Nomads Just too Hard?

Rdrnnr

Praesentya wrote: »

So much for being in my brother alliance Rdrnnr ;(

I still lurves you Prae

It's just these darned nomads set my teeth on edge :O

Praesentya

Rdrnnr

Just made my sig btw...

BillR (US1)

Stage your attack in more than one wave. Plan your attack based on the spy report. If the nomads are using bows or the crossbows Provide your first wave with extra cover such as the iron shields. After the first wave use the more aggressive fighters to finish the job. You must see the attack as if you were there. The follow up wave is the same as having two armies equal to the one of the nomads. Try it Good luck.

I Shall Rise (US1)

BillR wrote: »

Stage your attack in more than one wave. Plan your attack based on the spy report. If the nomads are using bows or the crossbows Provide your first wave with extra cover such as the iron shields. After the first wave use the more aggressive fighters to finish the job. You must see the attack as if you were there. The follow up wave is the same as having two armies equal to the one of the nomads. Try it Good luck.

Don't really understand what you are getting at. "More agressive fighters?" huh?

thermal15

You don't coax and wriggle your army inside the walls bit by bit. The sooner you get through the more of your men and tools will survive. Unless you're sending a burn wave (1 man with 1 tool) in the first wave(s) then you need to hit head-on full force with the very first actual combat wave. You want the first wave to break through if they can, otherwise wave #2 needs to overcome the same defences the 1st wave had to overcome and preferably had broken. that means more losses and more tools used up just to get into the keep.

triangle

I just want to point out (not sure if somebody has said it before) that most of the tools in lvl60 camps are in stacks of 3 (some in stacks of 4). This means that if you wish to reduce the defender's defense by using martyr waves, you would have to send 3 waves, only giving you one wave worth of troops to actually kill the nomads. In higher level camps (lvl70 and 80) the tools are always set in stacks of 4, meaning that there is absolutely no point to martyr waves at all.
This is probably why I've been loosing so much

Dragonriderdan

I don't remember how hard lvl 20s are exactly, but with a couple of resource tools, 2 handed swords, and heavy crossbows (and a horrible commander) I could win with 7-12 lost attackers. After asking a lower level in my alliance, you should do just fine, there are less than 20 guys per flank.
Edit: Sorry, I thought I quoted somebody.

mr teehee

Well level 10s arnt hard

risesheena (GB1)

lvl 10s are not worthy for the coins or the tablets that you get from it. lvl 20 are really good return on investment.

lvl 80s are the best in terms of ROI.

Albeast33

Yes, quite honestly, the troops lost to rewards ratio is ridiculously lopsided. I am only lv 25, but I know enough strategy to avoid losing 50 of the 100 troops you send out. Attack only on the two weakest flanks using 2 waves or more, which will allow you to use less tools (only the wall bonus will apply, not the gate), and take on anyone in the frontal flank in the keep, where you will be able to take them on even ground. Using this strategy, I decreased my losses from 50/100 to 20/100. This works on lv 20 and lv30. I have yet to attack a 40.

Lord Porky

thermal15 wrote: »

You don't coax and wriggle your army inside the walls bit by bit.

:D Well said, Thermal!

AhmadPlayer40

wow that is a lot of tools

UserAndrei2

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Can somebody please advise which camp would be better to attack with 3 waves and how to do so?

thermal15

UserAndrei2 wrote: »

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Anybody give suggestion on best way to destroy this camp?

Ooh that's pretty ugly if you've only got 3 waves. Have you got 4 waves? If not then honestly I'd leave it.




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Oh sorry. You just wanted to shuck out a screenshot and wait till you got the answer on a silver platter. Well you joined 2 weeks after I did so with 4 waves it's a cake walk.

UserAndrei2

thermal15 wrote: »

Ooh that's pretty ugly if you've only got 3 waves. Have you got 4 waves? If not then honestly I'd leave it.

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Oh sorry. You just wanted to shuck out a screenshot and wait till you got the answer on a silver platter. Well you joined 2 weeks after I did so with 4 waves it's a cake walk.

I just changed the question.

I Shall Rise (US1)

UserAndrei2 wrote: »

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Can somebody please advise which camp would be better to attack with 3 waves and how to do so?

One on the left is the better one for you. No problem even with three waves. In my experience one lime powder bomb doesn't do much damage on the nomads.

