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Update Aug 4th - The Market - Feedback and Questions

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  • edited 18.08.2015
    All done for everyone except you, they knew how much you wanted to keep all your flower contracts, so they left yours as it is.
    Giving-Flowers.gif


    I've been online all night on US1 and I have not seen any update yet. I don't know how I could have missed it.

    Steffi, please confirm. Has the Update been completed on US1 yet? Thank You
  • White _Doves (US1)White _Doves (US1) Posts: 1,200
    edited 18.08.2015
    US1 just now gone down
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 18.08.2015
    Kamilcom wrote: »
    After a few more data taken I can confirm that just a single contract decline reduced the level of that contract type by 1 to 4 points.

    (...)

    Also there was a claim that dollars payed for contracts is always a bit higher then direct sale with co-op bonuses included (not sure if it was you or latten and couldn't find the post quickly enough). Empirical data seem to suggest that it's not true for contracts including other rewards together with dollars.

    (...)

    It would still be better to show what percentage exactly they offer at any given time then just blindly click and see. Would you consider that change?

    The ratio of bonuses and maluses for up- and downgrades of contract levels may vary depending on contract types and playstyle (player activity in general).

    According to our Balancers, you should always be able to make up for a declined contract by finishing another of the same type. If you lose up to 4 points by declining a contract, how many points do you earn by finished contract?

    I'll poke them again to see if everything works as intended.


    Additional rewards aside from dollars of course also have significant value. If you sell your goods via the market, you should either get more dollars than the selling process through the farm management would give or additional bonuses (e.g. Karma, Horseshoes) as these are worth far more than regular dollars.
    gavinfarms wrote: »
    The update has not occurred yet......correct? Anyone?

    It just starteeeeeeeeeed!
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 18.08.2015
    * Waiting for the update
    There's nothing left to do.
    I haven't been this happy
    since the end of Horse Tournament II.

    Nothing left to do
    when you know that you've been taken.
    Nothing left to do
    when you're begging for a crumb(step 4 fairy tale event)
    Nothing left to do
    when you've got to go on waiting
    waiting for the update to come.*

    listening to some oldies till maintenance finishes :whistling:

    p.s. @Latten, Nafaru: any estimate on how long the update will take btw?
  • edited 18.08.2015
    US1 just now gone down

    Yes, I am down for the Update now too on US1. :)
  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 18.08.2015
    It would appear that there are also different levels of 'extra' income for the contracts. I have seen 3-4% mentioned very often in the forum, but every single contract that I have calculated the selling prices for has had just under 5% extra ('just under' meaning around 4.9999...%).

    As for the different 'currencies' (horseshoes, karma etc.) then these too have a dollar value which is part of the selling price - although the items are earning fewer dollars than the normal selling price the contract is not making a loss but is being paid partly in dollars and partly in other currencies. (Edit - Steffi beat me to it)
  • Tinzen (SKN1)Tinzen (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 473
    edited 18.08.2015
    Is it just me, or do u have to push the little button in order to change farms? That would be pretty annoying in the long run.

    And a small edit, I cant ctrl + F5 in the game, but I can everywhere else.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 18.08.2015
    Steffi,
    The "newspaper" screen at login has changed. Before, it said that at the next update we would be getting new decos for the weekly events. That is now gone. Will that still be in the next update with this new mystery box feature?
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 18.08.2015
    How much time should pass between each neighbor? I have seen only one, right at the reload.

    Also, while it does appear that flower shop items are less, there is a greater presence of absurd quantities, such as 3000 aloe vera plants, etc. And also, absurd quantities in groups (such as 6000 apples + 2000 almonds + 4000 milk). Perhaps this is intended?
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 18.08.2015
    So far I've had 1 visitor, shortly after the reload. 27 vanilla.. I took sold it to him.

    I also have a contract for 15,000+ milk (which I will do) though I don't know if my contracts are 'new' or not yet. As I was offline before the update... and I know at least one contract (That I had donated partial to) was still there. And I shipped two off, before I signed off last time.

