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Oh and btw I bred my horses before I read the rules so I am left with a less superior horse, Goldy and empty stalls, and whoever thought that up should go have to shovel real horse dung for a week on a real horse ranch. I thought the point of expanding the stables and the farm was to keep adding more horses and training them so you'd have more to put into competitions was the whole point of all this. If it isn't then what is the point? to only ever have one horse per farm? how nonsensical is that. All that time and effort and product for the boat to get horseshoes and I lose my good horse for an inferior one. I am ready to quit this altogether I am so discouraged.
Hyyyss, be quit about that!
Think if GGS read it? - they could get some ideas :thumbdown:
Ok, I agree that the first pair has the "common" in pink and the second pair has the breeding quality in grey, but it does say in the update information that:
"The foal will receive the more valuable parent's breeding quality level. The higher the foals breeding value, the higher the additional chance for an increase of its breeding quality."
So that means that my common quality 3rd generation and a normal 2nd generation will create a foal with a common quality and a chance of getting the next breeding quality (uncommon) yet two common 3rd generation horses don't??? How does this even work... 8|
I guess we all assumed that to get a better quality horse you take 2 of the best quality horses from the previous generation and breed them together, but obviously not...
Oh and before you start telling me that the new horse trains better and I get a third breeding effect slot, I KNOW that, but what I want to know is how this breeding quality works and what's the point of getting an equal horse to breed with if a lower level one does an even better job...
One more thing, I did breed the two 3rd generations, because there was no way for me to collect the gold horseshoes needed with this horse at the moment. Does GGS even think through these updates before you release them? These "collect X gold horseshoes" are easy if you have barely raced at all and challenging enough if you've won a couple of races, but when you start the first collect task with your opponents on lvl 60, it's nigh impossible... X( Would have been MUCH more logical if the task were "Win against all three characters at X level" like that one task that appeared out of the blue...
I was one of the few supporters of the horse ranch (without knowing what the rewards will be in the future) when SO many others were against it. I'm not sure now, it sounds just like one of those typical illogical BigFarm updates of recent times that I'm sick of seeing.
Yes, I have just do that today.
My Tarzan and Julie was both 3'rd generation horses:
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Since we just now have a viking farm, I choose to give that horse a name from the nordic mythology:
Sleippner.
Brian, both of my "3rd generation horses" are similar to the horse that you just bred, two effect slots and a "common" quality. What I mean was when you tried breeding TWO of those, that's when the quality issue comes in.
Anyway, never expected much with this forum, was just seeing if anyone else is having the same problem. The players that can answer probably won't and GGS... well, are they a myth? I'd more likely get struck by lightning on a sunny day than getting them to answer a question about one of their updates.
English is not my first language, and sometimes I have it a little hard to formulae what I want to say.
Because of that, I in this situation choose to show pictures, on that way people who not have trying to breeding the horses, also can see how it works..
I am especially little disappointed family tree because the announcement says:
and then after that:
Ehhh? how can I (if I not have taken notes about it) find the total family tree before my 4'th generation horse, when all it's parents and grandparents is gone?
Finally I have two horses at level 20. These two horses are my original one and one that was bought when two stalls acquired. Another breeding effect HAS shown up for the foal!...giving it two breeding effects now.
I am confused because so many people seem so far along. How on earth they are on third and fourth generations completely blows me away. YES...training is less (I've read)....but can you really get a quality horse(foal) by doing a bit more than the minimum required?
I can only assume that as I level my original horses...they will offer more breeding traits for my next generation and in turn create stronger generations of horses down the line.
This way makes more sense....but I am operating on intuition and logic .
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the horses top out at level 100...and by then I would assume the foal can max out breeding effects for the maximum second generation.
Would this not be the way to a 'legendary'?
Yon, leveling original horses will no do much. You need those generations to get higher up to get the extra breeding traits. this is from the original announcement about the horses:
Depending on the average breeding value of parent horses, different amounts of breeding effect slots are created for their child.
