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Feedback: Petition against buying reputation points with gold during co-op event

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  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 22.02.2015
    The first two words of the Championship description says it all for me 'Play missions...' - how can the winner be someone who has not played a mission?
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 22.02.2015
    Hodor4 wrote: »
    The first two words of the Championship description says it all for me 'Play missions...' - how can the winner be someone who has not played a mission?

    Don't take the line out of context. Nowhere in the Championship description does it say the goal is to win. It says the goal is to earn your Co-op hard work rewards. And before anyone says "hard work means playing in missions", let me tell you I work hard for my money, and I assume everyone else does too. So while I would never use my money to get rep points (the value isn't there for me), I don't care if someone else has a different value system than mine.

    To me, there is no downside, but I CAN think of an upside. You are the member of a co-op that you like, you respect everyone in it. You go on vacation, like people do... come back to find there's a pile of stuff in your drop box that you hand no hand in earning. You feel guilty because you did nothing to help the co-op. You see a chance, and you buy gold, earning rep for your co-op. You feel better, your co-op mates value your input, even though you didn't have the time others did, you still contributed to the whole.

    -Y
  • jhumj (US1)jhumj (US1) Posts: 1
    edited 22.02.2015
    agree whole heartedly with your statement ...... jhumj
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 23.02.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    Don't take the line out of context. Nowhere in the Championship description does it say the goal is to win. It says the goal is to earn your Co-op hard work rewards. And before anyone says "hard work means playing in missions", let me tell you I work hard for my money, and I assume everyone else does too. So while I would never use my money to get rep points (the value isn't there for me), I don't care if someone else has a different value system than mine.

    To me, there is no downside, but I CAN think of an upside. You are the member of a co-op that you like, you respect everyone in it. You go on vacation, like people do... come back to find there's a pile of stuff in your drop box that you hand no hand in earning. You feel guilty because you did nothing to help the co-op. You see a chance, and you buy gold, earning rep for your co-op. You feel better, your co-op mates value your input, even though you didn't have the time others did, you still contributed to the whole.

    -Y

    Thats a Disney version of whats happening, the reality is that particular players and coops are using the Hot Deal to buy the win, not to help their coop get rewards. Players in the same coop using the Hot Deal 7 times is a tactic not something thats been done because people are on holidays and dont have the time to play missions. At the end of the day buying a win is cheating, i'm staggered by the lack of common sense in this forum at times.

    Comparing gold use in missions with using the Hot Deal makes no sense. At least with gold use you are actually PLAYING a mission rather than using your credit card to buy points.
  • Yon Beast (US1)Yon Beast (US1) Posts: 60
    edited 23.02.2015
    here is a thought....

    buy rep points as in the mentioned prime bs.

    or

    have a skip button.

    Its never going to be 'gold free'.....and it would be worse with a skip button!
  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 23.02.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    Don't take the line out of context. Nowhere in the Championship description does it say the goal is to win. It says the goal is to earn your Co-op hard work rewards.

    -Y

    I'm not taking it out of context - it is in the description of how the coop championship is supposed to be played. That is completely in context.

    The coop rankings also starts with 'Play missions...', so GGS are telling us what needs to be done to win those prizes - and they do use the word win in both descriptions.

    So GGS are clearly stating in their own descriptions that in order for any coop or coop member to win a prize they must play missions. There is no mention that you can avoid the tedious, time consuming, and often boring process of entering missions by simply getting free RP by buying gold.

    So either GGs need to amend their descriptions of the championship rules, or they need to stop allowing players to break them by offering RP for gold purchases.
  • D-Dub (US1)D-Dub (US1) Posts: 72
    edited 23.02.2015
    I am appalled by the ignorance, of some of these post. Comparing apples to oranges. These players are so blinded by their vision, that they wouldnt see the light, if you opened the window for them. Fact is, GGS made a currency that anyone and everyone can buy. This currency is used throughout the game, to buy premium facilities. When you start offering points, to entice players to buy this gold, you are going into something totally different, than when a player uses this gold, to excel... You may as well, offer players the end of the game... By allowing them to buy any points, this is in essence what you are doing. Oh wait, GGS is fairly new. The end hasnt been created yet. Likely a vision for when they do make the end...
  • mawmahmawmah Posts: 51
    edited 23.02.2015
    I don't believe in buying RP. If people want to use gold to push what they are growing at least they are playing, I am not real happy with it, but it is their gold to do with. I just think that buying RP is against the ideal of the challenge because you are not playing. My opinion for what it is worth.
  • edited 23.02.2015
    yorkydevil wrote: »
    Both earn GGS a fortune, but at least with the 1st they are doing missions and POSSIBLY helping us not to get solo missions. falls of my chair laughing at the thought !

