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Suggestion & Criticism - Coop Championship must be changed

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  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 29.08.2015
    SirGeorge wrote: »
    "hard work". ::insert rolling eyes here:: Easy! Let's keep things in perspective, this is a game, no one is digging trenches.

    By hard work you mean entering in their credit card information on the payment screen and spending the gold to buy collectibles and pushing egg harvests.

    Carry on.

    If you are referring to my comment, Sir George, then no. The hard work I'm talking about is how to recruit and keep together a large group of successful farmers. There is no way to do that with just a credit card. Unless you are suggesting the leadership there is paying their farmers in gold?

    -Y
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 29.08.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    If you are referring to my comment, Sir George, then no. The hard work I'm talking about is how to recruit and keep together a large group of successful farmers. There is no way to do that with just a credit card. Unless you are suggesting the leadership there is paying their farmers in gold?

    -Y
    Yakoska, for heaven sake, wake up, please. Sir George is so much on the money that it's not funny. He is 100% right and you can see that in almost every mission one does: Players are pushing like crazy with gold. Also, isn't it funny that we are, during the competition, flooded with Gold buying offers? Furthermore, isn't it equally funny to see that Top co-ops members are mostly (not all, I said mostly) painted in BLUE?

    Sorry to burst your balloon but Sir George is correct on every single word he has said and if one is not willing to do that, well so sorry, you won't make it to the top. How do you think we can maintain our position with now and sadly only 9 members? Do you think it's because of my exceptional qualities of leadership?

    No my friend... it's a 4 letter word : VISA.

    Have a great day nonetheless,

    IO
  • rocnrobn (US1)rocnrobn (US1) US1 Posts: 259
    edited 29.08.2015
    How about a NO GOLD co op challenge?

    Then maybe you all can prove your point!!!...LOL
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 29.08.2015
    Yakoska, for heaven sake, wake up, please. Sir George is so much on the money that it's not funny. He is 100% right and you can see that in almost every mission one does: Players are pushing like crazy with gold. Also, isn't it funny that we are, during the competition, flooded with Gold buying offers? Furthermore, isn't it equally funny to see that Top co-ops members are mostly (not all, I said mostly) painted in BLUE?

    Sorry to burst your balloon but Sir George is correct on every single word he has said and if one is not willing to do that, well so sorry, you won't make it to the top. How do you think we can maintain our position with now and sadly only 9 members? Do you think it's because of my exceptional qualities of leadership?

    No my friend... it's a 4 letter word : VISA.

    Have a great day nonetheless,

    IO

    Again.. You and He may be referring to Gold use in the Co-op challenge. I am not. My point is entirely about the hard work involved in creating, running, maintaining the top Co-op in a given server. I have made no point at all regarding gold use in missions or Co-op success, except to say, that my point has nothing to do with that aspect of the game. It doesn't mean I'm blind to gold use. It means that gold use has no bearing at all on my point. :)

    -Y
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 29.08.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    Again.. You and He may be referring to Gold use in the Co-op challenge. I am not. My point is entirely about the hard work involved in creating, running, maintaining the top Co-op in a given server. I have made no point at all regarding gold use in missions or Co-op success, except to say, that my point has nothing to do with that aspect of the game. It doesn't mean I'm blind to gold use. It means that gold use has no bearing at all on my point. :)

    -Y
    Yakoska,

    I'm sorry but again I must question myself on your ability to read English. Sir George and I have not ONLY mentioned that gold was used during missions but also during normal operation to make the co-op climb up the ranks faster. Has nothing to do with Leadership or so very little. It's all "maintenance work" and that is pretty much it.

    From what I can read between the lines of your post is some sort of self-glorification on your part for being the Leader of your co-op that has reached Rank#9. Again, sorry to burst your balloon but the success of a co-op is NOT due to its leader but rather by the dedication, implication and collective effort by all members. Also, it is due to the willingness of some players to dish out that VISA and buy gold and push. Please do not insult our intelligence by saying otherwise and NO, you cannot take that "aspect" of the game out of the equation because it supports your fallacious arguments. I'm sorry, but gold is a major part of the game and GGS made sure it would remain that way, whether you admit it or not.

