DREAM TEAM...LIAR!!! and the KON supports this.

William Templar

A while back I questioned the leader of the DT Mr. Tam regarding a rash of actions against the AOD and rumors (that are now turning out to be true) about the eradication of the Army of Darkness Alliance. The links are the conversation...Mr Tams replies make it clear enough that the sent side need not be posted. Following the links are the conversation.

Please note that Mr. Tam clearly states there is no plan to eradicate the AOD yes that has been on going. DT is the sister alliance to KON which supports this action. I wonder what would be next for MISC since they too have been brought up for removal. OH YES the mighty and dear DT/KON family has put that up for discussion. If need be Ill post those as well.

Yes I sit under the dove and sure not all my alliance members can afford to do the same...DT and KON count on this and bully them into submission, any of this sound like HIVE to the rest of you? However I have made the offer as a good leader to support them if they wish to go under the DOVE and can not afford it. They will as people make those choices on their own and I respect that.

What I dont respect are people like MR TAM and his little band of miscreants who preach against bullies and then go off and bully the masses and what not while under the guise of a NAA or protection action.

To the readers I am not looking for help..I am just calling a spade a spade so to speak. If you want to join me against these types of actions let me know Ill make some space for you. Otherwise do not think you are safe from the same actions at a later date. No i am not crying complaining or whining like I said...the bromance between the KON and DT could get costly.




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TAM: Well, we are neither pacted with nor have an NAA with AoD.

Rash of hits may be unfortunately because of the new glory titles, therefore everyone is making a big glory push to get them...this also coincides with the Glory Tournament that is currently ongoing.

Cheers

TAM:The current ones coincide with the glory tourney and new glory ranks, the ones over the past few months are just that - attacks.

As we are neither pacted with nor have an NAA with AoD or its subs, AoD subs are free to hit. As you were allies in the war, we do not overdo it and try to spread them out but there will be hits. We also respect hits back if they were to come. This is, after all, part of the game.

TAM:What you say about DT is true, so how can you interpret random hits spread over a period of months (as you say) on a number of different alliances to be any indication of a planned systemic removal of AoD.

That sounds sort of ridiculous. You know or have heard of our game play. If we were planning anything of this sort, by ourselves, or with allies, it would be a

TAM:[The last message was cut off before I finished so let me restart from the beginning]

What you say about DT is true, so how can you interpret random hits spread over a period of months (as you say) on a number of different alliances to be any indication of a planned systemic removal of AoD.

That sounds sort of ridiculous. I mean even without knowing DT's reputation, those type of hits is clearly not the way to go about what you are implying regarding the removal of AoD from the server. I have not heard about these "rumours" floating around and I would not give them much credence (I am sorry to say but they were probably initiated by AoD members) because they simply do not make sense.

If we were to take out an alliance or a group of alliances (which is what AoD is), we would not randomly hit over a period of months. It would be much quicker and much more concentrated and with much more weight.

I have recently spoken with Toji, AOD leader and it ended on friendly terms (you can confirm this yourself). But the charges you have just laid out are sort of incomprehensible if you look at the facts that you laid out before me.

Cheers.

TAM:What is the point of the rumour if it was not started by AoD? I am at a loss as to how the rumor can benefit anyone. Unless it is only pointing fingers at DT as the culprit in its claims.

TAM:I think you are misreading my last email to you. I was perhaps unclear and if so, I apologize.

I have no desire to find a scapegoat. If I did, I would be combing through the forums looking for this type of information. As it is, I do not do that.

I have no desire to increase hits on AoD subs either. Why would I? As I mentioned to you, we have an agreement with AoD Main whereby DT Main will not hit Aod Main. DT subs also will not hit AoD Main. Aod Main has hit our subs (as recently as yesterday). We (as you know), sporadically hit AoD subs. We do not see a need (nor has a reason been proferred) to extend the NAA at this moment to AoD subs. I can guarantee you that the rumour you heard is false and I think you know this based on our earlier correspondence and your acceptance that the rumour is false.

Defending the weak? Again as with my earlier paragraph regarding a scapegoat, why would we want to hit the (small) alliance that brought you this rumour? It makes no sense. I never even asked you where you got this rumour from nor am I asking you now. Your source is yours. I took you at your word with your email.


Cheers.

TAM:If these rumours do spread or spring up again, perhaps a statement by you now controvening those rumours that I could show would be very helpful.

If I had a statement from the leader of an AoD sub that those rumours are not true, that would be great.

Your chose. Thanks in advance.
I hope this clears up a few things.

Cheers.

