it.

For incoming, then yes, it's ok, even though that means our battle calculator need to be updated all the time, instead of using a known database, as the attack power of incoming will differ everytime for M & R SS

But for us, attacking them, I beg the differ. When you see the totem defense is, let say, 100 R SS with 50 M Def Pwr + 100 R Def Pwr, the calculation may differ (depending on how you send your attack) whether that 100 R SS actually made of:
1. 50 R with 40/90 and 50 R with 60/110
OR
2. 20 R with x/y and 80 R with a/b, of which the average shown as 50/100 as we saw in the spy report.

So we may calculate our attack incorrectly because we do NOT have the proper information of defense power.

This is supposedly a strategy games, where we should try to figure out the battle mech. The one who have obtained knowledge on exactly how the battle is calculated got screwed as now he don't have the proper information to calculate it properly.

So at the end you just need to send max. power, hence less attack can go out. If they don't hide those stat, one can really tweak each attack to the optimum, and may be able to send more attack out, as some of attack may not need to be max out attack. Of course, it means he's taking a highe risk of losing had the target change the def. formation. But to me (and may be some other), the fun of the game is ruined if we can't tweak our attack to the most optimum depending on the actual target information.

Asterius (US1) · 11.11.2017

@BM ang1243
You mentioned that we'll be able to use different defence set-ups.
A question, is the defender able to open gates? even if they don't lose troops some players will still do that as always, if they can really open gates then the event will be the epic fail of 2k18, some will also start complaining about many "strong" attacks like what happened in the khan event,

Make this event challenging gge, and pls don't ruin it the day after..

Batten (GB1) · 11.11.2017

It simply provides a few players with another massive advantage whilst making life impossible for everyone else it will pretty clearly be abused and is wide open to abuse by the unscrupulous who haunt this game in ever increasing numbers. It bears no resemblances to real PVP. FI / BC are tedious enough as it is. At least nomads and sams are fairly quick play. There is no logical reason for this type of event and there is no clear clarification of how it works in terms of protection mode which would some an increasingly attractive option during what promises to be a shambolic addition to an already dull experience.

Batten (GB1) · 11.11.2017

Just deal with the multi's and let us get back to proper PVP rather than constantly finding new ways to duck and dogde the most basic of the issue in the game currently.

David Noble (US1) · 11.11.2017

I hope this will be the last event added into the game. We got a lot of events and invasions in the game already. Three of them such as Berimond Invasion, Alliance Tournament, and Royal Capital have disappeared for a long time and we can only hope they will be returned be back eventually while the "Great Tournament" which was also an event at one time and was based on individual scores instead of alliance scores that was also based on pvp as well will probably never be returning back into the game. Nobody will ever be able to get achievement points for that anymore and yet it is still sitting around in the achievement points section. It might be one of the oldest events in the game, but was later scrapped by Goodgame Studios. That tournament used to be around when I first started playing the game. Will the Alliance Tournament be sharing the same fate as the Great Tournament as well? Not certain, but only time will tell. It could be argued though that it was actually the Alliance Tournament that was the best pvp event in the game not this new event.

Meow080Meow (US1) · 12.11.2017

Biggest spenders with the best casts able to poop the other biggest spenders full armies? Sounds like GGS figured out how to get those with the biggest wallets that are attacking to flex for a win, with the loser/winner in defense laughing. This event, unlike AT, will be very unlikely to be compromised (much) by multi's. The way I figure is that there wouldn't be enough predictability to effectively "cheat" the event like with AT. This event will bring a huge profit to GGS from top players, and waste low level players attack tools if they have any notion or desire to keep up.

I hope everyone is happy for complaining about the AT that will never return.

I also hope the top 1-500 or so in MP and/or the top 1-500 LL rankings enjoy making each other spend more money so that I can play for free, hope the rewards are worth it.

: D

Friedrich IV (US1) · 12.11.2017

I won't be playing this event I'm not going to waste PVP tools on disguised PVE

Tools are too expensive as it is, so screw it, we all know everyone is going to be "that guy" and send snipe hits at 3am at undefended flanks anyway

Friedrich IV (US1) · 12.11.2017

Here's what players will do during this event

Every major alliance will send all their troops to safehouse, so nobody wants to hit them and they give nobody else any of the point things or whatever

Every major alliance doing this, leaves tons of empty castles

So this will be just like bloodcrows, a bunch of noobs with 700 troops, a garbage cast and 3 flanking

and if you send an attack at a decent player, they'll port in a few def and defend your toolless clearing attack and rip

just saying lmao

maybe if they only give points for wins it avoids some of this, but I feel like most people will empty out whether online or not, so people think they're an easy defeat and then port troops in

also, if you cant see my troops, what leaves me from griefing you and having a main full of offense so you use expensive tools on essentially nothing?

I'm starting to question, just how well this plan was thought through

EDITS: I just keep thinking of more holes to poke in this event, seriously, why did they not ask us to troubleshoot this first? smh

UD1 (INT1) · 12.11.2017

BM_Friedrich said:

Here's what players will do during this event

Every major alliance will send all their troops to safehouse, so nobody wants to hit them and they give nobody else any of the point things or whatever

Every major alliance doing this, leaves tons of empty castles

So this will be just like bloodcrows, a bunch of noobs with 700 troops, a garbage cast and 3 flanking

and if you send an attack at a decent player, they'll port in a few def and defend your toolless clearing attack and rip

just saying lmao

maybe if they only give points for wins it avoids some of this, but I feel like most people will empty out whether online or not, so people think they're an easy defeat and then port troops in

also, if you cant see my troops, what leaves me from griefing you and having a main full of offense so you use expensive tools on essentially nothing?

I'm starting to question, just how well this plan was thought through

EDITS: I just keep thinking of more holes to poke in this event, seriously, why did they not ask us to troubleshoot this first? smh

My friend your honesty is so refreshing to read , My respect your are fair and balance and do your job as a board moderator to its best effect . now lets hope GGE can do the same .

Friedrich IV (US1) · 12.11.2017

BIGTtheMULLER (INT1) said:

My friend your honesty is so refreshing to read , My respect your are fair and balance and do your job as a board moderator to its best effect . now lets hope GGE can do the same .

thanks man, I think we can all say we want them to succeed

they just dont seem to want to let us help them, all they gotta do is run it by the mods and we'll poke all the holes in it until there's nothing left and they have a good event hashed out

maybe we cant predict everything but we can sure predict more than they can

if I can poke holes like this when I'm a few beers in I'm pretty sure this event isnt gonna be very good lol

Stumpyalaskan (US1) · 12.11.2017

@BM_Friedrich

I doubt you will be a moderator much longer. You don't drink the GGE koolaid and tell us how great they are.

Event Teaser: Attack of the shapeshifter

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