    Just so you know, GGS has over one thousand workers, divide the money they make by that number and see if they are "making a fortune." Don't the wrong impression when you see the top few cooperatives buying gold left and right. :)
  • lois larner (AU1)lois larner (AU1) Posts: 198
    edited 23.02.2015
    Just so you know, GGS has over one thousand workers, divide the money they make by that number and see if they are "making a fortune." Don't the wrong impression when you see the top few cooperatives buying gold left and right. :)

    if this is correct....what are they all doing???????? there is so many bad things happening in this game with all the many many bugs partying and multiplying in this game that haven't been fixed for a long time....then solo missions which i think for me has been 3 weeks without an opponent so i stopped doing them ( 30 min harvesting for 3 certificates) then all the horse problems, not to mention island problems and even the boat when it arrives crashes the game and you have to clear everything and re log in....benny the trader disappears all the time while the island was going and yep you guessed it had to refresh, clear everything and re log in....what are all those workers doing?????
  • Pameow (AU1)Pameow (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    edited 24.02.2015
    Just so you know, GGS has over one thousand workers, divide the money they make by that number and see if they are "making a fortune." Don't the wrong impression when you see the top few cooperatives buying gold left and right. :)

    Wow! One thousand workers to sit on their chairs and scheme how to get players to part with real money using every devious psychological ploy ever invented, and then inventing new ones. They really do earn their wages.

    FYI it has been published that two brothers own the GG$ and posted a 96 million profit, presumably after all those one thousand wages were paid out.

    GG$ are now having a public flotation. Just how gullible is the public? Well to help the gullibilty along, this thread will be removed, cannot imagine that the sellers would like potential buyers reading all this disgust being expressed by so many about the most nasty tactic that the sales persons have yet demonstrated.

    It is morally bankrupt of GG$ staff to design a scenario which enables players to get out a credit card, buy the first place, and not even have to do one mission in the five day mission competition. That is the isssue.

    Players who choose to spend gold to speed up missions are at least at their computers conducting themselves in the missions. Their gold usage assists all players scores and whilst it might not seem particularly fair, it is (albeit begrudgingly in some cases,) accepted. Thats one aspect of how GG$ made the 96 million profit, and manage to provide a so called Free to Play game for those who choose that.

    Let us hope that the sales persons are sufficiently clever enough to know when to back off. We need no special offer to buy reputation points to pop up this week. The body of disgruntlement has become fat.
  • lizziewinterlizziewinter Posts: 1
    edited 26.02.2015
    I'm not a gold player, but i have no problem with people using gold in mission.
    In my co-op, we buy boosters to give extra rep points.
    THIS is not the same as buying rep points with hot deal.
    THE MAIN DIFFERENCE is YOU DON'T PUT IN ANY EFFORT TO PLAY MISSION IN THE LATTER, YOU JUST HAVE TO MOVE SOME MUSCLES TO PULL OUT YOUR CREDIT CARD AND BUY REP POINTS!!

