A Tale of Hypocrisy and overbearing

Lenzabi (US1)

Greetings all. Lenzabi of the newly reformed and refitted Random Chaos, formerly Leviathan Chaos here. I was given a task back when Leviathan was still simple enough to allow play to be fun. I wanted to start a branch of my own, instead, Kas gave me an old bracnh of say 6 accounts, 2-of which were under his direct influence/control. It was maybe 6-8 members once me and my confederate, Easystuff got to it, it was in sad shape, like an old Hoopty that needed parts and care. We all put Rubies, worked hard, fought hard, and built it ti 17members so far, Things looked good, then Leviathan came up with a list of rules and expanded them to the point that they were harder to play under(I have a hard list i will scan and print) one of the rules was that coercion was against his golden rules, well,, they feel we hijacked their alliance branch, and declared war on us,,,yes,m we are now at 15 members as 2 were coerced or offered what they had long wanted, despite their assurances otherwise.

Kas sent coercion messages to other members which violates his rules oh so precious, but wait! he suspends his golden rules at war times. So, this 60+member high leve4l behemoth has flewed it's mighty muscles on our small once 17, now 15 stubborn members as his cronies are all gone, none of them stayed, all we have are those that joined us once we made the alliance a viable yet small group, we will not cave, we will not give in, we will defy this mighty uber-bully to our last.

We hijacked nothing, we paid for the old wreck through the amount of rubies, bleeding for Lev, hard work, and the tears for seeing some who joined leave before things got good. Now we are seeing massed attacks, and out where we are the weakest, such as sands or Ice. What does that say about the mighty Leviathan Family now? Not using such high moral standards when it suits them, hypocrisy is alive and well dear friends.

15 vs 60+ in Main alone, they may have all the other branches involved soon as well.

Lenzabi (US1)

Just got the report that other Lev branches are spying us out for attacks, so 60+ strong needs help?? how weak!

sparkysparkyboo

you probably shouldnt have posted this as a game,just sayin'.

p.s. try my new game its the opinion game

KasSoloMC

Lenz,
the alliance had 13 slots. yes 6 members ... but 13 slots. those two upgrades were from wargirl which is in leviathan now. the only reason she was in lev chaos was to wait for access to leviathan. so leviathan members alone brought that alliance to 17 slots.
you earned it by wars and fighting for levi? you dont think being protected by the levi name was payment enough? or all those issues you brought to me to deal with myself for "your" alliance wasnt anything??

there should be no branches attacking you.

if u dont want someone to declare on you .... dont hijack their alliance
see u in game

Lenzabi (US1)

No, wargirl did help with slots, yes, true, but the others wer also due to me and Easystuff adding to it. Nice try to twist it. Fact remains, we sent a letter that was not insulting and even somewhat apologetic, and asked for a possible NAA, you sent a letter in the early morning saying how disappointed you were, I was going to address the points when I woke up, then I find after an offer had been made by Easystuff that tatcks of massive size were launched I had 150men in Sand, 300 would have destroyed them, you sent 844 so overkill in my weakest territory Where is the honor in that? I do not have access to Veterans as yet, nor do we hjave the vaunted Kings Guards, so we have a war of David Vs an Overbearing Goliath.

We did not attack you, we did nothing more then declare independence and now we have a mismatched assymetrical warfare here. Is okay, we did hobble a level 60 for you named Retsef, we learned a LOT in that campaign. You want to play butthurt and smack us big bad rebels down, but what if this is what starts the unraveling of your empire? We now are angered by your tactics liek the PMs to coerce or scare away members in violation of your very own rules, we have maybe 3 level 50-52's, the rest are all lower levels, what has lev main got in this fight? how Many 55-60's? of that 60+? Now we will have to show the size of the fight in o\this little dog. You made the decision to start the war, I have dealt with bullies before, and I always finished the fights they started.