Besiged King (US1)

So what are you saying AoD vs. DT? I would read the whole thing but it's too long so if anyone has a shorter version.

JJ-5792

omfg.... more of this. guys, NOBODY WAS PLOTTING TO TAKE OUT AOD. you people literally scared yourselves into disbanding. all DT and maybe KoN sent were just attacks. its a war game, attacks should be expected.

if DT wanted to disband AoD they would have by mass attacks.

but I did take advantage of the situation to take a few of AoD's best
and I see DT took one of AoD's best subs as one of their own :P

Lord Porky

William Templar wrote: »

To the readers I am not looking for help..I am just calling a spade a spade so to speak.

Wild Willy, unless you are really young and/or don't read English well, it's hard for me to believe you are serious.

JJ-5792

Besiged King wrote: »

So what are you saying AoD vs. DT? I would read the whole thing but it's too long so if anyone has a shorter version.

AoD main alliance was scared that DT was going to mass attack them. so they fell apart. everyone scattered.

Lord Porky

JJ-5792 wrote: »

omfg.... more of this. guys, NOBODY WAS PLOTTING TO TAKE OUT AOD. you people literally scared yourselves into disbanding.

Honestly, it seems like much of the USA1 server is going nuts.

William Templar

Lord Porky wrote: »

Honestly, it seems like much of the USA1 server is going nuts.

Yeah so it would seem.

William Templar

JJ-5792 wrote: »

AoD main alliance was scared that DT was going to mass attack them. so they fell apart. everyone scattered.

Yeah...um that is a lie. You guys are so darn good at that. maybe I should just post all of the KON correspondence regarding this. I mean Who do I care has a black eye. After all when you have fingers everywhere...

Avius

JJ-5792 wrote: »

AoD main alliance was scared that DT was going to mass attack them. so they fell apart. everyone scattered.

JJ speaks the truth. Everyone in the AoD subs I spoke with were looking for leadership, not protection.

Ladybugs

DT did not kill AoD AoD management killed AoD they fed there subs to DT and wouldn't allow them to fight back
AoD subs left because they got tired of management many made plans to go even before they were told to find new homes

Lord Porky

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I just received the above vehement message.

The name has been removed to protect the young and in some ways innocent person.

Well son, I can only say "Enjoy your youth - savor the time while you can engage in such flights of fancy as are currently the fashion among quite a few people on the USA1 server."

Just when I thought the server couldn't get more wacky, zany, and downright nutty - this magic "Destruction of AoD" thing comes up, and next thing you know, people are saying they hate bacon.

So, I suppose this means you're going to fire up a big bowl of broccoli, cauliflower and brussels sprouts, and never touch bacon again? Not that fiber, beneficial enzymes, cancer-fighting compounds, Vitamin U, etc., are a bad thing - no, not at all.

But I don't believe that you hate bacon.

shirozake

First. lol @ "Mr. Tam"

2nd. @ OP. "Urine iedeot"

Story time.

AoD is/was one of the oldest alliances on this server. They were formerly known as "Team-Legends II" but broke away due to their disagreement with The Collective. Confuzzion was the leader at this point and a good friend of mine. That + a couple of their members joining DT. When Confuzzion stepped down, someone else held reigns, and from then on, AoD lost their close relationship with DT.

Fast forward.

During the H.I.V.E. war, AoD secretly jumped in, and then jumped out which was their choice. DT personally viewed it as them turning our backs on us, and felt slighted by that action. Eventually they joined back in because honestly, it seemed like if an alliance didn't join in against H.I.V.E. they would be the next target for DT and their allies. It is what it is at this point.

H.I.V.E. war ends.

At this point, I personally among other DT generals felt slighted by AoD's actions of leaving, then coming back then leaving etc. So, of course we wanted to hit them. We had enough allies already and saw no necessity to add AoD as one of them. Serry, whom I go a long way back with, personally asked me for a favor to give AoD main an NAA. The best DT did was was give their main a verbal NAA and it stood up until recently.

I take a couple month hiatus.

I come back, and in this time period, I find out that AoD had been threatening the DT subs, and because of my hiatus along with other DT players hiatus, they felt that they could come and destroy DT. I took this personally, and immediately decided that the "whatever" relationship we had with AoD would come to an end. Now, at no POINT was DT's intentions to destroy AoD, or dismantle AoD, they just became paranoid. We just wanted to be able to engage in friendly battles with them.

