The best commanders

pajeg2 (GB1)

deathsweeper wrote: »

The walls aren't as important as the keep. The walls may have 500 troops but the keep has thousands of troops.

320 max on the wall, and don't underestimate them





90/90 commander with only 2 waves of tools, that's too weak

if you face a strong castellan, there's only one thing to do, range moat wall commander with full range and 3 waves of mantle/wall tools (nomad tools can take care of that)

thermal15

pajeg wrote: »

320 max on the wall, and don't underestimate them





90/90 commander with only 2 waves of tools, that's too weak

if you face a strong castellan, there's only one thing to do, range moat wall commander with full range and 3 waves of mantle/wall tools (nomad tools can take care of that)

Gate castellan 90/90, majority sword with some bow and spear. Ranged tools.

WAY-TOO-EASY

pajeg2 (GB1)

thermal15 wrote: »

majority sword with some bow and spear. Ranged tools.

where do you see ranged at my door?


is that harder?

http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/empire/showthread.php?106721-Best-Attack-Strategy-for-Castles-within-your-site

"range moat wall commander with full range and 3 waves of mantle/wall tools"
his commander may have everything, but he send some mele, so that was too weak too

The NibirU

erickblucher wrote: »

I was laughing at first, before i realised that you were being serious.

This is one of the best posts on the forum

To the Potato Commander: why do you insist so much on wall bonus, when you can beat any wall with tools only, but you cannot beat the wall with commander only, so you have to use wall tools anyway, so you don't gain a tool slot with your commander ??

And if Triangle's math is correct, the question is how often do you meet more than 2826 defenders for your commander to take advantage, not mentioning that the 90/90 can also get the 30% bonus?

Hourglass

thanks for your tips.

ranger will1 (US1)

how are you sposed to kill a ton of men in the keep even if you win all three flanks.. if im goin all ranged with all wall and gate and no ranged power... then i win all flanks make it to keep im kinda screwed.... and one thing id say is travel costs should be very last.... its kinda pointless.... i mean sending support its good but for sending attacks. as long as you keep hitting barons for coin no need for travel costs on commander... that should be last after everything else.. doesnt help you win battles

Conan (GB1)

Personally I agree with Tresiel. I have a -100 wall commander, I can there for attack someone only having use like 2 belfries and then have 28 room for manlets/shield walls. Take's out the ranged and melee defence easy.

King Nutz

need some help in setting up good commanders for defense and offensive gains.

Conan (GB1)

ranger will1 wrote: »

how are you sposed to kill a ton of men in the keep even if you win all three flanks.. if im goin all ranged with all wall and gate and no ranged power... then i win all flanks make it to keep im kinda screwed.... and one thing id say is travel costs should be very last.... its kinda pointless.... i mean sending support its good but for sending attacks. as long as you keep hitting barons for coin no need for travel costs on commander... that should be last after everything else.. doesnt help you win battles

And why on earth would you do any attack full ranged???? Don't tell me people on USA1 have tried full melee defence???!?!?!?!?!?

nailtail

tresiel wrote: »

A few of your are confused about what a strong commander is.

Well I'm going to help you out here by letting you know which commander bonuses are the best.

Cliffs:
Wall > Gate > Moat > Everything else

The best is wall. Why? Cause everyone has a wall. Even a level 1 player who just started has a wall. And since both sides can use tools, that means you need to cancel out wall without relying on your tools' bonus. So make sure you get a ton of wall bonus.

The second best is gate. This paired with wall will ensure that you will always break through the defenders if he ever defends middle. This gives you control. When you use a gate heavy commander, you KNOW your opponent will be defending the flanks.

The third is moat. It's just like the wall, except that it's bonus is higher per tool, so it's weaker than wall (on defense. The reverse for offense). You want to cancel out as many tools as possible right? Then get a strong moat commander.

The fourth perk you'd want would be late detect. This isn't as important since it focuses on your opponent messing up rather than you successfully pounding him down. This makes sure that your opponent doesn't even see your hit coming so that he won't be able to set up a defense. However, if he has a early detect cast, it'll render your bonus useless.

The fifth would be speed. Speed is great, especially when paired with late detect. If he does see your attack coming, he'll only have 30 seconds before your army actually hits, meaning poor defenses. Offensively, this is better used for RV sneak attacks than hitting a main castle.

The sixth would be travel costs. When you get to the endgame, armies get really big, and you can drop 20,000 gold on just moving your army around. A travel cost commander lets you use all of that gold for recruiting more troops to wreck the opponent with. Travel cost can be reduced to -100%, basically sending your troops out for free

If you have KG units, 20,000 gold = 135.1 CBKG with no alliance help. (270 with) That means, every time you send your army out, you saved 135 CBKG. I'm sure you can see how it adds up.

The seventh would be tied for honor or glory. It depends on what you want. Honor gets you horrors, glory gets you KG.

Eighth would have to be melee troop combat strength. This doesn't do anything once you get to endgame, since your researched veteran or Kingsguard troops will be so powerful that bonus attack doesn't do anything for them. It's just so much more important to make sure you break down wall/gate/moat before worrying about beefing up your soldiers.

-100 wall vs 90% melee?

