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Update - Jan 15th - Cooperative Challenge 2.0 - Discussion

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  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.01.2015
    GGS have certainly told us all in no uncertain terms what their agenda is.. get GOLD sales and nothing more. For two days we have seen players and co-ops doing the missions and being proud of where they were in the rankings, then along comes the the buy gold and receive reputation points. Now those lower ranking co-ops who may have been doing missions 24/7 cannot compete with a co-op buying gold, 250,000 rep points is more than some players get through missions in a week. This is not now a mission challenge, the fun has been ruined by the greed of GGS who still refuse to fix 5 month old errors within the game. I cannot wait to read what total Bull Sh*** the managers come out with.
  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 19.01.2015

    This latest hot deal (buy gold and receive reputation points) which is active since a couple of hours mutates the cooperative competition into a complete farce

    By far the most shameful bit you have come up with so far in this game.


  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 19.01.2015
    Note: you can use this offer 7 more times.
  • Niryn (INT1)Niryn (INT1) INT1 Posts: 255
    edited 19.01.2015
    "Mutation" is the exact right word for what's happening to the game lately. Freemium games can be fun and successful without being total moneygrabs that you NEED to spend 200€ a month on or you might as well not spend any at all.

    Please do not make a competition at all if it's going to be impossible to even have a chance at all, that just borders on cruelty. We all had fun for a day or two but today it just feels like our co-op has started the race with all of our legs cut off while the superrich players have been equipped with a car so they don't even need to run the race with their legs... get the idea?
  • Lilypaddle (INT1)Lilypaddle (INT1) Posts: 614
    edited 19.01.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Just received a gold offer this morning, buy 15k gold and receive 250,000 reputation points for your team. So GGS's take on "earning" reputation points is different to mine, is there anything in this game that cant be bought? Very disappointed by the latest GGS offer, so many groups out there trying hard working as a team to advance in the competition and these incompetent fools offer up more ways for others to cheat the system. Its not hard to figure out why so many people are leaving this game.

    I am the type that goes with the flow, but I definitely agree with everyone on this. It really leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth.
  • tracey40 (GB1)tracey40 (GB1) Posts: 113
    edited 19.01.2015
    The levels of hypocrisy in this game are staggering. 'Oh no, we'd never send the ickle piggies to slaughter, all our horse non-gender specific' You can't write peacock in a DM without being told you are using offensive language and - the big lie - that co operative challenges are about a sense of shared community and achievement. Buying reputation points is about as offensive as the racial stereotyping that goes on in this game. Middle Eastern traders, white rasta bar owners, big mamma farm workers etc. Yes I know it's 'only' a game but I used to write for a German comic 20 years ago and if I'd have used any of those stereotypes I'd have lost my job - and that was 'only' a kid's comic strip. Sort yourselves out GG!

    PS. The ability to buy your way to the top of the league is now causing conflict within co ops. Players who have been working hard to get the the top of the co op league tables are now opting out of the challenge altogether because other players (who have hardly contributed to the challenge at all) have paid cash to take the top slot. So much for the Big Farm 'community'.

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • Annieplayer16Annieplayer16 Posts: 9
    edited 19.01.2015
    My co-op has worked really hard as a team, lots of players doing lots of missions. Now lots are just clicking the buy button and buying their reputation points and my co-op is doing the same to keep up and not lose our place in the rankings. But it has taken all the fun out of the challenge for me, it has taken all the challenge out of the co-op challenge. With so many people in my co-op buying reputation points, there is no need for me to do missions, so I will not be bothering any more.
  • Shaester2Shaester2 Posts: 4
    edited 19.01.2015
    Is there going to be a response from GGS on the buying Reputation Fiasco?
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 19.01.2015
    Hey everybody,
    LCCGamer wrote: »
    (...)Thinking more on this, it could be the 30% rep booster is already factored in to our rep result and then the machine adds 70% to the increased total. If that is the case, there would be no way to check if the boosters are working. It just seems to me that the logical place to add the boost is either together with the machine effect or after when the amount is added to the individual event total.

    We unfortunately currently have no tracking of the new reputation boosters, apart from the timer you will find below your happiness bar.
    The mission results page can only display the amount of additional reputation points gained through farm machines, everything else shows up as already boosted value.

    We've forwarded your wishes in regards to more information on these boosters in the user interface already.

    As for the Prime Day: Reputation points, we have also gathered and forwarded your feedback already and will continue to do so throughout the day for additional evaluation of this new feature.

    Regards,
    Steffi
  • Penfold (GB1)Penfold (GB1) GB1 Posts: 252
    edited 19.01.2015
    So much I could say... but I'll confine myself to two words; Disgusted, and disappointed.