LegionoftheFree is neutral with DT, and we are constantly attacking them, and they are constantly attacking us. Yet, they understand that our intentions are without malice. Toji, the then leader of AoD was in direct contact with me personally, and everyday I would reassure her that our intentions were without malice. I even promised her I would teach them things about the game personally to help develop AoD and their players. DreamTeam was the first alliance and the one to invent the all ranged attacks of FEBRUARY 2013', Lord Porky & Pineapple Joe being the first to do it. Your welcome USA1 by the way, and that's just the beginning of it. At this point Toji who kept choosing to believe rumors over me, decided to take actions into her own hands. Yes some of our subs were at war with their subs, all for the purpose of war speed. I can't stress this enough, DT had NO malicious intents towards AoD, and everyday I would personally reassure Toji of that.

Apparently AoDs views and DTs views of a "mass attack" are different. Hitting a player in multiple locations is just strategy. GGE gives us 12 commanders, which means 12 possible armies you can send with the highest pedigree of strength. For many of you who know me on this server, you have seen my equipment. I have 12 90/90s with the god commander lurking, and I am going to use them all when I attack. We had agreed upon one or two player mass attacks, and if just so happens two players are capable of sending 12 strong armies, that's just unfortunate for the defender. It is what it is.

What's ironic in all this is, DT never had a mass attack planned.

At no point in "Mr. Tams" messages did he convey that DT's intentions were to dismantle AoD. In fact he was the one advocating an alliance with AoD. Even more ironic.

Then all of a sudden, last Saturday or so, half of AoD main is dismantled, and their subs are in new places. It is what it is again at this point.

So, please stop making threads you don't know anything about.

Also, those constantly spreading rumors, and those who listen to it. It's a reason why they're rumors, but gossip folks' gon' gossip eh?

Shark mcspot (US1)

William Templar wrote: »

Yeah...um that is a lie. You guys are so darn good at that. maybe I should just post all of the KON correspondence regarding this. I mean Who do I care has a black eye. After all when you have fingers everywhere...

One of the dumbest people I've met is you.

Maybe "he's good at lying" because it's the truth. Shiro made a thread appropriately title "AoD sup confuzzion?"
In it he was confused about AoD wanting to war DT. AoD got scared later that they might be massed which is why they all disbanded. Is that to much information to fit through that dense brains of yours?

Lord Porky

Good post, Shirozake.

It is truly amazing how hysterical things have gotten.

and oh yes - tam pls.

Toji2

So much misinformation, and partial bits and pieces... How about I set the record straight from the AoD perspective.

Yes, AoD got into the HIVE / Misc war. In fact we were one of the first alliances to do so. I sent a note to Retsef asking if they needed our help, as soon as we heard of the war. A few weeks in, our then leader, Rick, agreed to peace with HIVE during a late night chat. The rest of the AoD leadership team and I found out the next morning and let Rick know that we disagreed with his decision. Ultimately, we argued about it and Rick quit. I contacted both KoN and Misc to let them know what had happened and why, and we jumped back in. With the exception of those few days, we fought the entire war.

When the war ended, DT and AoD did have an agreement in place. When DT started to hit our branches with increasing frequency, we did the same to theirs. When their branches asked us to stop, we said we would if they would also stop attacking our branches. Apparently this was considered to be "threatening" them. I considered it trying to protect my family. However, in an effort to make sure there was no misunderstanding, I sent notes to each of the DT branch leaders involved, apologizing for seeming to threaten them, and clearing up our intent. Shiro was given a copy of that note prior to me sending it out and gave his approval. I made it very clear that no threat was ever intended.

When Shiro came back from retirement he accused me (and Aod) of wanting war although the idea that we thought we could take them out because some of them had retired is ludicrous. AoD was significantly weaker than DT, we had many branches under level 15 and the last thing we wanted was a big war. Shiro apparently did not believe me and decided that since he didn't like the agreement that was in place, he was changing it, but with some rules. War declaration for speed was ok, but no massing, no trying to hurt or wreck anyone, just glory hits back and forth, training for both sides to learn new things.

Unfortunately, some of DT's branches didn't seem to want to play by these rules and started massing AoD's branches on a regular basis. Players already in flames were targetted and timed hits were common. I spoke with Shiro, repeatedly, nothing changed.

In the week prior to my decision to disband AoD, my branches started looking elsewhere. Some wanted to mass DT and were not happy when not allowed to. Others were tired of burning and wanted better protection. At least one was recruited by a DT branch, with the condition that they spy on our leadership chat first. Others were recruited by FT, and members inside AoD were telling branch leaders to get out while they could, and who to contact in FT to coordinate their exit. My top players started to receive recruitment letters from KoN. This all happened prior to any thought of disbanding.

