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Update - January 29th - Horse Ranch: Player versus Player competitions - Discussion

Player versus Player competitions? More additions to the horse ranch?

Read the latest announcement here and post all your questions in this discussion thread. 8)
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  • CM MargoCM Margo Posts: 272
    edited 21.03.2015
    Hi guys,

    Hopefully you're here because you've just read the upcoming update called 'Horse Ranch PvP', if not... Fear not! You can check out all the details here: Horse Ranch PvP Update

    I understand that these patch notes are preeeetty long and will be quite tough to get through, but this is for the Horse Ranch that is available at level 16! We have now added the feature to compete with your horses against other players.

    Please use this Discussion Thread to forward your feedback and any questions or suggestions that you have about the upcoming update :)

    ~CM Margo
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 27.01.2015
    :cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:it is too long, i will read all of it later
    thanks for always making changes to the game to keep us entertained.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 27.01.2015
    I think its long because they wanted to be specific about gold use, given the last co-op challenge fiasco.

    Looks interesting. The ladder formation should help with some of the 'Missions matched me up with someone too high level'

    As always, looking forward to it, but really can't decide how much I like it until its here :)

    -Y
  • Dara (SKN1)Dara (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 2,638
    edited 27.01.2015
    It is long, yes, and i don't understand a half of it... ;)
    Maybe it's just better to see what is coming... i'm not so interested the whole horse ranch.
    I know here is many threads and explanations about horses, but my English isn't so good, that could understand everything. And google translator is.......... :thumbdown: So i just train my horses when i remember and see what happens ;)

    Just that many of my co'op memebes would like to play more with horses and know more. But they don't speak English more than i do. So i have tried to be some kind of "translator" ;)
  • hechatishechatis Posts: 9
    edited 27.01.2015
    Hmm... Seems like it will be possible to receive rewards that are useful for the main farm. I'm catiously optimistic regarding this update...
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 27.01.2015
    maybe i missed it if it was there, but anyways does this mean the tournament season will start on 29th or it is only implementation yet and season gonna start later?
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 27.01.2015
    Sounds interesting!.... Yes its long, but thats better than having a bazillion posts complaining that we don`t have enough info ..... Thanks Nafaru! :thumbsup:
  • edited 27.01.2015
    Sounds like a good update, and I am looking forward to it. Of course can't decide for sure if I will like it until after it comes in to affect. So until then I will just have to wait.

    ~Space~
  • Pingo42Pingo42 Posts: 537
    edited 27.01.2015
    I know my horses aren't very good and I don't want to take part in these competitions at this time for that reason. But it seems I do not have a choice to compete or not:
    Once another player challenges you in a certain discipline, the challenge will happen automatically - You cannot accept or decline it.

    So when I lose as I inevitably will, I will be penalized:
    If, however, another player challenges you and you lose, there is a small penalty for this defeat.

    This seems very unfair to me. I need more time to try to improve the quality of my horses before competing. Please give people the ability to opt out of this if they don't feel ready for this sort of competition.
  • Hodor4Hodor4 Posts: 192
    edited 27.01.2015
    Pingo42 wrote: »
    So when I lose as I inevitably will, I will be penalized:

    If you don't compete to gain ranking points then you can't lose any in Bronze league.
    The amount of ranking points you lose upon being defeated by another player who challenged you depends on the league you are currently in - you cannot lose any ranking points in Bronze league and penalties for losing a challenge will get progressively bigger as you progress through higher leagues.
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 27.01.2015
    I'm agree with pingo42.
    Since we can't accept or decline a challenge, it's unfair the player who are beeing challenge being punished. :(
    The correct fair way would be to punish the challenger, if he/she not win the competion.

    - But ok, in the real world... If somebody knock you down on the street, you not eighter have a chance to avoid it , since you already are knocked down before you reconize the attacker.
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 27.01.2015
    I just come to think about something...
    What happen if a player ignore a challenge (or not is online for several days), will the challengers horse then be locked to that challenge rest of the season (or until the other player comes online and doing something like choose a horse or let the game random choose a horse)?
  • FilipeczekFilipeczek Posts: 275
    edited 27.01.2015
    Hmm, very interesting. But I think other player cannot challenge me if I'm offline? I hope not! :)

    It's a pity that there will be penalty for loosing. Why? In the missions there is no penalty for taking last place so why should that be in horse competitions? If I get 0 points it's already not nice so why additionally take the points off if I loose?

    I'm very curious how it all will look like, cannot wait to see that. Exciting! :D
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 27.01.2015
    more GGS manure to stick round my courgettes. I wonder how many "bugs" they will be putting in this update. We have had the biggest GGS F up of the year so far, get ready for the next one.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 27.01.2015
    People, look at what Hodor posted above. You can NOT lose points for being challenged in the bronze league. Only if you advance out of it.