    'nough said!

    IO
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 30.08.2015
    SirGeorge wrote: »
    "hard work". ::insert rolling eyes here:: Easy! Let's keep things in perspective, this is a game, no one is digging trenches.

    By hard work you mean entering in their credit card information on the payment screen and spending the gold to buy collectibles and pushing egg harvests.

    Carry on.

    This is the reason why I was very much against the reputation buying hot deal. Groups like mine who won the apple orchard through team work and playing mission after mission after mission..........after mission.........have now had their achievements cheapened because coops are now buying wins.

    I rarely agree with Yakoska but he/she does make good points in this thread. Not all high ranking coops sit there gold skipping everything to push into top rankings. It took my group almost 2 years to get to 4th with so much mental energy used to recruit the right people and develop a team that works well together. Leaders who have many members in their team will know that more often than not there will be conflicts between members, bullying, drama etc and that is HARD to manage.

    Sure there are groups that just gold buy/skip everything so george also has a point but coops that worked their way up the ranks properly will take offence to that comment, including me.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 30.08.2015
    Yakoska,

    I'm sorry but again I must question myself on your ability to read English. Sir George and I have not ONLY mentioned that gold was used during missions but also during normal operation to make the co-op climb up the ranks faster. Has nothing to do with Leadership or so very little. It's all "maintenance work" and that is pretty much it.

    From what I can read between the lines of your post is some sort of self-glorification on your part for being the Leader of your co-op that has reached Rank#9. Again, sorry to burst your balloon but the success of a co-op is NOT due to its leader but rather by the dedication, implication and collective effort by all members. Also, it is due to the willingness of some players to dish out that VISA and buy gold and push. Please do not insult our intelligence by saying otherwise and NO, you cannot take that "aspect" of the game out of the equation because it supports your fallacious arguments. I'm sorry, but gold is a major part of the game and GGS made sure it would remain that way, whether you admit it or not.

    'nough said!

    IO

    Let me be absolutely clear. Not that I haven't been already, in my opinion.

    My Co-op use to be 6th. I am in no way glorifying myself. I am merely praising those better at it than I am.

    And there is a lot of hard work in building and maintaining a co-op that does not involve Gold. If you do not believe me, I invite you to try it. :)

    -Y

    Edit> And not that I read back, you aren't so much offering data to refute my arguments as trying to impeach the source (me in this case) of the counter argument. Which is a time honored, but not very civilized, mode of attack.
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 30.08.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    Let me be absolutely clear. Not that I haven't been already, in my opinion.

    My Co-op use to be 6th. I am in no way glorifying myself. I am merely praising those better at it than I am.

    And there is a lot of hard work in building and maintaining a co-op that does not involve Gold. If you do not believe me, I invite you to try it. :)

    -Y

    Edit> And not that I read back, you aren't so much offering data to refute my arguments as trying to impeach the source (me in this case) of the counter argument. Which is a time honored, but not very civilized, mode of attack.
    Whatever...

    <EDIT> By the way, for a person inviting me to play NOT using gold, if I were you, I'd use a bit of caution. I visited your 3 farms and here's what I found:

    Water Towers on all of them
    Workshop on most
    Gold upgraded stuff
    Blue houses
    At least 5 bridges and 5 cozy swings that can ONLY be obtained by spending gold during the gold spending offers.
    Etc.... I could go on.... like your 2 Blue Barns for example....

    I rest my case. Looks like your mouth says one thing, but your actions demonstrate the opposite... which is another demo of your fallacious preaching. You use gold like any other co-op which is fine by me. What I find insulting is that you're trying to make us believe that you don't, or at the very best, and that's me being lenient with you, say that one doesn't have to.

