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Update - January 29th - Horse Ranch: Player versus Player competitions - Discussion

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  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 11.02.2015
    Janiee wrote: »
    I won against a horse and got 65 competition horseshoes but the odds of winning for both horses were 50%(same)...strange..umm may b bcoz of my horse's breeding value....
    well anyway I WON!

    Not sure if this type of "issue" has been addresed here, so forgive me if I'm repeting something as I only visit forums occasionally and don't read every post carefully.

    Here's the explanation:

    I suppose the "odds" of winning / loosing is a general statistical function. Say 50 / 50 would mean, that if you had a looooooong string of contests between these two horses, like 1 milion, it would tend to be half a mil win, half a mil lost, as the chance is 1 win in 2 races. And that applies to both horses in exactly the same way. Remember in each race there must be a winner, so one of you had to win even if they were both exactly the same. :)

    If for example "odds" of winning was 75 % or 90 %, it would mean probability of winning 750 000 or 900 000 races against that same horse out of 1 milion respectively.
    The more races done, the more closer the actual results would tend to be to the nominal value given.

    Since the chance of getting long string of races between the same two horses is virtually zero, this info is practically useless as any individual race can be win or lose regardless the odds, unless the odds were 100 %.
    Now all that is true for standard statistics. If and to what extent that really works precisely this way here is another question. Chances are it does. Nevertheless, wheather it does or not, see above, it pretty much doesn't matter anyway.

    Of course the practical result here is more Golden HS when winning against stronger horse, while getting less GHS when probability of winning was higner (against weaker horse). I guess the same as betting in real races on clear favourite would give you less win boost on your stake then betting on the horse which is expected to lose, where multiplication factor in case of winning could bring you a fortune out of a few bucks.
  • aaabbb1 (INT1)aaabbb1 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,049
    edited 11.02.2015
    Kamilcom wrote: »
    Not sure if this type of "issue" has been addresed here, so forgive me if I'm repeting something as I only visit forums occasionally and don't read every post carefully.

    Here's the explanation:

    I suppose the "odds" of winning / loosing is a general statistical function. Say 50 / 50 would mean, that if you had a looooooong string of contests between these two horses, like 1 milion, it would tend to be half a mil win, half a mil lost, as the chance is 1 win in 2 races. And that applies to both horses in exactly the same way. Remember in each race there must be a winner, so one of you had to win even if they were both exactly the same. :)

    If for example "odds" of winning was 75 % or 90 %, it would mean probability of winning 750 000 or 900 000 races against that same horse out of 1 milion respectively.
    The more races done, the more closer the actual results would tend to be to the nominal value given.

    So far so good.
    Kamilcom wrote: »
    Since the chance of getting long string of the races between the same horses is virtually zero, this info is practically useless as any individual race can be win or lose regardless the odds, unless the odds were 100 %.
    Now all that is true for standard statistics. If and to what extent that really works precisely this way here is another question. Chances are it does. Nevertheless, wheather it does or not, see above, it pretty much doesn't matter anyway.

    Of course the practical result here is more Golden HS when winning against stronger horse, while getting less GHS when probability of winning was higner (against weaker horse). I guess the same as betting in real races on clear favourite would give you less win boost on your stake then betting on the horse which is expected to lose, where multiplication factor in case of winning could bring you a fortune out of a few bucks.

    You lost me there. Statistics works even if it is not the same horse. You get more horseshoes if you win against stronger oponent, but this will happen less times. If you play against lower oponent you will get less horseshoes but more offten.
    It is true that you are geting MUCH more horseshoes when facing opponent stronger than you, so in a long run, this means more golden horseshoes. BUT on other hand, then you will not raise up in leagues. Every league gets you more horseshoes (in golden you get 50% more) and you will get no league prices. So its hard to tell which strategy is better.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.02.2015
    :cursing::cursing:what?
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 11.02.2015
    aaabbb1 wrote: »
    You lost me there. Statistics works even if it is not the same horse. You get more horseshoes if you win against stronger oponent, but this will happen less times. If you play against lower oponent you will get less horseshoes but more offten.
    It is true that you are geting MUCH more horseshoes when facing opponent stronger than you, so in a long run, this means more golden horseshoes. BUT on other hand, then you will not raise up in leagues. Every league gets you more horseshoes (in golden you get 50% more) and you will get no league prices. So its hard to tell which strategy is better.

    Thanks aaa.

    I was not suggesting or debating any strategy at all. Just describing what these "odds of winning" numbers mean and how it translates to our gaming experience.

