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5th Wave Madness

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  • Tree Hugger2Tree Hugger2 Posts: 535
    edited 06.02.2015
    geniusguy wrote: »
    Manatees notorious liars that is why dugongs are better.

    Fight of the sea creatures!!!

    blobfish vs manatee!!!


    just dont destroy any plant life while you are at it ;)
    Tree Huggerusa1 Leader of The Black Flag

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  • geniusguy (US1)geniusguy (US1) US1 Posts: 948
    edited 06.02.2015
    Fight of the sea creatures!!!

    blobfish vs manatee!!!


    just dont destroy any plant life while you are at it ;)

    Dont look at me manatees are the ones that eat all plants.
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  • Tree Hugger2Tree Hugger2 Posts: 535
    edited 06.02.2015
    geniusguy wrote: »
    Dont look at me manatees are the ones that eat all plants.
    hmmm...


    I dont like this Manatee guy so much anymore \__/
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  • CAYO7CAYO7 Posts: 290
    edited 06.02.2015
    Manatee wrote: »
    I simply held you to what was said, and to what you said in response, without allowing you to pretend it was something else. It's much simpler that way, and it ensures I don't post any twists or fallacies myself.

    Now if I were to start posting my OWN twists, or introduce fallacies, then we're looking at an even longer post from me. I'm trying to spare some of our readers that burden, lol.

    If you can spot any twists or fallacies though, I'm happy to own up to them; just point them out.

    You didn't hold me to anything, and that is one of the fallacious arguments you use: To state your own interpretation of what is been said as if that was what had been said; not the same thing.

    Regarding pointing the rest of your tricks, you know them all too well, I hope.
    Don't bother me with that.

    Longer posts! What's that, a threat? I'd say youcould use ABCABC…'s signature: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****". Beat yourself if it makes you happy.

    I don't want to double post, so I'll answer to you second post by saying that I'm very happy that you finally stepped down to actually read what I wrote. I'd be honored if it meant anything.

    I knew we are indifferent servers from the beginning of the thread. But having myself been to US1 and the facts that the forum does not belong to you and that the rules of the game apply to everyone, I guess I'll keep on posting for as long as I feel like to do it.


    Thanks :)
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  • CAYO7CAYO7 Posts: 290
    edited 06.02.2015
    Once you start claiming that Manatee is twisting things/facts you start loosing credibility.

    He is like the opposite of a politician.

    Why don't you go and hug a tree?
    Play GGS Empire for free by not buying rubies.
  • millwall97 (GB1)millwall97 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 2,513
    edited 06.02.2015
    geniusguy wrote: »
    Manatees notorious liars that is why dugongs are better.
    Once you start claiming that Manatee is twisting things/facts you start loosing credibility.

    He is like the opposite of a politician.


    Pretty sure this discussion died yet again as soon as this lickarsing began.
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  • Manatee (US1)Manatee (US1) Posts: 2,711
    edited 06.02.2015
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    You didn't hold me to anything, and that is one of the fallacious arguments you use: To state your own interpretation of what is been said as if that was what had been said; not the same thing.
    Pretty much all of the post of yours that I responded to was you stating the opposite of what actually transpired in this thread, or denying what was stated in the thread. I simply redirected your attention back to the facts, not your wishes. Perhaps instead of saying I "held you to it" I should have said it in a nicer way.
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    Regarding pointing the rest of your tricks, you know them all too well, I hope. Don't bother me with that.
    I love tricks. I wish I used some. But like I said, I simply redirected you to what you said and what others said. Show me trickery or fallacies and I'll acknowledge. It's as simple as that. No need to "bother" with anything, just show us you're not talking out of the hole that smells funny and I'm sure we'll get along just fine.
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    "Longer posts!" What's that, a threat? I'd say youcould use ABCABC…'s signature: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****." Beat yourself if it makes you happy.
    Sorry, no BS here, no threats there, this one wasn't even about you, Mr. Defensive, lol. It's called self deprecating humor, because I pick on myself just as much as I pick on others. I'm known for long-winded essays and it was something fun I tossed in there for the others who glance at my replies and roll their eyes at another long Manatee post. Apologies for confusing you.
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    I don't want to double post, so I'll answer to you second post by saying that I'm very happy that you finally stepped down to actually read what I wrote. I'd be honored if it meant anything.
    Just because someone holds you to what you said, or to what the thread is about, does not mean they are elitist as I think you're trying to insinuate. If you're married, I bet this goes over REALLY well with your wife, lol. Gotta learn when to admit you done goofed, or you're going to be in for some cold-shoulder nights.
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    I knew we are indifferent servers from the beginning of the thread. But having myself been to US1 and the facts that the forum does not belong to you and that the rules of the game apply to everyone, I guess I'll keep on posting for as long as I feel like to do it.
    Oh by all means, continue posting away. Even when you have absolutely no clue about the nuances of what is being discussed it can still be insightful or fun for everyone. I would only advise you not to be jumping on someone else in your ignorance as you did in this thread to Longshanks (and possibly myself?) if you're going to be so defensive and in denial when a snapshot is shown with your foot so firmly inserted in your mouth.

