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Suggestion & Criticism - Coop Championship must be changed

Pepper Moon (IN1)Pepper Moon (IN1) Posts: 6,684
edited 03.09.2015 in Suggestions
Criticism

If i am not mistaken, there has been 7 coop championships so far? In each championship, the same coop has won the apple orchard each time.

Consequences...

  • Players are leaving co-ops for the apple orchard. Although, few coops lost several players and never came back

The other coops must get a chance to win the apple orchards, cos the same coop has 7 apple orchards. No offense to the winning coop!



Suggestion :

  • If we consider low levels coop, its too much difficult for them to complete all 50 prizes. There should be a rps satisfaction depending on coop levels as we have in silo event. The current one is unfair for 'em.
  • My suggestion is to apple orchard for top 3 coops, atleast. This will keep all interested longer.

There are several coops working whole day and night to win those apple orchards and it would be nice if others could gain one too! Atleast top 3 coops. Our enthusiasm has been less each time the CC appears and is now at zero level.

On that note here is my suggestion...

Top 3 Coops - Apple Orchard
Top 10 coops - Chery Orchard


Could we maybe have a change in the top three prizes? Just a thought.. Opinions? You're more than welcome to comment.
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  • DreamScape Farm (IN1)DreamScape Farm (IN1) IN1 Posts: 58
    edited 15.08.2015
    Very nice suggestion......Manish.....

    indeed you are right....the Co-Op championship should be RELATIVE like with the No Pain No Gain Event

    I would suggest that the Co-Op should be divided as per the Co-Op Level into groups and then the competition be there.



    the suggestion for Top 3 = Apple Orchard & Top 10 = Cherry is Brilliant.


    Also the PRIZES should be changed now....atleast for the higher RP zone ie from 40 to 49......50 is Trophy ofcourse..;-)


    Brilliant Suggestions.....
  • CathyD (INT1)CathyD (INT1) INT1 Posts: 958
    edited 15.08.2015
    May I add to your suggestion? Initially, these championships were about 6 weeks apart. People were getting tired of them at that rate, and wanted a new challenge to replace the CC once in a while (or every other CC).

    Now that they are often less than 3 weeks apart it is just insanity. Please, GGS, spread them out a bit again.
  • edited 15.08.2015
    I agree....
  • Wildcat17Wildcat17 Posts: 1
    edited 15.08.2015
    A Change in Rewards for top ranks in CC seems to be a VERY good suggestion.

    Coops are getting the same rewards over & over again and I think some different kinds of rewards would go a long way.

    I suggest following rewards for top ranks in CC :
    1. Decoration parts (large quantity considering coops have come in top ranks)
    2. 200 Gold reward for each player in top 3 coops in CC


    Co-operative championship :

    While there is an actual fact that only 1 particular coop is coming on top-most rank every time & getting the precious apple orchard, there is no denying that its members must be spending a lot of their time, dollars and maybe gold to come on top. Every game is like that. Nobody can do anything about it.

    What I would like to suggest is, & I agree with Prince Manish here, that GGS should keep the top-most reward for top 3 coops instead of only 1, so some amount of fairness would be shown and coops will try harder henceforth.

    Also, a change in rewards in CC and events would be exciting.
    Thank you all for reading this.

    Wildcat.
  • Bugs (IN1)Bugs (IN1) Posts: 4
    edited 15.08.2015
    Agreed & Endorsed....
  • edited 15.08.2015
    My sentiments, exactly.
    I have about 5 cherry orchards not in use and the current CC is getting kinda monotonous. A change will be simply g8
  • hati (IN1)hati (IN1) IN1 Posts: 5
    edited 15.08.2015
    Agreed!
    Top most reward should be given to top 3 coops.
  • edited 15.08.2015
    I like the idea of a tier system where lower level co-ops compete against their own levels or similar levels, also there needs to be some sort of change as to how the top co-ops play the challenge we come 4th or 5th most times its impossible to come 1st same co-op always wins with over 50 million rp, they might as well just give them the apple orchard at the start and save us the trouble lol, also give us a break on the frequency of these too last one was only 2 weeks after the previous one, once a month is fine anymore and it wont be worth doing as it will mean nothing to take part, there needs to be some sort of change banning use of gold is not going to work cos GGS must make a lot on selling gold boosters and stuff, but a co-op challenge should be based on players skill not how much money they have it would be interesting to see how everyone gets on if gold was banned for one challenge it wouldn't hit GGS's finances much just to try once,
  • Princezz Pratu5Princezz Pratu5 Posts: 8,408
    edited 15.08.2015
    Superb idea! :thumbsup: I totally agree!