    -Y

    edit> But I have 2 coming in 8 mins that I am eager to see.
  • edited 18.08.2015
    gavinfarms wrote: »
    Steffi,
    The "newspaper" screen at login has changed. Before, it said that at the next update we would be getting new decos for the weekly events. That is now gone. Will that still be in the next update with this new mystery box feature?

    Not only that, but the descriptions below the photo was all messed up too, then all my graphics got really grainy, a neighbor wanted 83 donkeys and it said I had 83/83 donkeys and I have 2100, nothing worked when I clicked on it, so cleared cashes, shut down and rebooted my computer.X(

    Now the news description is ok, but the one is still missing and has been replaced with the 2 new ones.
    My Ship is here and sitting on the grass as are the other boats, the boarder around the market is gone, and there are no pathways-roads around the farm! Donkey neighbor is gone.X(

    The bugs are getting ridiculous! LOL, LOL, LOL X( Will try another reboot!

    Edit: after another reboot, things were still the same, then decided to fill the ship anyway and sent it off, then the water appeared. Logged off and back on and water, roads and Market border are back. :)
  • PSICOLIX (BR1)PSICOLIX (BR1) Posts: 250
    edited 18.08.2015
    Nafaru wrote: »
    The ratio of bonuses and maluses for up- and downgrades of contract levels may vary depending on contract types and playstyle (player activity in general).

    According to our Balancers, you should always be able to make up for a declined contract by finishing another of the same type. If you lose up to 4 points by declining a contract, how many points do you earn by finished contract?

    I'll poke them again to see if everything works as intended.

    Please do, because thats not a small percentage, i found out thats about 35%. and i refuse 80% of my contracts(because they ask for things that i don't want to sell or produce)
  • DoomDark (US1)DoomDark (US1) INT1 Posts: 25
    edited 18.08.2015
    Well, one parasite..sorry, neighbour just crawled up wanting 1950 honey. So looks like your bugfix wasn't a total success.

    DoomDark
  • edited 18.08.2015
    I just made a spreadsheet to keep track of things on my market. I have my first 2 contracts.

    1. Standard, Tree Nursery, O, Asking for Olive Oil #332 (1,460 in my storage) for $18,475 (0 under that)

    Farm Price for selling Olive Oil is $53 per unit

    53 x 332 = $17,596

    Farm Price $17,596 - Contract Price $18,475 = $879 profit!!! :)


    2. Standard, University, 0, Asking for Pigs #678 (660 in my storage) for $5,695 (0 under that)

    Farm Price for Pigs is $8 per unit *** yes, my screens say $8 for selling pigs!

    8 x 678 = $5,424

    Farm Price $5,424 - Contract Price $5,695 = $271 PROFIT!!!! :)

    I edited the post because I had used the buying price for the items which showed a loss and with using the correct selling price, there is a profit!:)

    ***Thanks to Duffy Poo for correcting me. I need some sleep!!! :sleeping:
  • William Robert (US1)William Robert (US1) US1 Posts: 367
    edited 18.08.2015
    DuffyKid wrote: »
    see progress towards the next contract level. "

    I must be blind, I can't find anything about progress towards contract levels. Can anyone explain this or point me towards a guide for the Organic Market?
  • enochnock (US1)enochnock (US1) Posts: 878
    edited 18.08.2015
    Craftycritters I think you have the "Buy & Sell" prices mixed up. My selling price for pigs is $9.00 my selling price for olive oil is $53.00.
  • CathyD (INT1)CathyD (INT1) INT1 Posts: 958
    edited 18.08.2015
    I just made a spreadsheet to keep track of things on my market. I have my first 2 contracts.

    1. Standard, Tree Nursery, O, Asking for Olive Oil #332 (1,460 in my storage) for $18,475 (0 under that)

    Farm Price for Olive Oil is 530 per unit

    530 x 332 = $175,960

    Farm Price $175,960 - Contract Price $18,475 = $157,485 LOSS!!!!!! X(


    2. Standard, University, 0, Asking for Pigs #678 (660 in my storage) for $5,695 (0 under that)

    Farm Price for Pigs is $50 per unit

    50 x 678 = $33,900

    Farm Price $33,900 - Contract Price $5,695 = $28,205 LOSS!!!! X(

    I believe that this Market "fix" is a complete FAILURE!!!! X( WHAT A RIP-OFF! X(

    I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE MARKET UNTIL IT IS FIXED RIGHT!!!! AND WILL ADVISE MY CO-OP MEMBERS TO DO THE SAME!
    X(

    You're looking at the PURCHASE price for olive oil. You should be checking the selling price which is $53 for a total of $17,596 or $879 profit for you plus about 5% for you 0 level contract.

