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Ranged defenders/mantlets

Juvraj (GB1)Juvraj (GB1) Posts: 527
edited 03.09.2015 in Players ask Players
If a defender has all ranged soldiers on the wall, with no ranged increased defense tools or castellen equipment, so has no bonus on their ranged defense, then can i basically attack with 20mantlets and win with only a couple macemen???
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  • Lexx7Lexx7 Posts: 1,846
    edited 31.08.2015
    not necessarily

    -if they get online then change their defense, you get RIP
    -regular wood mantlets give a really slow walk and a huge warning time for attacks, plenty of time for the guy to get on and see it
    -if support is sent then a melee guy may be put on the wall, and RIP your troops again
    -mantlets dont work on the keep, so any troops in the keep are still at full strength, so again, RIP your troops
    -militia or city gaurds all have melee defense power, add in wall, moat, and gate bonus's they can easily beat macemen on the wall, or in the keep
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  • Juvraj (GB1)Juvraj (GB1) Posts: 527
    edited 31.08.2015
    Lexx7 wrote: »
    not necessarily

    -if they get online then change their defense, you get RIP
    -regular wood mantlets give a really slow walk and a huge warning time for attacks, plenty of time for the guy to get on and see it
    -if support is sent then a melee guy may be put on the wall, and RIP your troops again
    -mantlets dont work on the keep, so any troops in the keep are still at full strength, so again, RIP your troops
    -militia or city gaurds all have melee defense power, add in wall, moat, and gate bonus's they can easily beat macemen on the wall, or in the keep

    It is not a real player. It is a tower on blade coast:
    http://prntscr.com/8b3a13

    No troops in the keep and i can take the other walls

    Now if i sent 20 mantlets with 1 soldier, can i win that wall?
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  • Cho Gath (GB1)Cho Gath (GB1) Posts: 670
    edited 31.08.2015
    Juvster4 wrote: »
    It is not a real player. It is a tower on blade coast:
    http://prntscr.com/8b3a13

    No troops in the keep and i can take the other walls

    Now if i sent 20 mantlets with 1 soldier, can i win that wall?

    Yes.You can send one crossbowman,without reducing wall bonus,and you'll win.With 20 mantlets,their strength is 0%.
  • FamousGold (US1)FamousGold (US1) Posts: 337
    edited 31.08.2015
    Cho Gath wrote: »
    Yes.You can send one crossbowman,without reducing wall bonus,and you'll win.With 20 mantlets,their strength is 0%.

    To add to that, even though having a defender in Blades would be absolutely worthless, that 1 defender could win.
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  • Cho Gath (GB1)Cho Gath (GB1) Posts: 670
    edited 31.08.2015
    FamousGold wrote: »
    To add to that, even though having a defender in Blades would be absolutely worthless, that 1 defender could win.

    Prince could win.

    :D
  • bobjoerock (US1)bobjoerock (US1) Posts: 549
    edited 31.08.2015
    you also have to send gate and wall tools
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  • FamousGold (US1)FamousGold (US1) Posts: 337
    edited 31.08.2015
    bobjoerock wrote: »
    you also have to send gate and wall tools

    you do not in this instance
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  • Peter John (US1)Peter John (US1) US1 Posts: 839
    edited 31.08.2015
    Cho Gath wrote: »
    Prince could win.

    :D

    Ahhhhh, good ole prince... #MissThePrince #RIPinPiecesPrince

    Inb4 Vet Prince make his debut... #ThouShallNotMessWithVetPrince
  • bobjoerock (US1)bobjoerock (US1) Posts: 549
    edited 01.09.2015
    yes the gate and wall bonus will get added so 100%+60%+60%-100%=120% strength for range
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  • Peter John (US1)Peter John (US1) US1 Posts: 839
    edited 01.09.2015
    bobjoerock wrote: »
    yes the gate and wall bonus will get added so 100%+60%+60%-100%=120% strength for range

    No they are not. They are multiplied, so 0 x whatever = 0.
  • bobjoerock (US1)bobjoerock (US1) Posts: 549
    edited 01.09.2015
    it check that it was added before, there was a 3 page thread about this
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  • FamousGold (US1)FamousGold (US1) Posts: 337
    edited 01.09.2015
    bobjoerock wrote: »
    it check that it was added before, there was a 3 page thread about this

    smh, do you even GGE?
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  • bobjoerock (US1)bobjoerock (US1) Posts: 549
    edited 01.09.2015
    it is confirmed to be added, check the thread: Is moat>wall?
    This is form the thread, from, MangInasal
    I think the simplest explanation how bonuses are applied would be:

    raw soldier power x (100% + bonuses%)

    Example For maceman... with no tools, +20% castellan melee bonus on the +20% wall

    38 x (100%) = 38 defense melee (basic) power

    38 x (120% + 20%) = 53.2 defense melee power (considering the bonuses)


    So logically all bonuses SHOULD add up and become multiplier to attack/defense power.

    soldier raw power X
    ( 100% + wall% + gate% + moat% + tools% + helmet% + armor% + ... + hero%)

    Of course to simplify calculations soldiers are bundled as Total Melee Power and Total Ranged Power.