    THE MAIN PURPOSE OF CO-OP CHALLENGE IS TO PLAY MISSION!!! Honestly i'm not sure if GGS CAN'T COMPREHEND THIS FACT OR INTENTIONALLY TURNING A BLIND EYE.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 26.02.2015
    D-Dub wrote: »
    Really GGS??? What is wrong with your developers? I understand you are providing a game that can be played for free. But you don't go & hurt the ones that are paying for it. You have this new CON titled "Cooperative Championship. Where countless players log on to help their co-ops, acquire a few modest awards. Many of these co-ops are shooting for the goal of winning. Afterall, isn't that what the idea in any game is... Then, out of left field, you allow players to buy RP. Really? So all these players that just spent countless hours earning RP, now their time is thrown out like yesterdays garbage, to the highest bidder... I know you all don't care, this is afterall, why I stopped using the forums, to voice my distaste. If I didn't run a co-op, I would have done left the game as well. I just had to come back to the forums, to express my distaste for this move. You all are throwing away players, like yesterdays garbage. No wonder you all had to start putting commercials on television. Trying to re-coop your loss. I promise, you can bring in the masses, but as long as you treat them like a paycheck, you'll keep losing them as well...
    totally agree
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 26.02.2015
    I support Griffin's point. Don't need to add much as there is ample of it above. What is going on here is shamefull. I can only repete, GGS, keep at least some basic moral standards. Love for money destroys character. Do you really only care about your pockets? This is the sure way how to get many players despise you. And sooner or later it could show on your beloved cash flow in a negative way. At least if we still live in society where most people uphold these basic moral standards. I liked the game when I started. I don't any longer.
  • Penfold (GB1)Penfold (GB1) GB1 Posts: 252
    edited 26.02.2015
    Well, GGS have achieved a new "low" here, in my opinion: Bad enough to have brought back the "buy rep points" deal, but to then compound the situation by not making it available to all players is even worse!! Not that I would use it - I didn't last time, and never would (I have the sense of "fair play" shared by so many others) - but to offer it "selectively" is beyond the pale. Not impressed. Not impressed at all.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 26.02.2015
    buying rp points is simply cheating enough said
  • grace1970 (NL1)grace1970 (NL1) Posts: 54
    edited 26.02.2015
    And that deal just returned! really annoyed by this GGS. I am nr. 1 in my coop and the runner up and I are making a game of who is in first place by the time we are ready to call it a night.
    And now it is back, takes the fun out of the game completely and feel like quitting the competition right now.
  • mommy19792mommy19792 Posts: 16
    edited 26.02.2015
    Agree I cannot believe they added this again after all the negative feedback! Majority of players want the coop challenge to be an effort not a purchase please listen to the players for once!
  • Runnerkim (GB1)Runnerkim (GB1) Posts: 93
    edited 26.02.2015
    Yet again, ignoring all our complaints GGS have taken no notice at all of the feelings or happiness of it's customers and put it's profits first by turning a competition again into a who's got the deepest pockets. For once could GGS just put us first and let us have a competition where people actually have to take part and make an effort in missions rather than just buying their way to the top.

    So so disappointed, honestly thought you might of listened to us, shouldn't of been so stupid to think you cared.
  • Jeff1526 (US1)Jeff1526 (US1) US1 Posts: 80
    edited 26.02.2015
    What a load of $%^%$. if someone wants to use gold in the mission, they at least have to play, take the 30 minutes to get through the mission and earn points. Now it takes 5 seconds to hit "buy" and you rocket to the top.
    Clearly no one at GGS gives a %^&%$ about what us players thinks. Thanks for you continued efforts to destroy the game
  • mbeliever (US1)mbeliever (US1) Posts: 686
    edited 26.02.2015
    Jeff1526 wrote: »
    What a load of $%^%$. if someone wants to use gold in the mission, they at least have to play, take the 30 minutes to get through the mission and earn points. Now it takes 5 seconds to hit "buy" and you rocket to the top.
    Clearly no one at GGS gives a %^&%$ about what us players thinks. Thanks for you continued efforts to destroy the game

    Not only do they have to play, but, more importantly, they have to spend their gold to do it. Buying rep points is just that. Buying rep points, plus the gold to spend however they want. Not necessarily on missions. That's really what makes this deal so infamous.

    Just my 2 cents.

    MBeliever
  • Janisss (AU1)Janisss (AU1) Posts: 63
    edited 26.02.2015
    Bottom line here is that GGS should have been aware of how irate many players were when they offered this deal in the previous coop challenge. Apparently they just do not care. It is all about the mighty buck. Personally, a petition is a waste of time. I understand & support the idea that this offer is inappropriate to the situation but feel the powers that be are not listening.
  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 26.02.2015
    The only way for this petition to work is if all players boycott the purchase of gold when this offer is on - but there will always be some players who take advantage of it, so it will never go away.
  • Fawners (US1)Fawners (US1) US1 Posts: 436
    edited 26.02.2015
    Congratulations GGS for living up to your terrible customer service and greediness! You are pathetic!!!
  • SirGeorge (US1)SirGeorge (US1) Posts: 354
    edited 26.02.2015
    Hodor4 wrote: »
    The only way for this petition to work is if all players boycott the purchase of gold when this offer is on - but there will always be some players who take advantage of it, so it will never go away.


    Exactly. Just because a bunch of their loudest critics complain on the forum doesn't change the data collected from last challenge. This company tracks every gold purchase and gold use. This deal that we are all up in arms over makes them money. So they will continue to run it.

    This is a business.
  • sjw (US1)sjw (US1) Posts: 13
    edited 26.02.2015
    I am in the #1 coop. Some use gold, some don't but the thing that all of us do is sit at our computers and "PLAY". We work hard and we work together. We are NOT buying rep points. Some who work come home and play late into the night so that we can support our coop.

    If we stay #1 it will because we earned it and didn't just pull out a credit card and buy first place. Many of our people are retired and can't buy gold but they are serious players and they support the coop and the game itself. PLEASE get rid of his horrible buying of rep points. It takes away from everyone. How could anyone feel they had truly won if they bought that standing.