    Apple Orchard should be given to the top 3 coops instead of the first one only. It will help us keep our spirits high which unfortunately we are losing with each upcoming CC. Also, at least top 15 coops should get cherry orchard.
  • edited 15.08.2015
    ah but then the one that always wins it wont buy as much gold so I cant see that happening too soon lol
  • ss420 (IN1)ss420 (IN1) IN1 Posts: 50
    edited 15.08.2015
    Agreed...Good suggestion manish.
  • edited 15.08.2015
    ss420 wrote: »
    Agreed...Good suggestion manish.

    i agree because this is totally correct.
  • Vee HarshuVee Harshu Posts: 20
    edited 15.08.2015
    A very good suggestion indeed..atleast the unhealthy competitiveness which few people carry will not be there anymore!smiley-happy036.gif
    Also if they can come-up with or we can suggest some different activities for the CC event would be great. Everytime the same thing gets kinda monotonous...just a suggestion thoughsmiley-ashamed003.gif
  • edited 15.08.2015
    Good suggestion!!
  • Magic (AU1)Magic (AU1) AU1 Posts: 43
    edited 15.08.2015
    Superb suggestions! CC has become monotonous & predictable on our server. There's no motivation to participate any more & only do so for my co-op's sake.

    1. Please think of rewarding the top 3 rank co-ops with apple orchards. (suggested by PrinceManish)

    2. Change prizes 41 to 50 to something exciting & rewarding. (suggested by Dreamscape)

    3. Bring back earlier gap of 6 weeks between CCs. (suggested by DuffyPoo)

    4. Also design a different CC which you can alternate with the existing one..keep us guessing. (my own)
  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 15.08.2015
    I don't think that having 3 top prizes is a solution - you will just end up with the top 3 coops always winning the top prizes, so nothing has changed.

    Instead I think the ranking system should be based on an average of the RP earned by each member in the coop - so the coop position is calculated as the total RP earned by the coop divided by the maximum number of members allowed in the coop.

    So a top coop with 60 odd members with 10 active gold users could still be beaten by a lower coop with 25 members who are all active.

    This makes the CC much more competitive, it is an incentive for all coops to be active in the competition because every coop has a chance of winning the top prize no matter how big or small the coop is, and it will provide more participants in missions so there will be fewer solo missions. More chance for every coop to win also means more gold sales.

    I do not know of any competitions where one team is allowed 60 players against another team with only 25 players - it's hardly a fair competition at all.
  • Kaiowas (NL1)Kaiowas (NL1) Posts: 153
    edited 15.08.2015
    I allready asked changes a million times... indeed it's unbalanced, unfair and very discouraging, destroying coops and drawing ppl to one coop. Hence, reenforcing their position.... But like said a mollion times... nothing will be done about it
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 15.08.2015
    Hodor4 wrote: »
    I don't think that having 3 top prizes is a solution - you will just end up with the top 3 coops always winning the top prizes, so nothing has changed.

    Instead I think the ranking system should be based on an average of the RP earned by each member in the coop - so the coop position is calculated as the total RP earned by the coop divided by the maximum number of members allowed in the coop.

    So a top coop with 60 odd members with 10 active gold users could still be beaten by a lower coop with 25 members who are all active.

    This makes the CC much more competitive, it is an incentive for all coops to be active in the competition because every coop has a chance of winning the top prize no matter how big or small the coop is, and it will provide more participants in missions so there will be fewer solo missions. More chance for every coop to win also means more gold sales.

    I do not know of any competitions where one team is allowed 60 players against another team with only 25 players - it's hardly a fair competition at all.
    Now THAT suggestion makes a LOT of sense.

    +1 and 100% agree.

    IO
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 16.08.2015
    Common sense suggests that there will come a time when these winning coops either get sick of playing missions 24/7 or end up having too many coop apple orchards and cherries therefore allowing the coops below them to win the coop challenge event. Having said that, some people are so rank obsessed and will continue to go out of their way to deny other groups a win even though the 1st prize is no longer needed.