    Selling price for pigs is $9 not $50.
  • CathyD (INT1)CathyD (INT1) INT1 Posts: 958
    edited 18.08.2015
    Again, you are looking at the purchase price, not the selling price, which is $35 per unit. The only time there is a loss as to normal selling price is when there is another reward (horseshoes, karma, XP) included as part of the amount you are being paid.
  • edited 18.08.2015
    Thanks DuffyPoo! I will edit my post. I've been up all night and this update got off to a bad start with me. I think I'll go to bed not and work on this later. Sorry All!
  • MollieGlitch (US1)MollieGlitch (US1) US1 Posts: 48
    edited 18.08.2015
    Finally, I'm getting walk-ups and more than two contracts! Thanks!!
  • edited 18.08.2015
    For those who missed my edit, here's my correction, Thanks to Duffypoo!

    I just made a spreadsheet to keep track of things on my market. I have my first 2 contracts.

    1. Standard, Tree Nursery, O, Asking for Olive Oil #332 (1,460 in my storage) for $18,475 (0 under that)

    Farm Price for selling Olive Oil is $53 per unit

    53 x 332 = $17,596

    Farm Price $17,596 - Contract Price $18,475 = $879 profit!!! :)


    2. Standard, University, 0, Asking for Pigs #678 (660 in my storage) for $5,695 (0 under that)

    Farm Price for Pigs is $8 per unit *** yes, my screens say $8 for selling pigs!

    8 x 678 = $5,424

    Farm Price $5,424 - Contract Price $5,695 = $271 PROFIT!!!! :)

    I edited the post because I had used the buying price for the items which showed a loss and with using the correct selling price, there is a profit!:)

    ***Thanks to Duffy Poo for correcting me. I need some sleep!!! :sleeping:
    enochnock wrote: »
    Craftycritters I think you have the "Buy & Sell" prices mixed up. My selling price for pigs is $9.00 my selling price for olive oil is $53.00.

    Thanks to you too, I saw Duffypoos msg. 1st. But why are your pigs $9 and mine are $8? and I double checked it too!! :)

    Steffi, please comment...

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • MRG1 (US1)MRG1 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,554
    edited 18.08.2015
    I am glad the neighbours' requests are more reasonable, but they are still too close to the farm. Accidentally sold a whackload of humus while trying to switch farms, and didn't even see the asking price. ;(
    The neighbour was happy at least. :S
  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 18.08.2015
    Thanks to you too, I saw Duffypoos msg. 1st. But why are your pigs $9 and mine are $8? and I double checked it too!! :)

    Steffi, please comment...

    The Healthier Pigs research gives you $8 at level 3 and $9 at level 4
  • Mina0o (INT1)Mina0o (INT1) Posts: 1,309
    edited 18.08.2015
    Selling price for pigs is $9 not $50.
    Thanks to you too, I saw Duffypoos msg. 1st. But why are your pigs $9 and mine are $8? and I double checked it too!! :)

    Steffi, please comment...

    Maybe it has something to do with your cooperatives research? Researching "Healthier pigs" let's you sell your pork chops (sorry, couldn't resist. Shame on me!) for more dollars..

    Edit: Hodor was faster!
  • Dara (SKN1)Dara (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 2,638
    edited 18.08.2015
    Thanks to you too, I saw Duffypoos msg. 1st. But why are your pigs $9 and mine are $8? and I double checked it too!! :)

    Steffi, please comment...

    Have your co'op done the last pig research? If not, selling price is only 8.

    edit...(am i slow??? ;))
  • edited 18.08.2015
    Now, I really don't understand this. I filled the Olive Oil contract and sent the truck on it's way and got a cool down period!!!

