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Because if so then I agree with Pingo42 that participating in competitions should be OPT-IN, not automatic. They are MY horses and if I don't want them competing then GGS should do me the courtesy of respecting that. It doesn't matter whether or not their participation affects my farm; that's not the point.
Also re the earlier comment from a player & also a CM: it is all well and fine to avoid the island/ship/horseshoes cycle by opting out - UNLESS you have ALREADY opened the island once (when the later parts of the "cycle" were still unknown). There is no way to go back after that, which is a shame.
When and why did this game's focus turn from something fun, with a SMALL element of competition, into something that is so complex you need an advanced degree in genetics and all-competition-all-the-time work work work?
I'm glad that other players like the additional elements. But for players like me, a chance to say "no thank you" and opt out/reset after trying out the element and finding it DOESN'T work for me, would be greatly appreciated.
And to save some of you the effort of saying it: I know, if I don't like it I can just leave. Thanks.
Well said starsie - I completely agree with you! I do not have this seemingly necessary advanced degree in genetics or mathematics and thus only play these tournaments because I feel compelled to. :S
I am grateful for the many posts in which other players try to make things comprehensible, but I still don't understand most of it, sadly.
Happy farming!
I guess to be consistent you could argue there should be a way to opt out of the co-op tree while staying in a co-op? But I haven't heard anyone rail against that.
-Y
From what I am seeing in the bronze lvls nothing happens to you when you loose a challenge. The penalties start once you move up into silver and then it is a loss of a ranking point (wins at silver and bronze are +4). I have noticed that a win in bronze does not always get you the +4 ranking points, and I haven't trying to figure out what causes the win to get the ranking points or not get them. Originally I thought keeping a horse in training area would keep it out of competing but this is only in my end that horse can still be challenged by other players I just can't use it.
Not sure if this will work but it makes sense that if you don't have a horse you can't be challenged. So you could use the "set horse free" option, getting rid of all horses and then there is nothing in the barn for people to challenge.
If you are offline or don't open your notices it doesn't change things. They are just notices to let you know how the challenge from another player ended up. Just like when you challenged Lester and crew before the competition happens instantly and you get a notice of the results. You might come online to 1 or 20 new notices.
I do agree that the island being a locked in forever is not fair. We have very little info to go on with the island. Many many players would have benefited from waiting for another 10 or 20 lvls before they started the islands. Now it is pretty much mandatory if I want to fill the ship orders. The ship changing to a mainly shoe reward takes some of the benefit from trying to fill it, but I still like to get it filled. The island is also not as easy for those with limited playing time. I understand it is and "event" like the shorter weekly events but it really wasn't presented clearly enough in the beginning for those who already struggle to finish the short events due to limited game time or their level. Now they are pulled in more directions.
I completely understand that the horses and islands are more for the advanced players who the week long events are simple for, who don't need more of the same old decos and who have completed the main/gourmet/flower farms. New players don't understand this, just like they don't understand that rushing to open the gourmet and flower farm actually creates more issues for them with the ship and farm improvements.
Lol, me neither! I usually understand very little of the mathematics parts of the game. We used to have some good math-people in the coop, who could explain things to me in ways I understood, but they stopped playing.
So for the horse-competition I pick the lowest level horse of the 3 options, and let my horse do it's best trick against it. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose and I'll see how far I'll get. I find it fun!
That is waaaaaaay, waaaaay to random & the sheer fact that a horse competes 40lvls difference - it's silly...
My horse lost - he is lvl 48, it was called a "narrow loss" in mssgs
Instead the window closed immediately and took me to back to the Transporter I have tried four times, and have looked all over the interface and not spotted what is going wrong yet. Have given up for now. Back to interminable training, and noting the gold point I get when I open and close a message from a challenger who has lost the challenge. I was thinking how fantastic my horse must be for winning nearly every time challenged. After your message MoonionsRule, I am thinking: nah, probably winning means my lovely horse is really a Nag!