    Personally I think ranking reward should be completely scrapped and rewards based simply on the amount of reputation points the coop has earned during the given time. The coop apple and cherry should be included in the rewards list just under the trophy of solidarity decoration.
  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341
    edited 16.08.2015
    Whilst I would love to be able to agree Gizmo, with your thoughts that the top coops will get fed up with winning, I am afraid that the top coops in the Co-op Challenge will ALWAYS want to be the top coops - they will not want to lose the bragging rights of always being the top coops. The smaller coops will always be also-rans.

    I guess what I am saying is be grateful for what you get, not everyone can come first and the coop with the most money will undoubtedly come top. You only have to look at the English Football League to know what I mean. There are about 5 teams that alternate coming top of the League, and these are the teams who can afford to buy the best players. The rest of the League is made up of also-rans. Having said that, I do agree that the challenge should be divided into smaller 'leagues' so the smaller coops will have a chance of finishing top of THEIR league.

    I just want to add how proud I was during the last coop challenge. We are a very new, very small coop and there was only 2 of us taking part in the challenge. We did, however, manage to finish in 78th position on our server - and that was without the use of any gold and no boosters. We knew from the beginning that we had no chance of finishing anywhere near the top of the ranking table but we played to the best of our ability. We were pleased to have finished in the top 100 and we got lots of rewards along the way. So thank you Carol for all your hard work, who knows next time we could win a cherry orchard :)
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 16.08.2015
    This thread strikes me as a sports team complaining about not winning the World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl, Davis Cup, whatever year after year. Beat the top team, or don't get the top prize.

    I absolutely understand the frustration of losing good players to a higher ranked/more competitive co-op, but I personally am not that competitive. If a player is so geared towards 'winning' that they sacrifice co-op loyalty... I kinda don't want them.

    -Y
  • DreamScape Farm (IN1)DreamScape Farm (IN1) IN1 Posts: 58
    edited 16.08.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Common sense suggests that there will come a time when these winning coops either get sick of playing missions 24/7 or end up having too many coop apple orchards and cherries therefore allowing the coops below them to win the coop challenge event. Having said that, some people are so rank obsessed and will continue to go out of their way to deny other groups a win even though the 1st prize is no longer needed.

    Personally I think ranking reward should be completely scrapped and rewards based simply on the amount of reputation points the coop has earned during the given time. The coop apple and cherry should be included in the rewards list just under the trophy of solidarity decoration.



    A very Brilliant Suggestion.....
    This will make sure that the "Friendly Co-Op" is intact and healthy to go ahead in the game.
    Co-Op Apple Orchard should be kept in the prizes area which we achieve through earning RPs
  • sajith1980 (IN1)sajith1980 (IN1) Posts: 4
    edited 16.08.2015
    1. Prizes to be changed on every coop challenge

    2.Coop may be grouped into 3-5 groups according to level as did in events

    3. Ranked according to RP per member

    4.there should be a gap of min 45 days between each coop challenge

    5.Missions to be modified, current missions only for half an hour, there should be missions with 30 min,4hrs and 8 hrs with different items like wheat, cabbage, pigs etc

    6. more prizes to be be given to players and coop with lower ranks other than first 3 (3-10, 11-20, 21-50 etc)
  • edited 16.08.2015
    I like the missions as they are 30 minutes is long enough if theres some that you don't want to do you can wait for next one but waiting 8 hours to do next mission I really don't agree with that one lol, but some sort of ranking system would be good for lower co-ops but as in rl sport players move up to different teams in different leagues its a fact of life some are more competitive than others, I'm lucky we have a very loyal group of players which showed in the last challenge as it was made optional and we still came 4th with out everyone taking part they played purely for pride, which was great to see, we wont come first unless the top co-op falls apart and their players get bored of winning lol, but we do have a lot of fun and inter co-op rivalry for top 3 players in our co-op which is healthy competition between our players :) I love our co-op and wouldn't change just to win an apple orchard, we play to see if we can get all the prizes,once we manage that we all stop and relax and do what we like,i honestly cant see any point spending loads of gold just to get a few more apples from a coop apple orchard if there so important to the co-op that always wins them I say let them have them lol, there are more important things to being in a co-op and fun is one of them, if you get stressed during co-op challenge then I would stop doing it, this game should be fun not work :)
  • Kleine Jan (NL1)Kleine Jan (NL1) NL1 Posts: 283
    edited 16.08.2015
    I agree with the most changes.