    Of course statistics works every time, but any individual "odds of winning" given for any specific race is related just to that particular horse pair (race) at their state of developement. For different pair (or with modified strength of one of the horses) the "odds" value will be different. Which leaves us no other option than to only consider the same horses for that one "odds of winning" value, if we want to get correct results.

    The reason I left some space for "not precisely this way" possibility is that I did not write the code so can't be sure about what other modificators to this standard "rule" the code makers might have included in the script.

    Does it clear out what you might have misunderstood?

    Janiee wrote: »
    cursing.pngcursing.pngwhat?

    Exactly that :):):) Welcome to the world of statistics. :)

    If you didn't understand it, at least you are not any worse then before. :):):)

    Keep enjoying your game. :)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.02.2015
    It happened with me too just won a duel ,i mean challenge^^ and odds of winning for both were 50% and racing points= 120 (both horses')but i won 109 gold and breeding value of both horses were same too.
  • Margitorix (SKN1)Margitorix (SKN1) Posts: 87
    edited 11.02.2015
    Margitorix wrote: »
    It's not fair that I have to miss my green ribbon's just because I reach 1249 so evry time I win I get zero ribbons and only Golden Horseshoes but if i get challenged i loose 4 ribbons ;-(

    Have now tried 4 times where i get no ribbons only a zero in the ribbon counter

    Not My fault that I did the breeding the way it was intended and therefor had the strongest horse on the server now I'm punished for doing what the game intended yet once again

    and haven't trained my top horse anything since the duels started (in mather of fact not in 4 weeks) still the same horse which brougth me to this problem

    so please open up the diamond leauge where I belong and should have been in for 4 duels ago




    How many wins do You count to make 375 point if You get 4 for evry win?

    okay sorry did' not see the 1 so I have to try get less than 20 more wins to get the diamond leauge open I'll come back in the evning and tell if thats the fact


    seems I hav'nt read the infos rigth in the diamond leauge seems to have to win 50 times in diamond 1 but thats due to all the buggs I have to reload the page so evry time goes back to bronze league and just looking at the numbers of how far to the magic 1250 points

    will return tomorrow whit the ansver when I have reach the last 18 wins ;-)
    most likely tomorrow morning server time ;-)





    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button

    Sorry for being late but seems not to be any bugs around the Diamond League reach it heere to nigth just the 50 victorys to get in there and no prices just a list whit for now 1 name ;-)
  • edited 12.02.2015
    is agility same as dressage?
  • Chalaryl (US1)Chalaryl (US1) Posts: 132
    edited 12.02.2015
    is agility same as dressage?

    Agility is what you train to improve your chance to win a dressage competition. Elegance is the other breeding effect you could get to enhance dressage, and only dressage.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 12.02.2015
    Congrats!

    -Y
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 12.02.2015
    Margitorix wrote: »
    Sorry for being late but seems not to be any bugs around the Diamond League reach it heere to nigth just the 50 victorys to get in there and no prices just a list whit for now 1 name ;-)

    WTG!!! 24_zpsrquk0gyh.gif

    You do win those 4 prizes at the end of the season, though I am not too sure what you do with a "Diamond Medal".... Would be nice to get an instant prize after all your hard work. Congrats on being 1st one in there, you get to pick the best comfy chair hehe
  • Dara (SKN1)Dara (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 2,638
    edited 12.02.2015
    Congrats Margitorix :) It would be nice to see that Diamond league list. But to me it is just locked. Not even names in it. Even there is only 1 name in it ;)
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 12.02.2015
    Oh thanks for clearing that up for me Dara. I know in US we have a player or two nearing the 50 win mark in P1, and I was wondering if all of us would be able to see it when they made it, or rely on the gossip network to find out. I too would prefer if all could see names in it (even if it remained locked).

    -Y
  • edited 13.02.2015
    so did you mix up the names there with agility and endurance in the game? why call it different things, just call it strength training, agility training and endurance training.
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 13.02.2015

    Yay!!! Congratulations FreeWhiteful, 1st one home on WWW1 .... Raid the minibar before someone else gets in hehe 24_zpsrquk0gyh.gif
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 13.02.2015
    Congrats FreeWhitelul, well done. :)
  • Max999 (GB1)Max999 (GB1) Posts: 107
    edited 14.02.2015
    Hi Tracey,
    Well done in getting into the Platinum League. Amazing!!!!
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 14.02.2015
    Thats Diamond league!! .... Go Go Tracey desismileys_2121.gifdesismileys_2121.gifdesismileys_2121.gifCongrats!.... Save me a seat hehe
  • Max999 (GB1)Max999 (GB1) Posts: 107
    edited 14.02.2015
    Whoops!!! That's what i meant. :S
  • misty0455misty0455 Posts: 9
    edited 14.02.2015
    I have to agree with maxiroy, this horse thing is confusing, I have sidebar task telling me I need a lev 1 quality horse, i have 4 horses all a lot higher than lev 1, what gives, can they give us a manual for horses or what, would love to hear from someone who can tell me what's happening with this horse thing
  • Chalaryl (US1)Chalaryl (US1) Posts: 132
    edited 14.02.2015
    I have to agree with maxiroy, this horse thing is confusing, I have sidebar task telling me I need a lev 1 quality horse, i have 4 horses all a lot higher than lev 1, what gives, can they give us a manual for horses or what, would love to hear from someone who can tell me what's happening with this horse thing