    You do have some options though: you can try extracting it and be a good sport instead of telling others they're full of trickery and fallacies... or you can continue tickling the inside of your abdomen with those wriggling toes of yours. Your choice!
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    Thanks :)
    Ahh you ARE good with emoticons! You're welcome :)

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  • aman9 (ASIA1)aman9 (ASIA1) Posts: 40
    edited 06.02.2015
    Dont want to name but one of the strongest players in this game send a 1900 soldiers attack with god commander and elite guard soldiers on one of our alliance members. 1900 soldiers in 4 waves! we won but with a 90 90 castellan on and fully ruby tooled defense we lost 2000 soldiers! And now GGS make 6 waves of attacks. At least make a strong counter for these kind of attacks. e.g. increase tool slots. make defense tools stronger. anything to make a counter for these kind of attacks
  • D1237 (US1)D1237 (US1) Posts: 193
    edited 07.02.2015
    aman1234 wrote: »
    Dont want to name but one of the strongest players in this game send a 1900 soldiers attack with god commander and elite guard soldiers on one of our alliance members. 1900 soldiers in 4 waves! we won but with a 90 90 castellan on and fully ruby tooled defense we lost 2000 soldiers! And now GGS make 6 waves of attacks. At least make a strong counter for these kind of attacks. e.g. increase tool slots. make defense tools stronger. anything to make a counter for these kind of attacks

    There is another tool slot, too bad you wont get it until AFTER you get your 5th wave of attack. LOL

    You know why I love my sig? Because it perfectly captures so many topics regarding GGE lately.

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  • CAYO7CAYO7 Posts: 290
    edited 07.02.2015
    Manatee wrote: »
    Pretty much all of the post of yours that I responded to was you stating the opposite of what actually transpired in this thread, or denying what was stated in the thread. I simply redirected your attention back to the facts, not your wishes. Perhaps instead of saying I "held you to it" I should have said it in a nicer way.


    I love tricks. I wish I used some. But like I said, I simply redirected you to what you said and what others said. Show me trickery or fallacies and I'll acknowledge. It's as simple as that. No need to "bother" with anything, just show us you're not talking out of the hole that smells funny and I'm sure we'll get along just fine.


    Sorry, no BS here, no threats there, this one wasn't even about you, Mr. Defensive, lol. It's called self deprecating humor, because I pick on myself just as much as I pick on others. I'm known for long-winded essays and it was something fun I tossed in there for the others who glance at my replies and roll their eyes at another long Manatee post. Apologies for confusing you.


    Just because someone holds you to what you said, or to what the thread is about, does not mean they are elitist as I think you're trying to insinuate. If you're married, I bet this goes over REALLY well with your wife, lol. Gotta learn when to admit you done goofed, or you're going to be in for some cold-shoulder nights.


    Oh by all means, continue posting away. Even when you have absolutely no clue about the nuances of what is being discussed it can still be insightful or fun for everyone. I would only advise you not to be jumping on someone else in your ignorance as you did in this thread to Longshanks (and possibly myself?) if you're going to be so defensive and in denial when a snapshot is shown with your foot so firmly inserted in your mouth.

    You do have some options though: you can try extracting it and be a good sport instead of telling others they're full of trickery and fallacies... or you can continue tickling the inside of your abdomen with those wriggling toes of yours. Your choice!