    But there has to be changed 1 thing first before all.
    That is No more Solomissions.
    How about that idea. I prefer to wait 10 minutes and have a mission that take 45 minutes rather then waiting up till 10 minutes and ending again with a solo mission.
    It seems that the top 5 COOPS always have opponents in their missions.
    Or is my thinking now to simple.

    That is the biggest change to be made first.

    And why not like in golf or bowling use a handicap.
    On that way the smaller or lower level farmers have also the fun and honor to beat a level 100 or higher player
    or is that unfair according to the high level players. BTW i have level 118 but i never forget i once had a small farm long time ago

    ?(?(
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 16.08.2015
    There is to much to often going on at BF and that's why we have to make choices. I don't mind making choices so I choose which event I do this week and which ones I leave idle.

    That's what bothers me most from the Coop Championship: you can't leave it be, you are forced to play it because you don't want to let your coop members down.

    However: I am not that competitive and would much rather leave the CC be and skip it, because it's totally predictable which coop is going to win (the biggest one) and which coop member is going to win (the one who can play 24/7), over and over again. This takes out every challenge and attraction whatsoever. And since the "in between" rewards are all the same, over and over again - there is no appeal to gaining those anymore either. But I play the CC, very much against my will, because I don't want to let my coop members down.... *sigh*

    We have a great coop and never lost any players to bigger coops .... but I've never heard of competitions where a team of 65 players compete against another team of 25 players [as Hodor stated before], this can hardly be called fair.
  • hh5512hh5512 Posts: 18
    edited 16.08.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Personally I think ranking reward should be completely scrapped and rewards based simply on the amount of reputation points the coop has earned during the given time. The coop apple and cherry should be included in the rewards list just under the trophy of solidarity decoration.

    that's the best best suggestion!

    also, the rewards 10, 20, 30 and 40 should be some worthy premium items for which smaller coops could aim.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 16.08.2015
    [QUOTE=Jiesta;1861669We have a great coop and never lost any players to bigger coops .... but I've never heard of competitions where a team of 65 players compete against another team of 25 players [as Hodor stated before], this can hardly be called fair.[/QUOTE]

    Jiesta, I very much respect your posts and opinions, but I just see this completely differently.

    Co-op A has spent Co-op, and quite probably personal, gold, as well as great personal effort (to recruit well, etc) and expanded to the maximum allowable membership (65), and Co-op B has chosen/opted/been unable/whatever the reason, not to go to 65 members, but 25. And you think GGS should even the playing field for Co-op B? In my opinion THAT would be unfair.

    As it is, Co-op B has the same playing field as Co-op A. That IS fair.

    Do players have the same $ to play an online game? Of course not. But neither do they have the same Intelligence, or free time. Each Co-op has the same chance to be #1 at the start, but only one can actually claim the prize at a time. Unless that co-op is cheating (Multi accounts, etc), I don't see how one co-op dominating can be legitimately called unfair. Un-fun? Yes... Absolutely. I can clearly see how it might be un-fun. But Unfair? No.

    -Y
  • Pipperchen (IN1)Pipperchen (IN1) Posts: 35
    edited 17.08.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Common sense suggests that there will come a time when these winning coops either get sick of playing missions 24/7 or end up having too many coop apple orchards and cherries therefore allowing the coops below them to win the coop challenge event. Having said that, some people are so rank obsessed and will continue to go out of their way to deny other groups a win even though the 1st prize is no longer needed.

    Personally I think ranking reward should be completely scrapped and rewards based simply on the amount of reputation points the coop has earned during the given time. The coop apple and cherry should be included in the rewards list just under the trophy of solidarity decoration.

    Brilliant Idea.

    It would be great if apple orchard is added to the prize list.
  • Marie123Marie123 Posts: 1
    edited 17.08.2015
    Good point. GGS please add apple orchard below the trophy order. maybe it could fit on reward no. 39 ?
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