    Based on the above facts, I prefer to end this discussion with you now before ...
  • Sophie423 (US1)Sophie423 (US1) Posts: 57
    edited 30.08.2015
    In my opinion the entire mission challenge needs a total, complete, all-out, thoroughgoing change. Start over, a re-do, make-over. I think you know what I mean.
  • monica1230 (US1)monica1230 (US1) Posts: 370
    edited 30.08.2015
    Saying a co-op should sit out or be made to sit out isn't fair either. Players in the group change, who wants to tell new members sorry you missed it we won't be or are not allowed to win it again. Yes the fully expanded co-ops have a advantage but they also worked to get where they are. We spent our money (farm dollars and gold) to get research done and save up for the boosters. We work to keep our teams strong. We are not going to say no sorry you can't join us because that co-op over there needs some bigger farms. It is a GAME. The Challenge is what it is, and we play it as it is given to us, just like all the other parts of the game. Some choose to not do the islands or do a scaled back version, others go all out. Some do weekly events other sit out. It is all a choice. We enjoy the challenge so we work together as a team to see how long it takes to get to the trophy. If part of the co-op chooses to sit out or has life events that keep them away we roll with it, 9 zeros as of this posting. If gg changes the challenge so be it but the constant attacks on the co-ops that do well and the pranking and nasty messages seem wrong. If you wouldn't talk to someone like that face to face why is it ok to do it here? If you would, well I guess I would do as I usually do on the forum, walk away and stop listening/reading.
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 30.08.2015
    Sophie4232 wrote: »
    In my opinion the entire mission challenge needs a total, complete, all-out, thoroughgoing change. Start over, a re-do, make-over. I think you know what I mean.
    Absolutely 100% agree with you. Coming from the leader of Ranked #5 co-op speaks very LOUD.

    Cheers Sophie!

    IO :)
  • Angie6704 (US1)Angie6704 (US1) Posts: 25
    edited 01.09.2015
    Great Suggestion but tese [Insult Removed] developers seem not to care or listen to us. We have been complaining forever about this and NOTHING!!!!!! Maybe if we all stop playing and go on strike when they have the coop challenge they will listen to the little ppl that soesnt want to play with gold and want rewarded too. I mean lets have a level playing feild here. This coop that is winnning has a lot of memebers but when you are a small growing coop how can you compete. ITS NOT FAIR. I dont play and nor does a lot of ppl in the coop I am in. We have lost members to bigger coops cause we could not compete and win what they were after.

    SUGESTION:
    1. DIVIDE THE COOPS INTO DIFFERENT LEVELS

    2. EITHER NOT ALLOW GOLD TO BE USED DURING THE CHALLENGE OR HAVE 2 CHALLENGES 1 TO USE GOLD AND 1 NOT TO USE GOLD

    Until changes are made I will not do this challenge except to earn money and points for the quest on doing missions

    Whatever...

    <EDIT> By the way, for a person inviting me to play NOT using gold, if I were you, I'd use a bit of caution. I visited your 3 farms and here's what I found:

    Water Towers on all of them
    Workshop on most
    Gold upgraded stuff
    Blue houses
    At least 5 bridges and 5 cozy swings that can ONLY be obtained by spending gold during the gold spending offers.
    Etc.... I could go on.... like your 2 Blue Barns for example....

    I rest my case. Looks like your mouth says one thing, but your actions demonstrate the opposite... which is another demo of your fallacious preaching. You use gold like any other co-op which is fine by me. What I find insulting is that you're trying to make us believe that you don't, or at the very best, and that's me being lenient with you, say that one doesn't have to.

    Based on the above facts, I prefer to end this discussion with you now before ...

    I have used gold to put several things on my farm and to upgrade things on my farm, but I do not believe in using on missions to win every time. I myself get some gold at the first of the month IF I CAN AFFORD IT. If I cant I don't do this. There are a lot of ppl that cant afford the gold that deserve the same chance as everybody else playing certain parts of the game. All we are saying is level up the playing field some. So if you have a problem with ppl voicing their opinion maybe you don't need to be playing or reading the forum because everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. its called freedom of speech. So as my mom says GET OVER IT CAUSE YOU ARE OUT NUMBERED.