Oh and 844 Kings-Guards to take on 174 spears/bows/swords/archers? 100KG would have been enough based on their stats, so much for the attack with what the target has access to,,,,oh wait, we do NOT have Kings Guards at all. just another bad tick to tally on the bully charts for Leviathan.

Lord Smithe

i don't understand how could he hijack your alliance? why would you declare war on one of your members alliances? maybe leviathan is just a bully like people say they are.

easystuff

I bought the first set of slots right after Lenzabi and I took over that alliance. Wargirl didn't come along until later. Just to set the record straight...

Lenzabi (US1)

So, Leviathan, a 60+ bunch with a lot of high potency players has now got HARDCORE attacking us as well. we are now seeing the Lev Family as hypocritical bullies. If you thought to make us cave this way, you will soon learn the error of this thinking. so now we have 75potential players arrayed against 15, how "noble" when we just wanted to break clean.

Unknown

Lord Smithe wrote: »

i don't understand how could he hijack your alliance? why would you declare war on one of your members alliances? maybe leviathan is just a bully like people say they are.

Inb4 world war against bullying.

Seriously though. I see Kas's point. We've had our differences as well but they donated a fair amount of rubies and resources into that alliance and then some player thinks he owns it all because he added a couple of slots. This is not how it works brahs. Same thing happened to one of our subs, a respected heart surgeon (yes some docs lift and tech too) donated >$350 to one of our suballiances and all of a sudden the poverty leader decides to switch sides and comes up with poverty excuses. Needless to say his castle is now in flames and he will be on our hit list for ever.

This is not bullying. This is taking revenge the way it's intented in this game. You can't just parasitize on other people's money and resources and steal their alliance without accepting the consequences.

Lord Smithe

how did he steal the alliance!!!!!

Lenzabi (US1)

Stole nothing! I paid nearly 200k rubies , plus resources and coins as did others to make it work our better than what was handed to us, I i upped speeds, support, slots more than Kas lets on, we lost many rubies fighting for Lev, we also found many would not hit us back or play due to the name. But seriously, we tried a clean break, no declaraations of war, no insults, I figured we'd get denied an NAA, originally we really just wanted to start a fresh alliance and Kasd decided to plop that 8 member slot hoopty to fix up, we got all others waiting doing nothing while Lev decided their fate out, they got where they wanted or they quit due to waiting so long. we told members that if they did not want to go independent they could drop and apply wherever. Now Just Lev Main fighting with us is one thing, but now a second branch of theirs who said eh would NOT attack is attacking, so now 2 alliances making 75 players vs us 15 member single alliance alone seems excessive, but if Lev Main wants to play that way, they can, we saw hgow it got in their war on MISC, I was surprised to see a MISCy response that supported them is all, wow. but yes, if they wnt to fight us, they ought to be able to handle us alone with the already huge power disparity.

I paid much into the alliance, nearly 200 thousand rubies alone is a lot of money Brahh, I think that alone ios a pricey pay in. add the work at recruiting, and honing the members to fight.

Ryebreadreturns

Chestbrahh wrote: »

This is not how it works brahs.

I think you automatically lose the argument if you refer to your opponents as "brahs". I also object to your misuse of Ace Ventura. He was a cool dude who would not condone Leviathon's behavior here. Do you really think launching attacks against them immediately was a good way to re-coup the ruby investment? Ask the British Empire circa 1783 how well that worked out for them. Perhaps with some diplomacy the issue could have been resolved to everyone's satisfaction?

easystuff

Don't let Kas's argument sway you as he omitted one big chunk of info. I offered to drop out and start a new alliance and get it to the same point at which we took ours over and then give it to him minus membership because all the members that were there besides Lenzabi and I, left for greener pastures in Lev or elsewhere. So, we basically took a shell and brought it up to a decent set of members who work together well. Those members came through our own recruitment. All we wanted to do is leave the family..I guess IDC anymore because I will go down fighting while "stickin' it to THE man".