Foal breeding value 10 or higher: first slot is created
Foal breeding value 20 or higher: second slot is created
Foal breeding value 35 or higher: third slot is created
Foal breeding value 50 or higher: fourth slot is created
Foal breeding value 70 or higher: fifth slot is created
Foal breeding value 90 or higher: sixth slot is created
This means a fol has to have 35 BV to get 3 slots...... That will take forever with an original horse.
A new pony with MAX training will train as follows 0 to 10, 10 to 14, 14 to 15, 15 to 16. then it will not even get to 17 with 1 max training. It is going to take a looooong time to get an original pony to 35.
If however you take 2 originals to 15 and breed, their foal will then train (with one max training each time) from 15 to 25, 25 to 32, 32 to 34 and 34 to 35.
This is how I am so far along. If you have 2 original horses at 20, it is taking a long time to level them up. I have a 4th generation at level 51 because when breeding, the next generation will always train faster. (in the breeding window it will even give you a percentage at each station that they will train at faster that the parents)
I understand the reasoning that your new foal will have 2 slots, and that will make it a bit better down the line, but all the shoes and time it took to get there is a compromise. I guess each decision is a compromise. For instance, I am making sure a new slot is created with each generation (hence the 51 for my 4th generation), while others are breeding gen 3 without a BV of 35, maybe in hopes to up the quality quicker.
As for the "legendary" status, it seems like quality is really a roll of the dice.. why one with exact levels of another would go up in quality and one would not, shows it's totally random.
"Has anyone tried breeding two 3rd generation horses? I seriously do not get this... Two "common" quality 3rd generation horses and it does not show the "chance of a new breeding quality" icon in the breeding tab??? Yet a "common" quality 3rd generation and a normal 2nd generation does?"
Agons,
I bred 2 3rd generations and the "chance for new quality" did come up... I did not receive it however, my 4th generation still only has the "1" with the pink circle in the left corner. I do not know why your "chance" was not there.
On a side note I would level up your 3rd gens until the possible pony reads 35 or higher, because then you will receive 3 breeding effects instead of 2.
Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
Yes Angie, that's exactly what I meant. The "chance for new quality" did not come up when I bred the 2 3rd generations but it did come up for a 3rd generation and a 2nd generation. And since the foal gets the better breeding quality from either parents, then breeding a 3rd generation with a 2nd generation would be better than breeding 2 3rd generations, if you are aiming for breeding quality. Unless it's just a bug on my farm that the "chance for new quality" didn't appear but still applies.
Yup, I do know when we get another breeding effect slot and the one I bred yesterday had 3.
Now I've got a stable Lv3 with 3 horses, my best has BV24 (25/25/24) and after having gotten rewarded for a couple of tasks I now have a task that says appr.:
"Get 1 horse with BV20." But underneath the horshead it says "1/2".
So I'm guessing It should say:
"Get 2 horses with BV20."
Not a biggie..!
Well MrsSG, U wrote "left with a less superior horse", so I take it U bred Ur horses before they got BV10? Then they don't get "abilities" and so on. Well, I guess I dodged that one by luck... I can imagine I would feel odd breeding 2 BV8 and getting a BV4... Now that I'v read (parts of) Lattens description, I'm aware of the "ability threshold" every 10 levels, and I'm gonna be more careful...
But what U experienced is in that case a result of the strange "dissappearing parents"-anomaly.
Maybe my suggested "text message/sign" also should say somthin' like:
"...and don't breed horses with BV less then 10."?
BTW Brianno, as an old Red Dwarf fan I'm looking forward to breeding space wievels ov a moon 3 million light years away..!!!!
SMEG IT! I'm on!
Sorry for the double post MOD, but the "save" function doesn't work in "edit post" in firefox it seems...
I copied the wrong text in my last post. It should say;
"I can imagine I would feel odd breeding 1 BV8 with 1 BV2 and getting a BV5... Now that I'v read (parts of) Lattens description, I'm aware of the "ability threshold" every 10 levels, and I'm gonna be more careful...