The decision to disband what remained of AoD was mine, based on many months worth of information from many sources and the events that were taking place. People want to play this game and have fun. Most of us don't want to worry about server politics and power plays. I felt that the best way for my family to be able to achieve this was by not staying in AoD.

AoD has tried to be a good ally to their friends and play a game that is fair and honourable. Sadly that is becoming increasingly harder to do on this server.

shirozake

Toji2 wrote: »

The decision to disband what remained of AoD was mine, based on many months worth of information from many sources and the events that were taking place. People want to play this game and have fun. Most of us don't want to worry about server politics and power plays. I felt that the best way for my family to be able to achieve this was by not staying in AoD.

AoD has tried to be a good ally to their friends and play a game that is fair and honourable. Sadly that is becoming increasingly harder to do on this server.

Therein lies the problem. "Sources." Gossip, and assuming did nothing for AoD in this instance. You spoke to me daily, and while I couldn't respond immediately or with haste, I told you relentlessly, that DT was not going to mass AoD, and we had no intention of dismantling AoD.

But, the deed is done Toji.

And the Timed Hits you speak of and these "masses", it's like 10 or so hits coming, from an equally strong alliance. If players have to start filing out forms for attacks, like Leviathan once made it's players do, then you're right, this GGE has gone full blown potato once again.

orel570 (US1)

Toji2 wrote: »

So much misinformation, and partial bits and pieces... How about I set the record straight from the AoD perspective.

Yes, AoD got into the HIVE / Misc war. In fact we were one of the first alliances to do so. I sent a note to Retsef asking if they needed our help, as soon as we heard of the war. A few weeks in, our then leader, Rick, agreed to peace with HIVE during a late night chat. The rest of the AoD leadership team and I found out the next morning and let Rick know that we disagreed with his decision. Ultimately, we argued about it and Rick quit. I contacted both KoN and Misc to let them know what had happened and why, and we jumped back in. With the exception of those few days, we fought the entire war.

When the war ended, DT and AoD did have an agreement in place. When DT started to hit our branches with increasing frequency, we did the same to theirs. When their branches asked us to stop, we said we would if they would also stop attacking our branches. Apparently this was considered to be "threatening" them. I considered it trying to protect my family. However, in an effort to make sure there was no misunderstanding, I sent notes to each of the DT branch leaders involved, apologizing for seeming to threaten them, and clearing up our intent. Shiro was given a copy of that note prior to me sending it out and gave his approval. I made it very clear that no threat was ever intended.

When Shiro came back from retirement he accused me (and Aod) of wanting war although the idea that we thought we could take them out because some of them had retired is ludicrous. AoD was significantly weaker than DT, we had many branches under level 15 and the last thing we wanted was a big war. Shiro apparently did not believe me and decided that since he didn't like the agreement that was in place, he was changing it, but with some rules. War declaration for speed was ok, but no massing, no trying to hurt or wreck anyone, just glory hits back and forth, training for both sides to learn new things.

Unfortunately, some of DT's branches didn't seem to want to play by these rules and started massing AoD's branches on a regular basis. Players already in flames were targetted and timed hits were common. I spoke with Shiro, repeatedly, nothing changed.

In the week prior to my decision to disband AoD, my branches started looking elsewhere. Some wanted to mass DT and were not happy when not allowed to. Others were tired of burning and wanted better protection. At least one was recruited by a DT branch, with the condition that they spy on our leadership chat first. Others were recruited by KT, and members inside AoD were telling branch leaders to get out while they could, and who to contact in KT to coordinate their exit. My top players started to receive recruitment letters from KoN. This all happened prior to any thought of disbanding.

The decision to disband what remained of AoD was mine, based on many months worth of information from many sources and the events that were taking place. People want to play this game and have fun. Most of us don't want to worry about server politics and power plays. I felt that the best way for my family to be able to achieve this was by not staying in AoD.

AoD has tried to be a good ally to their friends and play a game that is fair and honourable. Sadly that is becoming increasingly harder to do on this server.

At least shirozake reply to your messages, he ignores all have mine.

BobLead

Why iz I forced to fill out dem forms still? I just wanna skeetrock

JJ-5792

edit... double post

JJ-5792

William Templar wrote: »

Yeah...um that is a lie. You guys are so darn good at that. maybe I should just post all of the KON correspondence regarding this. I mean Who do I care has a black eye. After all when you have fingers everywhere...

please do. please post whatever you think is "evidence" so I can do what I do best. poke holes in your flawed logic.

well, my fingers always seem to find themselves in a tight spot ;P

Toji2

Others were recruited by KT,

sorry that should have been FT, not KT