If you don't feel like eating raspberry jam on your toast tomorrow you can opt out and throw all the jam into the rubbish bin. TOUGH LUCK if you want some raspberry jam on your toast some other morning.
Players have done some training on their horse, or simply might like to look at it, or something else. What you are advocating is not an opt out, its pure STUPIDITY. Please respect the notion that not everyone want to do challenges.
We need an active option to check called something like, "Do not allow challenges, not participating this round". The developers would do well to grow some common curtesy in their code.
I honestly don't see the difference between being challenged to a race, and having your tree watered. They both involve an invasion of your farm for the invaders perceived benefit (Golden horseshoes, dollars). They both involve no harm being done (assuming the challengee in question isn't challenging others). And they both involved the invaded person getting a benefit from time to time (Golden horseshoes, true presents) for absolutely free.
Yet several people have complained about not having an opt out to being challenged, and no one has complained about having their tree watered. Not even the people complaining about being challenged.
-Y
don't take it to negative side,of course i don't want to loose too but it is just fun but it enjoy and giggle..
and an option to allow the player to choose wehter to take part it in the competition or not, might not be POSSIBLE bcoz it would be less fun and it will no longer be a KICK-OFF SEASON
we like to kick-off! kick-off kick-off!
You like to ..KICK-OFF!
ahahahha
He may have lost the challenges, but he has won you golden horseshoes each time & I have seen several reports here of surprise results, I was beaten by a horse with only a 7% chance of winning & someone else was beaten by one with only a 2% chance lol .... We still haven`t seen the last part of this neverending event, which is said to be something that uses golden horseshoes, so you never know, you may be glad for the ones your lil horse is collecting for you, you should be proud of him.
The more people participating the better for everyone, last thing we need is solo races, like solo missions 8|
Well by that line of thinking then, why not just force everyone to do missions too?
And I'm sorry but the tree analogy is NOT comparable. I am not in a co-op, I decided to OPT OUT of that choice, so nobody "invades" my farm to water my tree. But if I had chosen to become part of a co-op, with the full knowledge that others would be watering my tree and of my obligation to also water theirs, that would still be the result of a CHOICE that I got to make. Not GGS deciding for me.
just curious.... jessie girl lost 50/50 without competing in a single race at all, so how would she getgold horseshoes for that?????
world is strange! :huh:
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I think, I understand where you coming from
Lets say, Im lower level, I think lvl30 is what unlocks the Islands events (gaining exotic seeds to get horseshoes). Even if I do unlock the Island, due to my level, my earnings will not be very substantial, less earnings less seeds, less seeds less fruit = small amount of horseshoes = lower level trained horse - right??
Now the Horse competition Season started & with my lower level Horse, I do NOT wish to participate in the seasonal challenges, as I think my horse is not ready yet. There should have been a "button" asking - YES (I do want my horse in challenges) NO (I do not want to partake).
What I'm pondering is - lower trained horses, will "provide" free and easy points, for the once who do compete !! is it fair? not really - I think Horse season, should be similar to missions, if I do NOT click search for mission button, my farm is not participating .... enough said.
Just because I unlocked the horse stables, should not make me an "automatic enterant" into challenges with other players.
As for me, I think when I've lost, oh well, the fuel is free, my horse can try again. Ok, I admit I really like the ranch and think big farm in it's entirety is a really good game.
Like cordia, and like yesterday morning - nothing happens when I challenge another horse. No message window about the course of the competition, nothing. Yesterday I tried 3 times, nothing, today I tried 2 times: nothing.
Perhaps I must restart the pc again (like I did yesterday, that finally helped), but I am in the midst of missions - so no luck! ;(
Will these players also be unhappy if someone gives them $ 1 as a gift without demanding anything in return?
But I'm not sure the math behind the chance to win or loose works correct.
Every time I challenge a horse witch "only" have around 21% (or more) chance to be the winner... I loose.