But what U experienced is in that case a result of the strange "dissappearing parents"-anomaly.
Maybe my suggested "text message/sign" also should say somthin' like:
"...and don't breed horses with BV less then 10."?
I've only bred one horse but doesn't the "breeding window" show the foal's abilities..?"
[Posts Merged by Wabbit: Try restarting your browser to see if that resolves your issues with the edit button - Thanks]
It was very vague and a little bit deceptive. Especially if you are a quest addict - which many folks are. You & I plunge ahead into the task to find that the result is a horrific destruction of effort.
I think its thoroughly insane and quite horrid to only get to breed a pair of horses 1 time. As much time and money (money, shells and then horseshoes) you should at least get to breed the parents more than once. I can understand making the parents inactive for training and competition and then limiting the number of breeding uses (maybe 4 or 5x per horse) but 1 time and gone is just absurd.
A tiny degree of thought and effort could have made this a little bit better. Also I agree with the points made by previous posters - there should be some profit gained from the stables beyond more horseshoes.
Sorry GGS but real life farmers don't work the land just for kicks - they do it for profit (Just like you guys who make the game) - so things added to the game should contribute overall and have a useful purpose - not just be a money dump.
Also, I can't press the smiley-faces to get them. I write them manually. No prob.
Could it have anything to do with me having a Win7-64 os..?
I'm not blaming GGS! I just might be bunglingly incompetant...
I do however want to explain the double posts...
And that I'm not ignoring forum rules, I just cant't edit posts. Sorry in advance.
[I will PM you | Wabbit]
Another possible breeding problem I feel is crawling towards me is what happens if I skip a breeding/ability threshold (BV10, BV20, BV30, and so on).
Last (1st) time I bred a BV13+BV10=>BV11.
That BV11 is now trained to BV24 (25/25/24).
If I keep training it to BV30 and I do the same with my next horse, will I miss somethin'? Loose a task reward, maybe? Will the horse not be as strong as if I first breed parents at BV20+ and then train their kids to BV30 and breed them..???
I do think there should be a bit of mystery to the breeding process. I don't like if I'm able in advance to calculate exactly what I get when I breed'em. There should be an element of chanse! Also, the jockey is an important part. Do we get to train'em too? Or do we take for granted that all jockeys are exactly equaly good?
Breeding jockeys..??!!?? Now that's a whole new game..!
When it comes to competitions it seems that U've implemented a "chanse-generator" since it seems I've always got a certain %/chanse to win even against a better horse. If that's so - I LIKE IT!!! Thanx a lot GGS!!!
However, does this mean I don't get to breed jockeys..?!
Does it replace jockeys?
I'm guessing we'll be able to race other players in the future, and I would be very disappointed if it's impossible to beat a better horse. All horses can have good and bad days!
To Mandy, "...real life farmers don't work the land just for kicks..."
I agree with most U write, but not all. Like I wrote in my first post, in my opinion, this is NOT real life or even a game trying to imitate real life. In this game almost NOTHING AT ALL is the way, or function in the way it does on a real farm. ESPECIALLY if one compares to a organic farm! And the disapearing parents is not the most odd feature in BF... And we don't know how the stables looks when they're finished. There are a few buttons/features that are not avaliable yet. Maybee we'll get some profit out of the millions and millions and millions of $s we've pumped into the island and viking farms..? I certainly hope so!
Though I suspect the "Temp-Farm-Circle" (TFC), the circle of temp-farms, shells, runes, green house, shipping and stables, is just made to be a fun way for players above appr. Lv80 to spend all the money they get from the farming... And to slow down the speed of active players rapidly advancing through the levels by making them spend their money on the TFC instead of on upgrading their main farm. The stables being the end station for the money.
It could be worse...