    Why did I get a cool down penalty for a contract that I filled?

    I filled the pig contract and sent the truck on it's way and got another contract as I expected that I should.
    Dara15 wrote: »
    Have your co'op done the last pig research? If not, selling price is only 8.

    edit...(am i slow??? ;))

    No we haven't yet, but that sure helps to clarify how the Research is figured in to the selling price of things! THANK YOU!!!!

    Another question. As I understand it, (feeling really dumb this morning now ;() people have been mentioning an additional bonus of 3-4% above the price for the contracts, where do you see that amount?

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 18.08.2015
    Now, I really don't understand this. I filled the Olive Oil contract and sent the truck on it's way and got a cool down period!!!

    Why did I get a cool down penalty for a contract that I filled?

    I filled the pig contract and sent the truck on it's way and got another contract as I expected that I should.

    There's only 1 or 2 contracts left without cool down even if you fill all 2/4/6 of them. Cool down is normal function of contracts. After filling the first 1/3/4 (depending on the market level) contract you can only oscilate remaining 1 or 2 contracts, untill you decline them.

    So you get 6 contracts, fill them all, 4 go into cooldown, two are new. You fill them two, get another two. You fill one, decline other, get 1 new ........ etc. (it's 3 out of 4 and 1 out of 2 into cool down for OM L2 and 1 respectivelly).

    Or in other words, using Anouncement wording, there's 1 guarantied contract for L1 and L2, two guarantied contracts for L3, unless you decline them.
  • enochnock (US1)enochnock (US1) Posts: 878
    edited 18.08.2015
    Thanks everyone for helping Craftycritters with the research amount for pigs.

    Craftycritters I wasn't ignoring you I got kicked off the game.


    Now...

    I have an offer for Vanilla 254 and giving me $19,241.00 I will make a profit of $191.00, doesn't seem like a good profit to me though.
  • edited 18.08.2015
    Neighbor wants to give me $1,441 for 46 milk


    Regular price for milk is $31/unit x 46 = $1,426

    $15 Profit :) Small profit, but still a profit. :)
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 18.08.2015
    Nafaru wrote: »
    The ratio of bonuses and maluses for up- and downgrades of contract levels may vary depending on contract types and playstyle (player activity in general).

    According to our Balancers, you should always be able to make up for a declined contract by finishing another of the same type. If you lose up to 4 points by declining a contract, how many points do you earn by finished contract?

    I'll poke them again to see if everything works as intended.


    Additional rewards aside from dollars of course also have significant value. If you sell your goods via the market, you should either get more dollars than the selling process through the farm management would give or additional bonuses (e.g. Karma, Horseshoes) as these are worth far more than regular dollars.
    !

    The point's earned are roughly the same as points lost, sometimes zero points earned after fulfilling several contracts, that's why I suggested roughly 1 to 1 ratio in my previous post. Which is far more then anounced "little" regress...... For more specific conclusion I'd need much larger pool of data to draw from. And since every contract type behaves differently using who knows what criteria it's not likely that I'll spend all that time needed for observation, data gathering and analysis. Or does GGS want to put me on their paylist?

    The bottom line of all my digging into the OM functionality and posting about it is my growing impression that it is a looser. In simplification for clarity, OM expect us to waste loads of dollars to get some presumably punny HS or Karma points in future, provided we keep wasting our dollars continuously on non profitable sales to keep the contracts high level enough to even get these special rewards. Which might be interesting for players with dollar overflow, but hardly for those who still struggle for dollars to develop their farms. So another 100+ level feature? If a player goes only for profitable contracts they decline majority of them. Yet declining more then 50 % (rough estimate and depending on play style) ineviteably throws the market into recession and slowly or swiftly bringing all contracts back down to zero, causing the loss of all the contract progress gained when non profitable contracts were fulfilled more generously.

    It's not a complete assesment as for example customers are different story. Just bringing to your awareness that the balancing might be a bit or a lot out of line, depending on what you wanted to accomplish with this feature. In short, great feature, but not very profitable at present state.
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