Lenzabi (US1)

easystuff wrote: »

Don't let Kas's argument sway you as he omitted one big chunk of info. I offered to drop out and start a new alliance and get it to the same point at which we took ours over and then give it to him minus membership because all the members that were there besides Lenzabi and I, left for greener pastures in Lev or elsewhere. So, we basically took a shell and brought it up to a decent set of members who work together well. Those members came through our own recruitment. All we wanted to do is leave the family..I guess IDC anymore because I will go down fighting while "stickin' it to THE man".

Viva La revolucion! Fight the United Soviet Socialist Republic of Leviathan!

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@ Lenzabi

Kas seems to be saying it was one of his members that paid for the vast majority of upgrades. If this is not true and you paid for this all, you're correct and they're just bullying. Regardless, while 200k rubies is a fair amount of money for non-CEOs, it's all relative. If they put in 3 million, your 200k is just pocket change and I think they should have the vote to decide what happens to the alliance. But again, it seems one of you is lying and until we find out who's the liar this argument is going nowhere.

BTW, I'm not supporting Lev at all. I still have my doubts about their arguments for going to war with us, but if Kas's statements are true, I can fully understand their actions.

Lenzabi (US1)

Chestbrahh, there was not much sunk into the alliance when I got it. it had no speeds for anything, the slots were at best 8-9, Wargirl did pay for slots, but Easy and I paid for those as well as support/merchant/war speeds increases, and looting. Several accounts Kas had control over they left, other players were waiting to become Lev main and I saw them go of their own volition. We are not the bad guys here. What was handed to ne was not as well kempt as Kas would let you think, I stick to my guns and I and others built that alliance into a 17 member force. Now we are down to 15, we face all of the 60+ levs in their revenge, now we are attacked by Joris3 of HARDCORE even after he said he would not have his alliance in the fight. I wonder if he was merely lying, or did not wish to be ex-communicated from Leviathan?Yes, they will oust you for not fighting at their bidding.

Lord Smithe

that is true, i remember when lenzabi first went to this alliance there were 9 member slots and the alliance was in bad shape overall.

Pelasion (US1)

There are just too many branches in Leviathan. I say split them into two large ones, such as Grimbert and Ursidae, and work from there. Seriously, they have like over 500 members or something in all of the branches? Just a little too many. They could control the game if they wanted to, like if they all complained about something, (top players) gge would have to do something. That kind of power is scary! O.o

Lenzabi (US1)

That power has been focused on opur little band of 15, but hey! we love a good challenge so the war will continue unless it gets called off by the giant, but now they still would look bad, a no win situation for them as they now show a dark side in beating on us, and if they call off the war, they may look weak. I do not think they want to appear weak to the server. Small as we are we will weather the storm! our resolve is far stronger than they realize, we are the underdog here, not them. This underdog has teeth!

Granya

Len, I usually don't chime in on this kind of BS, but dude, you were a brother....

I enjoyed workin with you while you were a part of our family.

You were asked to lead a branch of Leviathan, a branch our leader founded....

You were not asked to take it and do what you want with it, you were asked to lead it for the good of Leviathan.

Then one day, after we supported you in all your Empire endeavors with brotherhood and strength, you just opt-out, hijacking one of our founders alliances and claiming it as your own....

We don't hold people hostage, if you want to leave the door is always open, and good luck to you.

Start your own alliance, build it strong and have some fun.

Stealing ours will not fly.

-G

Lenzabi (US1)

Sorry that you feel that way Granya, I am sure by now Kas has painted me up as Kim Jong Lenzabi, well we will have to rock Chaos Style then, Oh, and Easy had earlier offered to just hand it all back, but now that blood has been spilt, we will fight as the attacks came before we could respond to a letter by Kas. Kas went warpath fast and hard? well we do not allow ourselves to be intimidated by those of such power and access to odd troops we do not back down, we do not bow.