    Thus,

    Total Melee Power x
    ( 100% + wall% + gate% + moat% + tools% + melee bonuses% )

    Total Ranged Power x
    ( 100% + wall% + gate% + moat% + tools% + ranged bonuses% )

    Of course we can only guess as far as calculations go... some say there's also some random component in the math... plus ruby targetting math... hehe... )
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  • Khaljesse (US1)Khaljesse (US1) US1 Posts: 69
    edited 01.09.2015
    bobjoerock wrote: »
    yes the gate and wall bonus will get added so 100%+60%+60%-100%=120% strength for range

    If ranged defense strength is zeroed out, meaning the mantlets reduce the total percentage to 0, no other tools are needed. The only time you would want to use other tools is if the ranged still has some left. Say it's 120% ranged and you only have 20 mantlets for some crazy reason. Then there is still 20% that will be multiplied if other tools aren't used. But these peeps are right. If the ranged is @ 0, no other tools are needed. I have used 1 troop on an all ranged flank hundreds of times with only mantlets.

    Do some experimentation and prepare to have your mind blown :)
    Khaljesse @ usa 1
  • FamousGold (US1)FamousGold (US1) Posts: 337
    edited 01.09.2015
    bobjoerock wrote: »
    it check that it was added before, there was a 3 page thread about this
    You are missing the basic concept of this thread
    Juvster4 wrote: »
    If a defender has all ranged soldiers on the wall, with no ranged increased defense tools or castellen equipment, so has no bonus on their ranged defense, then can i basically attack with 20mantlets and win with only a couple macemen???

    And their specific lightshot image

    jAGSn4X.png

    Now, because I like to live dangerously,

    Left Flank, yep, 1 attacker

    qJ3Z7Da.png

    Center, again, 1 attacker

    6uFCvQ1.png


    Results:

    arLEtHW.png

    Left:
    njrWSQV.png

    Center:
    wFEtvbW.png

    Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!
    FamousGold @ usa 1
  • Khaljesse (US1)Khaljesse (US1) US1 Posts: 69
    edited 01.09.2015
    FamousGold wrote: »
    You are missing the basic concept of this thread



    And their specific lightshot image

    jAGSn4X.png

    Now, because I like to live dangerously,

    Left Flank, yep, 1 attacker

    qJ3Z7Da.png

    Center, again, 1 attacker

    6uFCvQ1.png


    Results:

    arLEtHW.png

    Left:
    njrWSQV.png

    Center:
    wFEtvbW.png

    Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

    Glad someone did it. I'm too lazy hahahaha :)
    Khaljesse @ usa 1
  • FamousGold (US1)FamousGold (US1) Posts: 337
    edited 01.09.2015
    Khaljesse wrote: »
    Glad someone did it. I'm too lazy hahahaha :)

    The frustration was real, lol
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  • Molson Beer (US1)Molson Beer (US1) US1 Posts: 8,443
    edited 01.09.2015
    FamousGold wrote: »
    The frustration was real, lol

    Can I have your RV's
  • edited 01.09.2015
    anyone who says you have to add wall and gate tools attackign all ranged defense if the ranged bonus is all canceled out really has no clue how it works. 100 ranged defense with 1 million wall bonus can be canceled totally by 20 mauntlets. The wall bonus is completely meaningless if the ranged defense is canceled
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  • Juvraj (GB1)Juvraj (GB1) Posts: 527
    edited 01.09.2015
    Yes, I did it. No need to add gate/wall tools, i beat it with 20mantlets and 1 soldier
    King Juvster the Fearless




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    Archduke at level 41
    Prince at level 49
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    the Unyielding at level 55
    the Great at level 56
    the Conqueror at level 59
    the Terrible at level 64
    the Merciless at level 64
    the Victorious at level 64
    the Steel-hearted at level 64
    the Resolute at level 64
    the Furious at level 66

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