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Criticism: BF Means Big Fraud
We got Horseshoes so we could train our Horses
We got Competitive Horseshoes for competing with our Horses.
We spent Horseshoes so we could breed our Horses.
We had the Island so we could get Horseshoes.
We got Horseshoes so we could train our Horses
We got Competitive Horseshoes for competing with our Horses.
We finally get the Horse Racing Tournament.
We applied strategy and skill to obtain high traits and Breeding Value for our Horses so they could race and breed.
Then it all comes down to a skewed system of CHANCE. You enter a race with 80% probability of winning to only win 7 out of 13.
Big Fraud is nothing but an insult to all the playing and planning over the past several months.
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If there wasn't some element of chance involved, and the better horse always won, it would be very dull.
The skill, such as it is, comes in training a good horse.
So let the wheel is out for the spin doctors.
-Y
This to maximize my wins.
BF was engaged in to be a game of skill and NOT CHANCE. Yes; I know: one can send a beam of light around the world in a split second, but it takes years to penetrate that last quarter of an inch (if ever).
I would say the racing is a combination of skill & luck, just like it is in RL, the WoF is total luck, as you can do nothing to affect the outcome, but with the horses you do need to have trained & bred to some degree or your chances of winning really would be pitiful.
I am not really following your logic with the 7 out of 13 thing. If you have an 80% chance of winning, thats the same as saying out of a raffle of 100 tickets, you have 80 of them & your opponent has 20, obviously there is a greater chance one of your tickets will be picked, because there are more of them, but each indivudual ticket has a 100/1 chance of being selected and the fact that one of your opponents tickets was chosen the last time (or last 7 times) would have no bearing whatsoever on the outcome.
I have won a lot & lost a lot, but overall I think my horse is at level it should be compared to those above & below in the leagues, so it seems to all balance out properly in the end.... At least I haven`t seen any level 70+ horses stuck in the bronze league or any under level 10 making it to Platinum..... Yet hehe ^^
Making a statement about statistics in the face of opposition is hardly, timid, cowardly, or craven, so I am guessing you are using the term "pusillanimous" here as a pejorative rather than accurately?
In reference to your 'salient point' comment. Here's a non-statistical response. Where does it say in the description of Big Farm that it has only one purpose? Much less that the purpose is to provide a game of "skill and not chance?"
There is absolutely some skill required in Big Farm to succeed and do well. But there is also fun. There is no way to 'win' Big Farm, no goal set. If there was, people would reach it and quit. I highly doubt that was the designers intent.
I think its absolutely fair if you want to say you are disappointed with the 'end game yet revealed', and that you dislike the random element of not being able to build a horse that wins 100% of the time. But to speak in absolutes leaves your statements open to, and almost demanding rebuttal from people who disagree.
-Y
We knew odds would be goofy, at times, when we defied odds, to beat George, Lester, and Tessa, once we got past the initial stages. Still, we would only win 20-23% of our competitions with them. This made some sense, as frustrating as it was for some many players. They wanted to complete the Horse tasks and it wasn't seeming possible in their lifetime (according to them).
So finally, armed with more information, many of us proceeded on a rather scientific course in training and breeding. Actually for some races there is an expectation that it should be virtually impossible to lose. When I have a horse with for selected traits and go against one that has NONE, there's the same expectation as throwing a curve ball, for a strike, to a Little Leaguer. It is remotely possible that he could swing off of my motion and guess where the pitch will end end and actually make contact.
In RL, a competition between TWO horse, most of the variables, which are present in a handicapped, thoroughbred race, are gone. This is even more so the case in show jumping and dressage, where barring an accident, the superior-trained horse will almost always win, when there's a big gap in the training among the two.
It was announced that we would race against players in our own class. I didn't start the Competition, until 3 days in, as I had matters to attend about. Thus, when I got started finally, I had an advantage going against players floundering in the Bronze League. Yet, it wasn't really so. Now that I'm in the Gold League, I don't get to pick opponents in the Silver or Bronze leagues. I don't even get to pick opponents in the Gold league. Apparently, the Platinum league gets bored competing against each other, so they're my only opponents. So; why bother racing? I just keep training.
From the private messages that I have received on this thread, I'm not the only one who sees this problem. let's just skip the horse hockey and hand out sets of dice.
This is the reality; all that BF took us through to get here is a game of chance. Miraculously, we had players among us who knew that right along. I would have never got into BF, IF I knew that it was just a craps shoot-out.
Why can't I find your farm????? How can you be "advanced" if you don't have a farm? How can you comment about a game it seems your not even playing?
I'm so confused 8|
This forum is also for the en server, the WWW server and the servers for other countries that don't have an apart forum in their language. We also have the dutchies here and the scandinavians and many others.
While it would be cool to have a farm with a secret cloaking device
I'll just hang out over here Attachment not found. but thanks for the invite.
Hey Aedman,
the game shouldn't state that you have an overall chance of 50% to win competitions.
The chances to win a competition depend on the skills of your horse and a determined anew for each and every competition. Just check the details section after a competition is over. You should always find different percentages being displayed there.
Cheers,
Steffi
Thanks for the reply Steffi,
Because I am well aware of what you state, is part of the basis for my complaint. After each race I check the odds. So, I expect to lose 2 races out of ever 10 with opponents that I have roughly an 80% advantage. It hasn't worked out that way to start and now two weeks in, it still hasn't.
The Horse Competition was pointed to as the end-all for the cycle. I, for one, eagerly looked forward to it. Once it started, a lot of doubters embraced as they did the Cooperative Competition UNTIL RPs went on sale. So, after the trial and error of breeding and training and more breeding and training and actually completing all of the Horse mini-event tasks, I was ready. I had lost most of the time to George, Lester, and Tessa. That was to be expected. So when I start off with challenging Horses with BV5 and 10, I did not expect to be losing much. But I did.
The odds displayed in Details just are NOT TRUE. I saw the same problem with the odds programming with the PC game Civilization. They based odds off of concepts of the board game, Risk, and ended up with the phenomenon that a Spearman could defeat a Tank.
I realize that GGS looks to maintain a certain level of parity, but it cannot do it at the expense of those who are simply more skilled. (Many players just play and could care less.) The bottom line is that the programming is broken. It has reduced the cycle, starting at the Airport, into a game of chance. I'm not advocating doing away with the chance-element, however when i challenge or am challenged by an opponent that I have 80% odds from Detail, then over the course of playing, I should win 4 out of 5. Barring that, it becomes ridiculously frustrating and leaves me thinking that I have suddenly acquired masochistic tendencies.