I am assuming that is a level 50 and you have 30 tool slots on the flank and 40 middle. I would do all waves ranged attacking the middle and the left flank. Should only need tools on wave one. All 30 slots mantlets left flank. Middle 31 mantlets, 5 ladders, 4 rams is what I have been doing.

Best ranged commander you can put together. Wall and gate reduction also help.

thermal15

Oh. Thanks for the favor.


Neither of them are worth attacking that's the truth. And as for which one is better, it depends on what you can do with your commander and how many tool slots you have.


For me personally (assuming there's 2 tool slots) I'd be better off hitting the one on the right with a wall/ranged commander. For the right flank I'd stack shield walls with melee, gate I'd use ruby rams, iron mantlets and poison arrow. Left flank mantlets and poison arrow. ranged troops.


None of that applies to you though. I can bring wall to zero. Sorry I wasn't even meaning to be useless but kinda need way more info

I Shall Rise wrote: »

One on the left is the better one for you.

If he hits the one on the left then he would be way better off meeting the right flank in the keep.







EDIT
Here i'll try to simplify. Sorry, I'm hangin on by a thread here but from what I'm hazily seeing the right is way better. If you have lots of tools then don't be intimidated by the Bodkin Arrows.


Make your commander as strong in ranged as you can, plus wall. But sacrifice wall for ranged if you have to make the choice. Stack as many mantlets as you need to on the right, do not spare any space for wall tools.


Gate and left flank, same. As much mantlets as you need. Use whatever is left for wall tools. If you're rich and can't spare many men, replace wall tools with poison arrows.


But like I said, neither are really worth hitting unless you have close to 90 ranged power.

I Shall Rise (US1)

thermal15 wrote: »

If he hits the one on the left then he would be way better off meeting the right flank in the keep.

Out of curiosity what makes you think that? Mind you on these nomads you don't want to meet a lot of ranged in the keep or you will be torn up, but that flank only has three more ranged than the one on the left. The fact that the left has 20 fewer melee isn't really a deal maker since ranged is ideal against melee.

However, what I am looking at is what he will face on the wall. With only three waves, he can't run toolbusters on that right flank so he will have to deal with the tools. The extra lpb isn't a big deal but will cost a few troops. The bodkin arrows do matter, because with resource mantlets and limited to 30 slots he will still face 53% ranged defenders strength. Maybe not a gigantic deal but again it will cost troops.

The extra troops due to the remaining 53% ranged and extra lpd on the wall will be costlier than what the 3 extra ranged in the keep will take out.

oi your dying

i easily hit nomads without more than 100 losses for lv 80 its all about using

enough of the mock pesants to couteract the ranged bonus
attack with a 90 ranged commander
use enough tools to counter the bonuses
and make sure you use only ranged attackers
this is almost a sure fire way of winnig the 240 tablets the lv 80 gives you without loseing more than 100 troops

thermal15

I Shall Rise wrote: »

Out of curiosity what makes you think that?.

The left side has more lime bombs. Arrows can be beaten entirely by using 1 of the same type of tool you were going to use anyway. With lime, you can't use wall tools+mantlet+poison arrow.


I don't use poison arrow much. Only twice that I remember. I can't attack level 80 nomads, 60 is as high as I can go but my reports all look like this..


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I can change that up quite a bit and put the gate into wall. I'm rambling a bit here but also the melee/ranged ratio on the right works out more favorably.




man this is like my 10th EDIT.
I say I'd want to hit them in the keep because he has to use mantlets on that right flank even though there's only 15 ranged defenders. With those bodkin Arrowheads they'll rip into the ranged attackers. Who are already facing 2 bombs. It's about minimizing your losses. And from what I see in my nomad tent there aint nothing for sale that justifies the expense incurred to beat either of those targets.

oi your dying wrote: »

i easily hit nomads without more than 100 losses for lv 80 its all about using

enough of the mock pesants to couteract the ranged bonus
attack with a 90 ranged commander
use enough tools to counter the bonuses
and make sure you use only ranged attackers
this is almost a sure fire way of winnig the 240 tablets the lv 80 gives you without loseing more than 100 troops

This idea is going to be your downfall. Get it out of your heads that it's ALLLL about 90/ranged. Far from it.