    Ahh you ARE good with emoticons! You're welcome :)

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    Sorry dude: I admit I can't care less about your misleading blabbering, and I admit that I feel quite happy that my last post elicited such long response. I hope you spent a long time concocting it.

    Can't read it, though. I is got better things to do.

    But I can't leave here without first reiterate my farmers advice (yes, I'm what you gge experts call a farmer): If you get sick of not being able to beat a castle, maybe you should learn how to send an attack... that or cough a few more thousands of dollars; that'll teach us.

    And you are welcome :)
    Play GGS Empire for free by not buying rubies.
  • Manatee (US1)Manatee (US1) Posts: 2,711
    edited 07.02.2015
    My misleading blabbering is pretty darn awesome, isn't it? One would even think it wasn't even misleading. Imagine that :) No wonder you claim not to have read it, lol.





    I'm not completely sure what I think of the 5th and 6th waves yet. I see people's arguments on both sides, and both have points.

    I guess my biggest fear is how super powerful those 6-wave people will be, against someone who just hits 70 and legendary level 1. It won't even be funny, just sad. Credit card commanders and castellans made the imbalance pretty tough, as did the ability to purchase new legendary levels and all of the instant-purchase demon & assassin armies. When the USA1 server war ends, I wonder how many of the spenders will still play?
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  • therealsporer (US1)therealsporer (US1) Posts: 2,266
    edited 07.02.2015
    it seems worth noting that there are players speaking in favor of 5th wave who are fighting on both sides of USA1 server war and who are not huge ruby whales.
    Its not like this is an argument between the free to players and the ruby whales...

    Obviously most of us have not yet gotten to the point of either sending a 5 wave or receiving one. I expect that much of this discussion will evolve as we grow into that.
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  • popoo6 (INT2)popoo6 (INT2) INT2 Posts: 102
    edited 07.02.2015
    Actually i find the 5th wave very interesting and there is counter defence for it which is 10% wall bonus
    before gem update and this one most strong players could defend wall easily
    but now it is harder for me to defend wall against 5 waves and i like the challenge so plz stop the nagging and start defending u can beat 5 waves even against super commander with a none bought castellan enuf said :D
  • edited 07.02.2015
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    And how do you know what he's talking about? You must be a mind reader.

    Maybe he knows because longshankss is in a server war where 90% of his opponents have what manatee stated. Now there's a thought! Doesn't take a mind reader to see that one. Just someone that can see what's on their server. Lighten up.
    CAYO7 wrote: »
    Actually, that's not what we're talking about. You' re the only one talking about 3,320 kg defenders etc. etc etc.

    What I'm saying is that if a player can't get the job done using a supercomm (which in itself requires less strategic abilities than using a flyswatter) then he needs to learn how to send attack.

    What longshanks seems to want is the certainty of winning every attack he launches. Why not giving him not 5 but 15 waves of attackers? But give them just to him, so that he finally can beat courtyard with +3000 troops.

    There's imbalance between attacker and defender. Big deal! The whole game is an imbalance. That's how GGS makes money. You want balance in the game? Then you can start by getting rid of ruby perks, equipment, and jewels, and the stop adding fluff.

    Another moot point. That is exactly what he is talking about. I also fail to see where longshanks wants to win every time. People said they hate the 5th wave. He said he didn't and provided a reason for his opinion. You gave your opinion and I don't see anyone tearing it apart. Again lighten up. You take this game way to seriously m8.
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  • edited 07.02.2015
    Manatee wrote: »
    My misleading blabbering is pretty darn awesome, isn't it? One would even think it wasn't even misleading. Imagine that :) No wonder you claim not to have read it, lol.





    I'm not completely sure what I think of the 5th and 6th waves yet. I see people's arguments on both sides, and both have points.

    I guess my biggest fear is how super powerful those 6-wave people will be, against someone who just hits 70 and legendary level 1. It won't even be funny, just sad. Credit card commanders and castellans made the imbalance pretty tough, as did the ability to purchase new legendary levels and all of the instant-purchase demon & assassin armies. When the USA1 server war ends, I wonder how many of the spenders will still play?

    I know, you had me so mislead I was thinking your messages weren't misleading! Wow you're good!