In my opinion the stables could be amazing if it's developed properly. Until then the TFC feels like a money-vortex sucking me dry. So I activly only play it to a certain stage on the temp-farms and then use what I get out of it in the rest of the TFC... Simply put, I still prefer to uppgrade my farm at Lv87...
Although, the game $'s must dissappear somwhere, otherwise we'd all end upp with lots of fake game $'s...
Everyone's a trillionaire..!!! Just from farming..??!!?
Why doesn't it work that way in real life?
"I understand the reasoning that your new foal will have 2 slots, and that will make it a bit better down the line, but all the shoes and time it took to get there is a compromise."
Thanks you, Angie
Your reasoning is sound and you have convinced me to go ahead and breed.
The formula you showed works the same from level 20. One maximum train went to thirty for each stat. Second pull goes to 33.
I DO show a 1 in a red circle for the one horse that I now own....and it says 'common' when i hover there.
what does that number mean....and how can it change?
Getting your second generation foal to 35 should not take to long if it goes from 20 to 30, then 30 to 33 with max trainings. Getting another breeding effect for 3rd generation would give you a good chance for uncommon (assuming you will have another horse also at 35 to breed it with)
I do not know the formula for the quality level, since it is just a "chance".. even my 4th generation foal at 38 I did not get a 2
-Y
Yakoska do you know what value the breeding level has? I added up all my stats from strength, endurance and agility and my extra breeding effects, and the number is spot on for challenges. I don't know what my "common 1" horse really does in that area. I am guessing maybe just gives better breeding effects, not in the challenge themselves.
I've got one x-th generation horse but yes, it's just dung, because I just bred the horses when I could, which was from breeding level 10 on for the first and from then on whatever you wanted to waste.
And now I don't understand the thread anymore either, can't figure out how I get more than one extra trait to stick, obviously not the way I did it, but never will get 2 horses above level 35 with my lack of shells.
PS: intuition and logic don't really help with this game IMO.
If I understand breeding correctly, the chance for a new breeding quality depends on a breedning value and not on which generation the horse is. So if your 2nd generation horse had better breeding value tha your 3rd generation horse, than you get your situation. You have to train your 3rd generation horse a bit to get chance for breeding quality.
Be my best guess. I am too impatient with breeding, and I think I've cycled two of my 3 slots around without much improvement there. Heh.
-Y
Yes that is true, however, I have heaps of horseshoes, so every single training has been maxed. Therefore, my 2nd generation horse had a breeding value of 26 whereas my 3rd generation had a breeding value of 40, so that's why I don't get how my 2nd generation had a chance for breeding quality whereas the 3rd generation didn't... 8|
LOL Guess what? Our horses have no gender! 8o
Which makes breeding them somewhat awkward, to say the least! :S
When I got to 4th generation (3 effect slots) with only a Q1 I was not happy. Then I noticed I had a 3rd gen that was also a Q1. The gen4 was BV52, the gen3 was 36. The foal came out BV 44 (not too much drop off the 52) and got the quality upgrade (Q2) I was hoping for. 44 trained to 48 in one maxed or 47 in one no-intensive (lvl 5 arenas) in one pass per.
As there are 7 generations and 6 quality levels, I have a feeling the closer you are to max for a generation (the closer to opening the next effects slot) the more likely you are to get the quality upgrade. Only time and experience will validate this. I do know my gen1's trained to 15 then bred are running about 1/3 quality1 in the foals.
Or will i get elegance + another trait? How do I get the horse to carry 2 traits instead of one? I have read all over and I still don't get that. Is it they both have to be 20 to open up the second trait slot? I don't want to lose the trait I already have, so I'm gonna wait till I hear before I breed again. Thanks
Yes, you will open onother thrait slot if both horses are above level 20.
Sooner or later you will need to let traits go.
As stated, the number you will be able to pass on, will depend on the breeding level of the parents. You will be able to see how many traits in the Breed tab. They will be represented by the empty "?" boxes on the right side of the prospective foals box.
-Y