And the same the other way around... every times my horse was challenged by a much stronger horse so I only have a little chance to be the winner... I win!
bugs are very annoying and make the game not enjoyable to play. so why should we be happy with them...
i dont think they are making fun at all... they want the bugs fixed as there are soooooo many of them
You are right, I stand corrected, I was confusing it with when you challenge someone else & you lose, you still win horseshoes. *slaps self & goes to stand in the corner*
What do you mean?
- when I challenge someone I get golden horseshoes (even some if I lose) and green rosettes (only if I win)
- when somebody else challenges me they don't get golden horseshoes when they lose?
Sorry - my head spins since yesterday!
This one wasn't to me, but I'd love that. It would be one less click I'd have to make (i.e. search for mission). Its not like I pay much attention to the missions anyway, even though I do them all day every day. (Co-op challenge excepted.)
But that's my point. A co-op is a huge benefit... you sell your stuff for much higher prices, you produce more, etc. depending on the research. You opted out, at a high cost. You threw away your jelly. Its completely analagous to opting to not have any horses.
The only difference is you might have made your horse choice before knowing the consequences, but you did make that choice knowing there was more to come which you might or might not like. It was a gamble. Now that you know this much (and there is still more, yet to come), you still have the opportunity to opt out with the 'Let Go' button. (unlike the island).
-Y
You are correct in questioning the fairness of a horse collecting golden horseshoes in lowest bronze league, and in some cases, without even making one challenge. It is not fair at all. So the default needs to be Do not participate (and collect zero golden horseshoes) with a Yes I want to participate button, enabling to challenge (or not) and to be challenged.
Why do you think players want to opt out from having horses? What is clearly being said is they want to opt out of challenges for x amount of time for y reasons. Releasing a horse will not solve this problem. Suggesting players opt out of forced challenges by releasing horses is in fact misleading and might result in a lot of unhappy players if they actually followed your advice."Where did my horse go?"
Comparing forced horse challenges to forced coop tree watering is not quite right. I have a coop of one. Simply to admire the little tree. I even water it. Nobody forces that, it is a choice I make. Its a tiny jelly! Yes many players accept to water the coop treees and have theirs watered, their choice. Nothing like unwelcome forced horse challenges. Just because a player chooses to go without benefits of a coop, (No jelly at all) it doesn't mean they do not want horses, they just want choice of when their horses compete.
Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit or multi-quote button
I don't, what I've clearly stated is that not having horses is the cost of Opting out of challenges. Just like opting out of Co-ops is the cost of not wanting your tree watered (and the obligation to water other's trees).
What they are not being clear about, is what those Y reasons are. "I want the option, because I want the option." is the only reason I've seen. Which of course is not an answer to "Why do you want the option?" at all.
I think "Let go" is pretty clear in itself. But to be more clear... if you let your horses go, you will have no more horses. Good enough?
Yes, I understand that's what they want. Right now, the choice is all or nothing, my point is simply if they really really really don't like to be challenged, they have AN Option. Its not a very palatable one (similar, I feel to giving up the benefits of an established Co-op.) but its an option.
The best reason I've heard, and not even from one of the opt out advocates, was the one above about reading the 50/50 loss messages. But again, that's easily remedied, but not clicking a button. Or Opting out of reading the challenges, as it were.
The single person Co-op is interesting because that is a difference I had not considered. You are right its an extra option there, vs the Horses. But, if you ever chose to leave it, for a full co-op with the full benefits of research, you'd have to sacrifice any work you put into your own co-op. So then an equivalent horse option might be one where you could breed, train your own horses but never race them, but when you did want to join the full experience, you'd lose the work you put in? I dunno, I'll have to think about it. Good comment.
-Y
Almost....
If I challenge you & I win I get shoes & points, if I lose i still get some shoes but I lose points (except in bronze league)
If you win you get shoes (no points), if you lose you get nothing & you can also lose points (except in bronze league)
A bit wrong )
If I challenge you & I win
- I get shoes & points and
- you get nothing + you can lose points (except in bronze league),
if I lose
- i get some shoes,
- you get shoes (no points).
We lose points only from letters, not our challenges.