    In all seriousness I don't like the 5-6th waves. But not because of the numbers. It all goes back to that executioner cast. 2.5k is bad enough when the super comm is behind them. So it all goes back to that poor decision. But the only people that gripe about the updates, are the ones still playing it. Myself included. If we was really sick of it we would quit. But most of us have been here way before the string of poor updates started. I guess we don't want to give up what we worked for. GGE does have that advantage. I see promise with the upcoming update. But I'm confident GGE will screw it up as well :P No offense GGE. I'm still playing.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Never back down when your friends need you most. Never hide behind their shields for fear of your own safety. Step to the front and wield your blade in defense of your allies. Never cower, never fear, never betray, and above all; Never yield when fighting for someone else. Never be remembered as a coward. Be remembered for your willingness to defend your friends when they need you most. This is the way of a warrior.
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  • therealsporer (US1)therealsporer (US1) Posts: 2,266
    edited 07.02.2015
    I know, you had me so mislead I was thinking your messages weren't misleading! Wow you're good!

    In all seriousness I don't like the 5-6th waves. But not because of the numbers. It all goes back to that executioner cast. 2.5k is bad enough when the super comm is behind them. So it all goes back to that poor decision. But the only people that gripe about the updates, are the ones still playing it. Myself included. If we was really sick of it we would quit. But most of us have been here way before the string of poor updates started. I guess we don't want to give up what we worked for. GGE does have that advantage. I see promise with the upcoming update. But I'm confident GGE will screw it up as well :P No offense GGE. I'm still playing.

    AG
    props for challenging nonsense from people you agree with and then making your point on its own merits. Given your stance against the 5-6 wave I think you should elaborate though. It seems like you havent said a lot about why you don't like it.
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  • edited 07.02.2015
    AG
    props for challenging nonsense from people you agree with and then making your point on its own merits. Given your stance against the 5-6 wave I think you should elaborate though. It seems like you havent said a lot about why you don't like it.

    No real reason. I actually like the idea of a 5th and 6th wave. I loved it when they came out with the 4th. But I think what most people miss (regarding why they dislike this update) goes back to the introduction of the executioner sets. Other than that I don't see why a 5th or 6th wave would be a huge deal for resource players. Because 5 or 6 waves can only be used on legend players. If there was no super comm, a lvl 70 should still be able to match anyone's equipment = a more fair fight. So again regardless of waves, it depends on if you have bought the super comm or if you haven't.
    So the reason I don't like it is because it makes the distance greater between the ruby and resource players. The ability to buy experience lvls doesn't help me root for it either. lol
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  • triangletriangle Posts: 425
    edited 07.02.2015
    I can't help but notice that those arguing in favor of the additional waves tend to have them, while those arguing against, don't.

    I don't actually think this is evidence for people being self-centered though. Rather, I feel it has something to do with the large range of game balances we see today. Game balance is generally based on how much power-output, to put it one way, players are capable of producing, with the difficulty generally being slightly lower than that output, but the difference between success and failure being made up by skill. A "balanced" game will make sure that players never find things too easy or too difficult.
    The problem that we face here however is that there is such a huge range of possible power-outputs a player can produce, depending upon their willingness to spend rubies. As pointed out many times, a lvl70 unwilling to spend rubies is capable of far less powerful attacks than a lvl70 player willing to spend whatever it takes, and this results in the power output of any given player being extremely varied.
    But GGS must draw the line of difficulty somewhere, and this inevitably leads to some players finding things incredibly difficult, and others find it incredibly easy, with just a few finding it to be just right. GGS seems to be aware of this, as evidenced by their producing updates such as the "master level", which effectively has two difficulty lines for different players to compete in.
    Updates like this seem to be well-balanced for players at the top of the player-power-output spectrum (who generally already have the 5th/6th wave), as evidenced by longshank's… energetic defense of the update, and Manatee's general support (I assume manatee is around the same strength :huh:). For him and his friends this truly is a well balanced update which slightly shifts the difficulty curve in favor of attackers, making the game overall more based on skill.
    The issue is, however, that players on the lower parts of the player-power-output spectrum (who don't have the 5th/6th waves) find this update to be completely out of balance when compared to the options they otherwise use to enhance the potency of their attacks (be it skill, ruby tools, whatever), and ultimately these players still play on the same map, in the same competitions and against the same players. These players, who represent the vast majority of the GGE community, find this to simply be another way in which GGS is making it impossible for them to even consider resisting the top 1%'s attacks.
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