Hammering the Hoards

triangle

So the nomads have come again, and I'm sure that many will be giggling with delight as they contemplate the fantastic loot they will receive when they execute their cunning and masterfully created plan. And then there will be others who, without the aid of such a plan will still want in on all the goodies and consequently charge their mighty armies into a pit of icky nastiness that will be rather expensive to dry-clean out of one's armor.
I, unfortunately, belonged to the latter group last time, and I did not enjoy the experience. I was therefore hoping to... ask for some advice as to such things as which lvl to attack, any helpful tips and so on.
And yes, I already know that I will have to use tools;)

SadhappyRuler (ASIA1)

Hi triangle,

You should attack the lowest levels you can find if you don't have many troops. You need a lot of mantlets & a good strong ranged commander to compete. Try to attack the lowest level you can find as its less expensive.

If you have 3 waves of attack you can send 2 martyrs on a flank with 2 tools & then take the flank out with mantlets and ranged soldiers. You will need soldiers too, for this as their melee bonus is also great. Lime powder bombs really trouble in winning attacks where you have only 1 non-martyr wave. The nomad melee soldiers have very low ranged defense so its easier that killing halberdiers

You shouldn't attack if you don't have enough troops. There are 4.5 weeks for this!!!

If you have some space left for tools then send ladder or rams ( in the middle) to increase your winning chances.

We might help a bit more if you could provide some spy report screenshots

Regards,
dos santos

triangle

hm... Interesting. I was not so much aiming for any specific battle, as I will clearly have to win many in order to attain the goal I have set myself. The martyr idea had not occurred to me, but I had noticed that the defense of these guys seems to be rather polarized. May I ask how many tablets one can expect to gain from each camp lvl? It seems foolish to me to attack the lower lvl if one gets a lower loss/tablet ratio from it.

triangle

to take an example, a lvl60 camp has roughly 700 guys in it, with a commander that gives them +50%melee/ranged. A lvl70 has 1000 troops in it, but the commander gives +70% ranged/melee bonus. A lvl80 however, has 1300 troops in it but has the same commander as the lvl70 camp. Therefore the increase in strength between levels decreases, and if the number of tablets gained increases evenly then the lvl80 camp has a higher tablets/camp strength ratio.

SadhappyRuler (ASIA1)

triangle wrote: »

hm... Interesting. I was not so much aiming for any specific battle, as I will clearly have to win many in order to attain the goal I have set myself. The martyr idea had not occurred to me, but I had noticed that the defense of these guys seems to be rather polarized. May I ask how many tablets one can expect to gain from each camp lvl? It seems foolish to me to attack the lower lvl if one gets a lower loss/tablet ratio from it.

YOu must be having 4 waves if you can think about lvl 80 camps. YOu spy on them. The higher levels have more amount of tools. So you will need to use better tools or better commander.

fujiwara (GB1)

The top camps are pure silliness. I'm probably going to be going for level 60 / 70 camps this time and see how it goes ... but seriously, this is a ruby event to really farm now

Kito2

it all boils down to careful use of tools (more imp. the manlets) and usage of matyrs wave

pajeg2 (GB1)

fujiwara wrote: »

The top camps are pure silliness. I'm probably going to be going for level 60 / 70 camps this time and see how it goes ... but seriously, this is a ruby event to really farm now

80 are better



90 range 114.8 wall 47.8 door commander

Rdrnnr

pajeg wrote: »

80 are better



90 range 114.8 wall 47.8 door commander

How welll does that commander do using only resource tools?

SadhappyRuler (ASIA1)

Well, the higher you go, the more difficult it gets to counter enemy bonuses. If you use the nomad hunter then you should only go for 80's as you need to face only 19 ranged defense power. If you use only resource tools on that attack, get atleast 250 loses. Also, your commander isn't what everyone has. Level 80's are total waste you hit them only once for the achivement

pajeg2 (GB1)

Rdrnnr wrote: »

How welll does that commander do using only resource tools?

if there are no range tool, i can put the wall and range at 0% with wood tools
if there are range tools on the flanks, twice more loss if the setup is not too bad
if there are 2 range tools at the door, i use blue mantle, the troops i saved will do more rubies than that on fortress

SadhappyRuler (ASIA1)

pajeg wrote: »

if there are no range tool, i can put the wall and range at 0% with wood tools
if there are range tools on the flanks, twice more loss if the setup is not too bad
if there are 2 range tools at the door, i use blue mantle, the troops i saved will do more rubies than that on fortress

Well, you know, most of the players here are non ruby players & they can surely think for a better setup than to buy ruby mantlets on NPC's! And, how many will you use? As a non ruby buyer? 15 per attack, then in 10 attacks, you use 150. 2400 rubies for 10 attacks! A non ruby buyer would rather save for the bakery! And, on higher levels, you can't use martyrs so you might end up using 500 per attack! seriously? Think as a non ruby buyer who farms 250 rubies per day.

Rdrnnr

pajeg wrote: »

if there are no range tool, i can put the wall and range at 0% with wood tools
if there are range tools on the flanks, twice more loss if the setup is not too bad
if there are 2 range tools at the door, i use blue mantle, the troops i saved will do more rubies than that on fortress

The math doesn't add up on this. There are 40 tool slots, even with no defense tools ranged is at 170% which takes 34 wood mantlets, leaving 6 tools slots. You would have to have a commander with 100% wall, as well as the 90% ranged, to get through this flank with wood tools and minimal losses; and that is only if the the majority of the defenders are ranged. How many people other than you have one of those?

And the gate, as you mentioned, can only be gotten through with ruby tools, without huge losses...

So level 80 nomads are for ruby players only, and aren't long-term doable by non-buyers.

pajeg2 (GB1)

Rdrnnr wrote: »

The math doesn't add up on this. There are 40 tool slots, even with no defense tools ranged is at 170% which takes 34 wood mantlets, leaving 6 tools slots. You would have to have a commander with 100% wall, as well as the 90% ranged, to get through this flank with wood tools and minimal losses

you can see that commander above

many player have 90 range 90 mele commanders, if they have that, they can have a 90 range 120 wall commander