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 01.09.2015
    Angie6704 wrote: »
    I have used gold to put several things on my farm and to upgrade things on my farm, but I do not believe in using on missions to win every time. I myself get some gold at the first of the month IF I CAN AFFORD IT. If I cant I don't do this. There are a lot of ppl that cant afford the gold that deserve the same chance as everybody else playing certain parts of the game. All we are saying is level up the playing field some. So if you have a problem with ppl voicing their opinion maybe you don't need to be playing or reading the forum because everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. its called freedom of speech. So as my mom says GET OVER IT CAUSE YOU ARE OUT NUMBERED.
    Why don't you read all the posts I made in this thread and realize that I am basically saying the very same as you are! Your "mom" should have also told you TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE ATTACKING SOMEONE. And besides, that reply was not meant for you but Yakoska.

    Last but not least, use Multi-quote feature and do not double post. Guess your mom forgot to tell you about that one too.

    Have a great day nonetheless,

    IO
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 01.09.2015
    Why don't you read all the posts I made in this thread and realize that I am basically saying the very same as you are! Your "mom" should have also told you TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE ATTACKING SOMEONE. And besides, that reply was not meant for you but Yakoska.

    Last but not least, use Multi-quote feature and do not double post. Guess your mom forgot to tell you about that one too.

    Have a great day nonetheless,

    IO

    As for facts straight: You took my statement: "And there is a lot of hard work in building and maintaining a co-op that does not involve Gold." As anti-gold sentiment.... somehow. Not at all, let me explain what this simple sentence means. It means there is a lot of hard work involved in building and maintaining a co-op. :)

    The "that does not involve gold" was tacked on, in context, because of the post I was replying to, in which you state the top co-ops' successes: "is due to the willingness of some players to dish out that VISA and buy gold and push."

    Clear now?

    My point in this thread has been, and remains despite efforts to distract me: The idea that there needs to be some kind of system to 'normalize' the prize structure to allow small co-ops to compete with big co-ops is tantamount to dismissing the effort, and hard work those co-ops have put in to being #1. There is already a mechanism for competing with the top co-ops in place! Work hard, build a better co-op. Win.

    -Y
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 02.09.2015
    If I can wade through all the testosterone......

    It would be great if they changed/updated the prizes. It is harder and harder, each time, to motivate people toward the same tired set of prizes.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 02.09.2015
    gavinfarms wrote: »
    If I can wade through all the testosterone......

    It would be great if they changed/updated the prizes. It is harder and harder, each time, to motivate people toward the same tired set of prizes.

    Leaving the awkward first part alone...

    I agree with the sentiment of the second part... but I can't think of any part of Big Farm that has rotating prizes.. and yet people do them over and over. So I can't see that changing. On the other hand, you have the new Nature prizes... and ostensibly other even prizes. So while that's not a case of every changing prizes... they are updating... two years later. So maybe there is hope.

    -Y
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    edited 03.09.2015
    Let the winners take the trophies and award the orchards to ALL co-ops who complete all 50 levels.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 03.09.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    Leaving the awkward first part alone...

    I agree with the sentiment of the second part... but I can't think of any part of Big Farm that has rotating prizes.. and yet people do them over and over. So I can't see that changing. On the other hand, you have the new Nature prizes... and ostensibly other even prizes. So while that's not a case of every changing prizes... they are updating... two years later. So maybe there is hope.

    -Y
    That was a reference to the fight above.

    They updated the HW rewards after one run through. The HW rewards are better than the CC, which seems in reverse of how it ought to be. The CC rewards should be bigger. And, at least in my coop, the collectibles draw a big yawn. And the premium stuff should all be changed to super stuff. Prem cow feed should be super cow feed, etc..
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 03.09.2015
    Let the winners take the trophies and award the orchards to ALL co-ops who complete all 50 levels.