    Think you are confusing BV (breeding value) with Q (Quality). They are 2 different things. BV increases as you train in the various arenas. Quality is a random thing that MIGHT show in the foals you breed. The higher the BV at breeding, the more likely you are to get better Q in the foal.
  • smurr61 (US1)smurr61 (US1) Posts: 3
    edited 15.02.2015
    1.) Horse(s) I CHOOSE to compete when challenged by another player is NEVER the horse that competes.

    2.) The (wrong) horse that competes in challenge races is IN TRAINING when they compete.

    3.) How is it that when I challenge other players in horse competitions - the same few dozen players are available for me to challenge (when I know there are thousands more players I should be able to challenge, instead of the same ones over and over.)
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 15.02.2015
    1) Seems wrong. I've never had a problem. The horse I selected to defend in the trailer, is always the horse that other face. Take a screen shot of your selected horse, and then one of a challenge result and send it to support.

    2) training doesn't matter when being challenged. Only in challenging.

    3) random chance? I don't think anyone but the programers know what the criteria are for the selection of horses to challenge. But that said, its likely you will be paired up more often with horses moving through the ladder at roughly the same speed as you are, than others. Otherwise, random is random. I just lost 6 of 7 challenges I made, all of which turned out to be 70% or greater in my favor. Shrug. Random is random.

    -Y
  • Dylan22805 (US1)Dylan22805 (US1) US1 Posts: 2
    edited 15.02.2015
    First I've posted here in a year of so playing, I generally accept and understand the issues that seem to dominate these discussions, but I have to say, the challenge racing rules are to me just totally irrational. Why in bleep can you not win any points when challenged, only lose them? Why in bleep should it be any different than when you are the challenger? Same race, same conditions for victory, if you win or lose when challenged the result should get you the same exact reward/loss as when your are the challenger. I don't mind losing points when I lose (although it sucks to lose points as you're training a new colt and you don't really want to race), but by bleep if I win those challenges I deserve points for it.Sorry to waste anyone's time, I don't expect or require any response, I've plowed through the posts and announcements on the subject til my eyes are crossed and will not argue the point further, I just had to ante up my two cents on this one... and now back to my peaceful happy little farm I go.


    Just to clarify, I realize that you don't lose points when your new colt is "in training" and can't be challenged, but during the overall process of raising its level through training.




    [Posts merged by Wabbit | Please use Edit button]
  • Yon Beast (US1)Yon Beast (US1) Posts: 60
    edited 15.02.2015
    Dylan22805 wrote: »
    Why in bleep can you not win any points when challenged, only lose them? Why in bleep should it be any different than when you are the challenger? Same race, same conditions for victory, if you win or lose when challenged the result should get you the same exact reward/loss as when your are the challenger.

    The difference seems obvious to me.
    To challenge you must be playing.
    To receive the challenge....you don't even need to be awake much less on-line.

    I have an oddity, it seems....I am stuck on 1249 for some time now...is that normal?
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 15.02.2015
    Yon Beast wrote: »
    I have an oddity, it seems....I am stuck on 1249 for some time now...is that normal?

    Yes, you can`t get passed 1249 to 1250 & into the diamond league until you have 50 wins in Platinum 1....... You are close! ^^
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 15.02.2015
    Yes Yon. You need to win 50 times in P1 to join Diamond. Just challenge me a few more times. lol

    -Y
  • Yon Beast (US1)Yon Beast (US1) Posts: 60
    edited 15.02.2015
    :D Thank you(s)

    Maybe I am getting close....all three opponents are +77 and they keep reappearing after i lose ;)

    Edit: All three opponents have now changed to gold level 8|
  • dwimbruk (GB1)dwimbruk (GB1) Posts: 24
    edited 15.02.2015
    Question: is there any way that I haven't noticed to work out how long there is remaining?

    It's been saying ~1 month remaining for at least 2 weeks...
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