    I don't think challenges require that the challenged be online. It says you have to set what horse you want to be in each type of event. If you don't a horse of yours will be chosen at random.

    -Y
  • edited 27.01.2015
    Personaly the horse ranch is a giant load of manure to me and a big waste of my time. If we are forced to take part in yet another round of junk we don't want what happens if we set the horses free and don't have anything for anyone to challenge. Seems to me you cant challenge something I don't have.
  • AngieGamer71 (US1)AngieGamer71 (US1) Posts: 117
    edited 27.01.2015
    I like the update, and seems we can actually gain some valuable stuff from the league, but one thing that does not make sense:

    "If you happen to lose against a player you challenged yourself, there is no penalty. If, however, another player challenges you and you lose, there is a small penalty for this defeat."

    This should be the other way around.. if you challenge and lose the CHALLENGER should have a penalty. If someone challenges you, they are confident to win, therefore the one being challenged should not have a penalty.

    The second reason why this makes no sense is it will end up like the missions.. I have players that are no where near my ranking in missions (i.e. I am 220, I get the second highest ranked person), but the game says they "match players based on ranking", a lot of the time this is not true. So someone who has a level 95 horse to my 60 "being in the same rank" according to GGS, I do not believe this is valid.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 28.01.2015
    Angie, first off, that's true, what you quoted, but you don't lose anything if you haven't escape the Bronze level (i.e. haven't won 50 or what have you races.) So there is NO penalty for losing... until you win a certain amount. Secondly, as you win and move up in levels, you will only challenge and be challenged by those in that level. Early on yes, its going to be quite random, as the levels sort themselves out, but eventually they will. :)

    -Y
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 28.01.2015
    Pingo42 wrote: »
    I know my horses aren't very good and I don't want to take part in these competitions at this time for that reason. But it seems I do not have a choice to compete or not:

    So when I lose as I inevitably will, I will be penalized:

    This seems very unfair to me. I need more time to try to improve the quality of my horses before competing. Please give people the ability to opt out of this if they don't feel ready for this sort of competition.

    Exactly my thoughts!!
    THX Pingo!
  • Lilypaddle (INT1)Lilypaddle (INT1) Posts: 614
    edited 28.01.2015
    I have to admit that I don't really understand the whole horse farm. I haven't really put much effort into it. I will probably concentrate more on it when I have everything else all done.
  • ritacba1 (AU1)ritacba1 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    edited 28.01.2015
    ok, so i have read it. and still confused, where is the incentive to do anything for the horse farm if it gives no benefits to the other farms or boosters/extras for the other farms.

    great to have something different to do. but honestly, you go in once ever four hours and your done. hopefully this update will change that. but no real rewards that are permanent additions to existing farms.
  • Pameow (AU1)Pameow (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    edited 28.01.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    People, look at what Hodor posted above. You can NOT lose points for being challenged in the bronze league. Only if you advance out of it.

    I don't think challenges require that the challenged be online. It says you have to set what horse you want to be in each type of event. If you don't a horse of yours will be chosen at random.

    -Y

    Penalty for losing is NOT ok, in ANY league, class, group, or call it what you like. The game designers are slow learners, did we not already have a rewrite of missions to get rid of the Penalty of loss of reputation points for losing?

    The incentive to go above the bronze league will be in part lost because of the current design version.
  • Maryann57 (US1)Maryann57 (US1) Posts: 90
    edited 28.01.2015
    It all looks very interesting and exciting,, Can't wait to see how well My horses do. I hope it's animated. Good Luck, may the best horse win!!!!
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 28.01.2015
    As I have understand most of it, I think this can go to be one of the best updates... if else it's bug-free.
    But it will be interesting to see how many players are in the same range like me (or better), because many players have told they don't understand how horse breeding works, and they will not work more with the horses.
    - especiality on the skn server, this will be interesting to see because there are lot more players on the us server than on the skn server.
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 28.01.2015
    Filipeczek wrote: »
    Hmm, very interesting. But I think other player cannot challenge me if I'm offline? I hope not! :)
    It's a pity that there will be penalty for loosing. Why? In the missions there is no penalty for taking last place so why should that be in horse competitions? If I get 0 points it's already not nice so why additionally take the points off if I loose?

    Hey Filipeczek,

    you can be challenged while offline or even while your horse is in a training session.

    The penalty for losing such a challenge initiated by another player is needed so we keep the divisions, leagues and rankings up to date and challenging. Else you could just work your way up to a high league early on, grab all class rewards on the way and then just wait till the season ends so you can get the league reward for the highest league you ever reached.