    There's the solution to all the bickering. Everyone will eventually have one with the current setup because there simply isnt enough room on our farms for a large number of orchards. I already have 5 coop cherries sitting in my storage gathering dust.
  • Let the trophies be high value deco and let everyone work for the upgraded orchards. Would certainly add incentive for co-ops to participate. As it stands, my little 16 farm co-op shuts it down at about level 32. Way too much work for a few collectibles beyond that.
  • Oh my, dear oh dear. I posted some time ago in regard to thread re:buying gold. I commented - more fool you. I received a number of negative replies. No, more like abuse.
    My comment obviously (?) got lost in the universal translation.
    My point being, as we all know, Bigfarm has a gliche....or two. 
    Missions, I do win when competing against BLUE farmers.
    This thread is becoming a cat fight.
    Live, laugh, play, be happy.
    :):) X

  • We have a mixed co-op..some compete in the mission competition and some don't..so i suggest that only the players with points on the board should get the prizes and not the lazy ones that let their fellow members do the hard work for them knowing that they will get a prize for doing nothing...
  • Kleine Jan (NL1)Kleine Jan (NL1) NL1 Posts: 283
    Hello nicolas Freeriders you have and will have in any Co-Op.
    The only thing you can do is the hardcore Freerider,kick out of the coop temporaly during the C-C and let that player come back after the C-C. 
    However there are players wich have a reallife in the real world and cannot play the same way as you play.
    I agree it is ot fair,but it the way it is. My coop feeling tells me that we all have to do some missions.
    After all every RP-Point countsfor the coop.And i never forget i had a small big farm also a long time ago

    Goodluck and succes with the C-C 
  • adoptapet (US1)adoptapet (US1) Posts: 1,760
    edited 19.09.2015
    Hello nicolas Freeriders you have and will have in any Co-Op.
    The only thing you can do is the hardcore Freerider,kick out of the coop temporaly during the C-C and let that player come back after the C-C. 
    However there are players wich have a reallife in the real world and cannot play the same way as you play.
    I agree it is ot fair,but it the way it is. My coop feeling tells me that we all have to do some missions.
    After all every RP-Point countsfor the coop.And i never forget i had a small big farm also a long time ago

    Goodluck and succes with the C-C 
    It is wise to remove non-contributors during the challenge, as one's cooperative will pay extra for each "useless" player for the boosters.  Check Larinos corner for the costs.  I believe some remove themselves voluntarily during the event: good for them.
  • I agree too.
  • adoptapet (US1)adoptapet (US1) Posts: 1,760
    edited 07.10.2015
    I sincerely think the Cooperative Competition/Challenge should be postponed until all issues with the videos are fixed. 

    Those with working videos will have a Definite unfair advantage over those without and those whose videos do not work.

    Edited to add:  and being "unbalanced" is always GGS's excuse for not applying the suggestions we make, roflmbo


    Post edited by adoptapet (US1) on
  • Nother Challenge UGH, videos not fixed and old bugs returning. 

    Oh what fun it Used to Be to Play the Farming Game, sigh.
  • adoptapet, remember the soon to be famous joke, opps of course i meant quote, " everything else would indeed be super unfair and that's usually not how we do things in Big Farm " 
    Now let us look at a few details, we "usually" get drop items from our building, sometimes this is at a rate of 5 - 1, just 20%. So using that same criteria do GGS do super unfair things at the same rate super unfair 80% fair 20% .
    Let us all wait and see how many problems we get during this challenge... anyone taking bets on some downtime. ? william hill have it as odds on 
  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341

    Is there really any point in doing the challenge?  I know that not everyone has won a cherry orchard, but you could say the same for not winning the apple orchard or the co-operative statue.  And to be honest the rewards are not that great during the event either, even for lower level players.

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