    This is a reply to George. It's true this is a business. I also run a business. However I do it fairly. Letting someone who has done nothing to be part of a "competition" and can just buy their position is bad for business as fewer and fewer people will participate in this as time goes on.

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 26.02.2015
    I am baffled why some people continue to say they do not understand the difference between using gold in a mission (or for a booster) & this Hot Deal for RP, as it has been explained many times, the difference is .....

    Using gold in a mission = Spending gold & doing a mission.
    Getting free RP with a gold purchase = Not spending gold & not doing a mission.

    The 1st requires some sacrafice of time & money, the 2nd simply requires a credit card.

    The solution to this puzzle might be simplier than you think. Either they are GGS agents being payed for promoting bad morals to support the company's economic expansion plans, or they are just ......... eh, sorry, I can't really type that publicly ...... :):):):)

    ........... moral awarenes may be on decline in some areas. Or some people just exclude moral aspects from their life. :) Couse this issue hangs solelly in morals and you can't easily read it from your payslip. :)
  • SirGeorge (US1)SirGeorge (US1) Posts: 354
    edited 26.02.2015
    sjw wrote: »
    I am in the #1 coop. Some use gold, some don't but the thing that all of us do is sit at our computers and "PLAY". We work hard and we work together. We are NOT buying rep points. Some who work come home and play late into the night so that we can support our coop.

    If we stay #1 it will because we earned it and didn't just pull out a credit card and buy first place. Many of our people are retired and can't buy gold but they are serious players and they support the coop and the game itself. PLEASE get rid of his horrible buying of rep points. It takes away from everyone. How could anyone feel they had truly won if they bought that standing.

    This is a reply to George. It's true this is a business. I also run a business. However I do it fairly. Letting someone who has done nothing to be part of a "competition" and can just buy their position is bad for business as fewer and fewer people will participate in this as time goes on.

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button


    Weird, I was trying to capture both posts while Pinjo was merging....wouldn't let me. Now I know why..



    Okay great, run your business as you see fit. It's your opinion this is not fair and you are entitled to it. Which is great, I sort of agree with you.

    This company is very statistically driven. They track everything and analysis the data. Obviously this data from the last challenge showed more people bought it then the number of people that posted complaints on the forum.

    I do agree that the people you are most likely to lose are frustrated players that don't buy gold or can not afford gold. But, I'm sure GGS doesn't lose any sleep over them.
  • PaPaw3 (US1)PaPaw3 (US1) US1 Posts: 28
    edited 26.02.2015
    I agree that this is a very greedy thing for GGS to do. Either they don't care about the people playing or they made a killing from those who chose to buy the bonus RP. It seems to me that GGS has constantly ignored what people complain about since there are still a ton of bugs in the game. I used to be a gold buyer but GGS will NO LONGER get a dime from me. I've learned in life that a happy customer is a repeat customer. I'm sure I'm not the only one who won't be a repeat customer. I've played this game for nearly a year and a half and its gradually gotten worse as far as bugs and ways GGS can get you to buy more and more gold. Think its time to either sell my farm or just demolish everything and donate to a worthy coop. Either way, I'm done with this game and GGS all together!
  • Rogue Moon (US1)Rogue Moon (US1) US1 Posts: 19
    edited 26.02.2015
    If players want to "Buy" rep points they should be allowed to. BUT, I do not feel they should "Count" during the coop challenges. If they must count, could there at least be a distinction between "Earned" and "Purchased"??

    As a coop leader, I would prefer all farmers to work for and earn those rep points. Most of us enjoy playing because of the strategy, preparation and sometimes sheer luck of the game. It is anoying enough when farmers use gold in missions.... But at least they are playing a mission, using time, energy and resources. Now, you do not even need to be in a single mission to receive those rep points.

    Oh yes, I hear those that say, "If you do not like it, do not buy them!" Well, I do not, but when other farmers do, it effects the morale of the coop and the game in general. It is not jealousy, more likely disappointment that, once again, those with real disposable cash can "Buy" their way to the top. Rankings mean little to nothing when a farmer, in less than 1 minute, can "Purchase" up to 1,750,000 rep points. And this can happen several times during a coop challenge. If no one purchased gold during these bonus offers, they would be dropped as not profitable. So, the fact that they returned, indicates to me that farmers are buying them.

    I also know that GGS is a for-profit company. I have defended gold purchase and use on these forums before. But I think, this time. GGS and "Competitiveness for ranking" has gone too far.

    My (not purchased with gold) two cents worth.

    Rogue Moon

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