Well, a melee troop vs a melee troop with 100% wall is weaker than a 90% melee troop vs a melee troop.

1 vs 1 + (100% x 1)

or

1 vs 1 + (90% x 1)

It's easy to see the difference.

The worst in the game would have to be ranged troop combat strength. I HIGHLY recommend that you scrap any piece that has this. This is by far THE WORST trait to have on a piece of equipment. Beefing up your ranged soldiers doesn't do much at all. At endgame, you can take all 4 pieces of your equipment to get a maximum of +90% ranged attack. That means you get 190% ranged attack.

However, a defender gets to use tools such as arrow slits to beef up his ranged defense up 280% for a total of 380% defense. TWICE of what your can get on your commander! With game mechanics, a ranged defender counters a ranged attacker. Now imagine what double ranged defenders can do?

There are three wild card bonuses: fire damage, loot, and building destroy which max out at +50%, +?%, and +5% respectively. They don't affect the actual battle, so I haven't put them in this guide. They only take effect after the battle is over.

Listen to me and build your commanders like this.

how does wall and gate bonus help when most of the people I attack are set at 0-0-100 once you get to the keep the wall and gate bonus is useless almost no serous players have defense set at 25-50-25 most have it at either 50-0-50 or 100-0-0 so having a gate commander is a waste of time, if 2000 attackers reach the keep and there are 1100 defenders of the same power but with +90% ranged and + 90% melee castellan then the attacker will lose. On the other hand an attacker with 1000 troops can kill 2000 defenders in the keep if they use a + 90% ranged and +90% melee commander. What it comes down to is you can reduce wall and gate protection with tools but you can not increase combat strength with tools therefor combat strength commanders are more valuable.

tresiel wrote: »

Eighth would have to be melee troop combat strength. This doesn't do anything once you get to endgame, since your researched veteran or Kingsguard troops will be so powerful that bonus attack doesn't do anything for them. It's just so much more important to make sure you break down wall/gate/moat before worrying about beefing up your soldiers.

on the contrary the better the troops the more of an effect it has not less for example a traveling knight has 146 attack power, but with a +90% melee comander it has 277.4 attack power.

triangle

ranger will1 wrote: »

how are you sposed to kill a ton of men in the keep even if you win all three flanks.. if im goin all ranged with all wall and gate and no ranged power... then i win all flanks make it to keep im kinda screwed.... and one thing id say is travel costs should be very last.... its kinda pointless.... i mean sending support its good but for sending attacks. as long as you keep hitting barons for coin no need for travel costs on commander... that should be last after everything else.. doesnt help you win battles

Try reading my earlier post (post #62 on this thread), where I address this issue. The thing is that there is a maximum bonus that can be delivered by the 90% combat strength commander, because the number of attackers is limited. For heavy crossbowmen, for instance, the absolute greatest bonus that can be delivered by a 90% commander is +105,984, in addition to their base strength. However, because the number of defenders is potentially limitless, the -30% bonus is also, potentially limitless. For example, if there are 2826 longbowmen in the keep, defending against your heavy crossbowmen, the -30% bonus on them would be a greater decrease in defense, than the increase in attack delivered by a 90% commander.
Therefore, if you are facing off against 3k+ defenders, and are presented with a choice between getting the -30% bonus, and having a 90% commander, the -30% bonus should be the better deal.

I still think this commander idea is absolutely insane, but it does have an element of logic.

nothanksjeffery (US1)

RIP in peace tretre

gone but never forgotten

Lord Swordsman

Hi. I have a weapon that gives me a bonus on ranged soldiers but a larger less gate protection bonus. Should i sell the piece?

Mr.assassin2 (US1)

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Highness Ho (GB1)

don't sell equipment. Just upgrade it

Rathgar (US1)

I can confirm.

This is solid advice. I follow it thorougly

Conan (GB1)

I love my wall comm Cheers trisiel

bryan b

Yeah, this is the biggest bunch crap I have ever heard. It is seriously embarrassing for the MISC to have a player who is such an idiot.

The thing this dude forgot to realize, was you can ZERO a ranged defense with tools. And now matter how strong the ranged defense is, say 400%, you can still zero that with 27 shield walls, AND it leaves room for 13 belfry (-260 wall) which would completely zero ALL of the defenders defenses!(aside from moat, which is inevitable) Do NOT listen to this guy!

bryan b

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This attack was done using a 90/90 commander. Eat it, l3itch!

Lord Roj (GB1)

bryan b wrote: »

Yeah, this is the biggest bunch crap I have ever heard. It is seriously embarrassing for the MISC to have a player who is such an idiot.

The thing this dude forgot to realize, was you can ZERO a ranged defense with tools. And now matter how strong the ranged defense is, say 400%, you can still zero that with 27 shield walls, AND it leaves room for 13 belfry (-260 wall) which would completely zero ALL of the defenders defenses!(aside from moat, which is inevitable) Do NOT listen to this guy!

Well I think now with gems any logic this strategy had is over, my 90/90 attack comm has 63% CY bonus, the 30% for all flanks is nice to get too, but no longer essential. I can easily take out 2800 men with a full attack, even without winning all flanks!