    We want you to put some effort into staying in the leagues you moved up into, that’s where that penalty comes into play and it will have a similar effect to the 10% reputation points we deduct from all of your accounts each week to keep the mission rankings active and challenging.

    With all of that said, you really have to keep in mind that you don’t lose anything in Bronze league and even in Silver league, the penalty is relatively small compared to the amount of ranking points you will earn for each victory.
    "If you happen to lose against a player you challenged yourself, there is no penalty. If, however, another player challenges you and you lose, there is a small penalty for this defeat."
    This should be the other way around.. if you challenge and lose the CHALLENGER should have a penalty. If someone challenges you, they are confident to win, therefore the one being challenged should not have a penalty.

    Hey AngieGamer,

    while making the mechanic work the other way around would have been an option, we decided against it for a specific reason: we want you to be active and to go out there and take your chance at challenging as many players as possible during each season instead of being passive and just sitting there, waiting for another player to challenge you.

    As I already said, the penalties, especially in lower leagues, are not something you need to be afraid of. If you win every once in a while, you will be able to make up for your losses easily.
    ritacba12 wrote: »
    ok, so i have read it. and still confused, where is the incentive to do anything for the horse farm if it gives no benefits to the other farms or boosters/extras for the other farms.

    Hello ritacba,

    there are several rewards you can use on your main farms. If you take the class rewards, for instance, there are lots of special consumables and other surprises to grab. ;)

    Regards,
    Steffi
  • Space cat (INT1)Space cat (INT1) INT1 Posts: 54
    edited 28.01.2015
    Well, if that is the end of the huge circle (island, seeds, ship, horse shoes, horses...), then I have to say: no thanks.
    What use will it be for a non-gold player to achieve much here? Lower levels will be farmed by higher levels and even more people will leave due to demoralisation... Seriously BF ?! Not happy.

    I like the game and will play on as long as my coop members stay with me, but I can't bother with the islands and ranch anymore.

    Just my personal opinion though.
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 28.01.2015
    Space cat wrote: »
    Well, if that is the end of the huge circle (island, seeds, ship, horse shoes, horses...), then I have to say: no thanks.
    What use will it be for a non-gold player to achieve much here? Lower levels will be farmed by higher levels and even more people will leave due to demoralisation... Seriously BF ?! Not happy.

    I like the game and will play on as long as my coop members stay with me, but I can't bother with the islands and ranch anymore.

    Just my personal opinion though.

    That's an absolutely valid opinion. Thing is, if you don't want to bother with the whole temp farm/ship/horse cycle, you absolutely don't have to - you will lose absolutely nothing :)
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 28.01.2015
    Space cat wrote: »
    Lower levels will be farmed by higher levels and even more people will leave due to demoralisation... Seriously BF ?! Not happy.

    In addition to what Timo said:

    You cannot choose your opponent (apart from the choice of 1 out of 3) in order to only select players with weak horses.
    The matchmaking system will balance it out as soon as players make slight progress and move up to another class or league, so lower levels don't have to fear anything at all. ;)
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 28.01.2015
    Latten wrote: »
    - you will lose absolutely nothing :)
    That depends on the yes who looking at it. :)
    - in Space cats's yes, it seems that you're right. :)

    But in my yes, Space cat lost the challenge there is in breeding horses (and get the rewards for it, e.g. one of the rewards are a gold mine license).
    If else enough players have breeded and trained up some good horses, I think these horse challenges can go to be fun and interesting... and then Space cat also loose that fun...

    But of course you're right, it up to everyone themself about they want to do that circle or not. :)
  • LeaderTracy2LeaderTracy2 Posts: 21
    edited 28.01.2015
    Hi Nafaru,
    Hell I'm so confused and now there is another update tomorrow and don't even now if my horse are ready for it. Also I'm stuck on the side task (Have 1 horse with breeding quality Level 1). I don't know if I should do it now or after the update.
    I have 3 horse a stable on Level 3 and I can upgrade it to Level 4. I don't know if I have good horses or not or which horses to breed together to get a good horse or what level they should be on to breed them. the more I'v read about it the more confused I am. Could you please help me and tell me if I'm on the right track or do I need more training or must I breed before or after the update.
    This is what I have -
    Horse 1 - breeding value 29 - breeding effects +4 elegance
    Horse 2 - breeding value 20 - breeding effects 0
    Horse 3 - breeding value 14 - breeding effects 0
    Breeding Horse 1 and 2 will give me a new horse with a breeding value of 24
    Training Points 25 in Strength - Training Points 26 in Agility - Training Points 22 in Endurance
    Strength -93% - Agility -95% - Endurance 95%
    ? +1 Random Breeding Effect

    Sorry i did post this on another thread but i cant find it
    Many Thanks
    leadertracy
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