    For the love of what little remains fair in this game; please remove this offer, rollback to before you implemented it, and never, ever, repeat it.
  • Sophee (GB1)Sophee (GB1) Posts: 7
    edited 19.01.2015
    Agree with you totally Penfold.
  • Annieplayer16Annieplayer16 Posts: 9
    edited 19.01.2015
    Yes Penfold, what an excellent idea. Roll back and reset!!!!!! I would Happily lose the RP I bought to have back the fun of the challenge, and I am sure many others would too.
  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 19.01.2015
    My co-op has worked really hard as a team, lots of players doing lots of missions. Now lots are just clicking the buy button and buying their reputation points and my co-op is doing the same to keep up and not lose our place in the rankings. But it has taken all the fun out of the challenge for me, it has taken all the challenge out of the co-op challenge. With so many people in my co-op buying reputation points, there is no need for me to do missions, so I will not be bothering any more.


    False !!

    First of all we are not "working hard", we are playing a game. Yes, we have been doing lots of missions and enjoying the chatting and playing together so far during the coop challenge. Chatting and enjoying the company of our fellow farmers is what we always do. Our coop has been ranking 3rd-4th in this competition all along

    As for lots of players in the coop going to buy their reps, not true !!

    Up to this moment in the UK server 5 players bought gold gaining 1.500.000 reps, and 4 more gaining 1.000.000 reps, none of them in my cooperative

    73 people in total have bought (to the moment I write) gold in much lower amounts, including yourself. Among these 73 players only 4 from our cooperative bought small amount of gold, and our cooperative has 51 members.

    I have bought no gold to take advantage of this opportunity, my 1.2 plus million reps gained since the beginning of the challenge are real reps earned playing missions




  • Penfold (GB1)Penfold (GB1) GB1 Posts: 252
    edited 19.01.2015
    Interesting statistics, PCA; just out of curiosity, how does one find out how many people have bought gold?
  • Stace8 (GB1)Stace8 (GB1) Posts: 9
    edited 19.01.2015
    We are a small coop that started in October last year (11 members). Again its the same old with the bigger coops getting the best rewards. Why not do a reward for the best lower coop also? We are at level 13 in the comp at the moment, but will never be able to keep up with the higher numbers in others. Although it has been fun, again its all down to how much money you are prepared to spend
  • Fran4 (GB1)Fran4 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 50
    edited 19.01.2015
    Well as leader of the no 2 co-op on en server i can assure you none of us have bought gold for this challenge and we wont be either. Disgracefull. we will be holding our heads high knowing it has been down to our members dedication. I told my group not to stress over this b4 it started funny how you know theres going to be a gold element somewhere.
  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 19.01.2015
    Penfold wrote: »
    Interesting statistics, PCA; just out of curiosity, how does one find out how many people have bought gold?




    Last night at the change of the week let's say, which is the time XPs and reps are reset to zero, I was still online playing missions

    As you know when clicking to start a new mission you are prompted with a new pop up window showing the weekly reputation ranking. This is how I saw that quite a few people had multiple of 250.000 reps already after only a few minutes the rankings were reset

    Still now the distinction between who bought reps and who didn't is quite obvious and it's something you can go and check by yourself quite easily.

    Not at all obvious however, and impossible to ascertain, is who bought because in need of more gold and who bought to get free reputation points

    Absolutely 100% obvious in all this situation is that GGS has had a horrible idea trying to sell gold with attached fat reputation bonuses during a challenge that seemed to have got the attention of so many players. Worse move ever !!




  • Emma66 (GB1)Emma66 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 134
    edited 19.01.2015
    Good points well made Penfold, I agree GG should reset the game!! I am a gold buyer and a gold user, did buy one lot of gold this morning, wish I hadn't now. Lots in my co-op now vowing not to for the duration of this challenge and like Sophee and Annie, I think we would all be much happier with a reset.
  • aaabbb1 (INT1)aaabbb1 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,049
    edited 19.01.2015
    PCA wrote: »



    Last night at the change of the week let's say, which is the time XPs and reps are reset to zero, I was still online playing missions

    As you know when clicking to start a new mission you are prompted with a new pop up window showing the weekly reputation ranking. This is how I saw that quite a few people had multiple of 250.000 reps already after only a few minutes the rankings were reset

    Still now the distinction between who bought reps and who didn't is quite obvious and it's something you can go and check by yourself quite easily.

    Not at all obvious however, and impossible to ascertain, is who bought because in need of more gold and who bought to get free reputation points

    Absolutely 100% obvious in all this situation is that GGS has had a horrible idea trying to sell gold with attached fat reputation bonuses during a challenge that seemed to have got the attention of so many players. Worse move ever !!





    Sorry, still not obvious to me. How can you check for a WHOLE server who bought gold and who did not. Unless the english server is a very small one with no more than a 100 people on it, I do not have a slightest idea how did you menaged to check RP for a whole server. You need to write down a rep. p. for everybody before the offer then at every half hour (or you can not distingish it from earning a reputation points). Checking it for your coop, that I do understand, but for the whole server? Or did you just check it for the people in the same mission than you?
    Sorry for my curiosity, but I would realy like if you can explain it it details for not so smart ones (me).
  • Pingo42Pingo42 Posts: 537
    edited 19.01.2015
    After reading PCA's post, I checked the weekly rankings on the US1 server where I play. There were players whose scores were exact multiples of 250,000. I think the only way to get a score that's an exact multiple of 250,000 is to have bought the points. But as for people whose scores weren't exact multiples, there is as far as I can tell no way to know if they earned all those points or if they bought some.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 19.01.2015
    A reset? If you wipe out all the actual hard work I put in, over a dumb-onager hot deal, I will be a heck of a lot more upset! 1.75 mil (max) reputation will account for perhaps 2-3% of a top 10 (in the US) Co-op's total by the end of the week. Yes if lots and lots of people in a Co-op buy it, the effect increases but its at best a minor tool, along with spending gold on Librarys/Co-op Boosters/and during the mission itself.

    -Y
  • Fawners (US1)Fawners (US1) US1 Posts: 436
    edited 19.01.2015
    A rollback for your blunder and stupidity for this coop challenge Hot Deal? Really GGS? Two wrongs do NOT make a right!
  • Penfold (GB1)Penfold (GB1) GB1 Posts: 252
    edited 19.01.2015
    Fawners wrote: »
    A rollback for your blunder and stupidity for this coop challenge Hot Deal? Really GGS? Two wrongs do NOT make a right!

    I wouldn't get upset about it, Fawners, if I were you... the chances of GGS taking notice of any of our feelings are probably remote, to say the least; and, as it stands, there is no indication of any sort of reset.

    I agree with you that, for those of us who've played for our points, it would be awful to have our "earned" reputation points removed by such an action, but I do think that those who "bought" reputation points could have them reset (and their money refunded for their purchase, of course) to return the challenge to its former state of play.
  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 19.01.2015
    Pingo42 wrote: »
    After reading PCA's post, I checked the weekly rankings on the US1 server where I play. There were players whose scores were exact multiples of 250,000. I think the only way to get a score that's an exact multiple of 250,000 is to have bought the points. But as for people whose scores weren't exact multiples, there is as far as I can tell no way to know if they earned all those points or if they bought some.


    Pingo / aaabbb,

    the weekly rankings have been reset to zero yesterday night at 11:00 pm UK time.

    People who only minutes after the reset time instead of zero rep points showed 250.000 or 500.000 or even over 1 and half million (in the weekly reputation ranking) have bought gold. Of course under different circumstances no one would be able to see which players are buying gold, nor should we care

    And today, the weekly rankings on the UK server show quite a few people who after only 1 night missions have more than a million reputation points. And even tho not exactly a multiple of 250.000, it's obvious that no one can make those many points in one night.

    As I already mentioned in my previous message, we cannot really tell who has bought gold to have more reputation and who instead just needed or wanted to buy some. But GGS sure had a very bad idea and better never again use this hot deal


  • Pameow (AU1)Pameow (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    edited 19.01.2015
    Last one to leave turn out the lights!

    But this latest and most admirable in scope, gold-grab is hardly a surprise, the farm has been pay to win for over a year now.
  • aaabbb1 (INT1)aaabbb1 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,049
    edited 19.01.2015
    O.k. I see it now.
    So, you look at the weekly rankings and those who have more than 1. mil reputation points either bought gold a few times or
    are consuming insane amounts of it :). Looking at our server, buying gold once is a bit gray area, as some players have little less than 250.000 RP (so earend int), but with those with over a mill. RP its almost certain that they bought gold.
    Thanks for explaining it, PCA.
  • JojoBellJojoBell Posts: 44
    edited 19.01.2015
    Emma663 wrote: »
    I think we would all be much happier with a reset.

    No we would not!! I agree, not fair play for the rep points purchase...but not grounds for a reset! All the time my co-op has put into the missions would be gone! We don't stand a chance of hitting the big levels of the challenge, but are proud of the work we do together, and the prize levels we have reached so far! Honestly, most small co-ops aren't affected by this since they wouldn't be up at that prize level anyway.

    I admit, hard for those who did the work and got up there. I don't think it is remotely right for them to have a rep points offer during the challenge!! Shouldn't be one at all, ever.

    No reset though! Boycott it, don't buy gold, whatever your pleasure on that. But no way should the game be reset over this...!!8| I've done too much in my game these last few days to have that happen.
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515
    edited 19.01.2015
    NO Rollback!!!! This is not wal-mart! I agree with the ones who don't like being able to buy RP. There is no challenge when you can just buy your ranking. If GGS did a rollback because of this & I lose what I spent my time doing (again) I think it would be time for me to walk away from this game. I think they should realize people aren't happy about it & not ever run this deal again. However, if they made a bunch of money from it they probably will continue to run that offer.

    What's next? Are people going to be able to buy a "win" when we have the horse competitions? Maybe we can purchase a gold pack to complete all our projects for us?
  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 19.01.2015

    I agree, a rollback is not a solution, not even close, and it would upset even more people

    A good and long lasting solution can be achieved when GGS changes its game design strategy and starts developing more competitive and fair products, the sooner the better.

    A well planned and fair game will result in higher profits for the company and a much higher user retention rate

    Little tricks like here is your new competition and oh... wait... here you can buy your result..... are going to deter good users instead

  • edited 19.01.2015
    I & several others that I have spoken to are getting bumped out of missions so that means the gold you used was used for naught
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