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Update - December 11th - Horse breeding and other surprises - Discussion thread

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  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 10.12.2014
    Nafaru wrote: »
    Hey Trippel2,

    you will always face the character. The character's horse has a maximum level (much like your horse's breeding value that is an indicator of attribute levels). Once your opponent's horse gains level 100, it won't get much stronger. However, if you keep winning against the owner, their experience level will still go up a little further, increasing their "luck" slightly.

    So if you were to face a level 110 George, your horse will compete against a horse that has roughly the same stats as a horse with breeding value (level) 100, but George's chance to win is slightly increased because of his experience with horses. You can of course counter this with a specialized horse that has good breeding effects. ;)

    Regards,
    Steffi

    Hey Steffi,

    Thanks for explaining.
    If I understand this correctly,
    Any new horse you buy starts with stats 0/0/0.
    Any horse you breed will inherit some (players choice(?)) talents from its parents and starts with higher stats.

    What will be the difference in stats between a fully trained new horse and a fully trained thoroughbred horse?
    Or, if none, what other benefits are there to create a 'perfect' bloodline?

    Greetsz,Trippel.
  • DeAnna777 (US1)DeAnna777 (US1) Posts: 148
    edited 10.12.2014
    I agree the update details are a bit overwhelming and confusing, but i am willing to wait and give it a spin first before passing judgement on it. Sometimes actually doing something and being able to visualize the process simplifies what otherwise seems very complicated by a written "how to" version.

    This might turn out to be a very engaging update. Years ago i played a game where you had to keep track of genetics in order to breed and produce special fish...it was a long process but it was fun. Not sure how the horse ranch process will end up working out but it might be fun. I certainly welcome more challenging aspects of game play that goes beyond mindless clicking...as long as their is a meaningful purpose and it is presented in a way that is not confusing- unlike the way the ranch we have now was presented. Guess we shall see soon enough.^^
  • JenabeJenabe Posts: 5
    edited 10.12.2014
    The fact that the competitions are supposed to get even HARDER is making me very nervous. It's nearly impossible to win competitions as it is, we really don't need to make it any more difficult to win and collect golden horseshoes.
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 10.12.2014
    Trippel2 wrote: »
    Any horse you breed will inherit some (players choice(?)) talents from its parents and starts with higher stats.

    What will be the difference in stats between a fully trained new horse and a fully trained thoroughbred horse?
    Or, if none, what other benefits are there to create a 'perfect' bloodline?

    Hey Trippel,

    that's right, you can choose some of the foal's talents. :)

    The difference between a bought horse that was just trained to a high level and a thoroughbred of the same breeding value (level) will lie in breeding effects, breeding quality and decreased amounts of training points needed for attribute level-ups.

    I'll call the thoroughbred "horse A" and the other horse "horse B" from now on to make it easier to understand.

    Breeding effects will bring attribute increases.
    So while horse A will gain up to 6 bonuses to its attributes through breeding, horse B won't get any of these.

    Breeding quality can only go up through breeding. The higher the quality, the higher potential randomly generated breeding effects in the process. So the aforementioned bonuses can get bigger the higher the quality.

    And on top of that, as you know already, more and more training points are needed after each attribute level-up. Breeding will have decreased the training costs for horse A, whereas you have to collect more training points for horse B to get to the same attribute levels.

    Also, horse A is a better parent than horse B could ever be, because horse A can pass on breeding effects and breeding quality to the foal, on top of the breeding value and breeding slots that would come with horse B as the foal's parent.

    Phew, it's actually harder to explain than it will look once the feature is ingame. So many terms. ;)

    Cheers,
    Steffi
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 10.12.2014
    zzz... whats with all the discussion..i just relax and move to horzses when am waiting for the harvest and stuff.i don' tfeel to comment on it more than this..so far..
  • farmerjohn 22 (US1)farmerjohn 22 (US1) US1 Posts: 37,770
    edited 10.12.2014
    Question: Will the update be postponed since there are now some technical problems you have to deal with?
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 10.12.2014
    @Steffi,

    Thanks again for explaining, it seems pretty straightforward.

    Greetsz,Trippel.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 10.12.2014
    this is the summary of what i understood from the official announcement:

    " blah blah blah complicated complicated complicated blah blah blah blah"

    don't get me wrong, I'm ok with that though^

    but one important thing is still missing:
    what do we even get after doing all that?!!!! still can't see what's the prize or the point even for doing so much for the horses anyway.
  • Margit kattMargit katt Posts: 153
    edited 10.12.2014
    jaclark2 wrote: »
    Why would you spend all the time and effort required to train horses only to have "the parents" disappear after the "foal" arrives.
    Not worth it.

    Exactly my thought too.. I want to keep the horse I've put down so much effort in! It's only when the stable is full I will consider sell one or more of them.

    And also. How will this benefit my main farms?
  • Gwendolen (US1)Gwendolen (US1) Posts: 1,268
    edited 10.12.2014
    I still don't like the idea of parent horses dissapearing when you breed a foal :(
  • nannsi (SKN1)nannsi (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 325
    edited 10.12.2014
    i agree

    if you breed a good foal, you would want to breed more with same parents
  • muggle1 (GB1)muggle1 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 124
    edited 10.12.2014
    I hate my horse. Boring git. Can't believe after so long of waiting watching my horrid waste of time horse standing about in the mud and losing 'competitions' we are now going to have such a convoluted breeding programme to complete which doesn't sound fun at all:( And still compete agains the farm characters, who are still going to be way ahead of us. The island, boat and greenhouse are all great ideas, but really not worth it when all they lead to is horse breeding. Such a lot of effort to create virtual horse shagging.
  • FarmerVadaFarmerVada Posts: 13
    edited 10.12.2014
    I hope that GGS's ,will fix the Island for those of us , that had it take away our's money and all of our's shells before the time is up. We need they too give us our's time back and everything we lost.
  • edited 11.12.2014
    FarmerVada wrote: »
    I hope that GGS's ,will fix the Island for those of us , that had it take away our's money and all of our's shells before the time is up. We need they too give us our's time back and everything we lost.

    http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?127814-Announcement-Technical-problems-December-9th-Island-Farm-and-Winter-Event-reset

    Here is the link to the information about a reset for the glitches. See post #2.


    Also, all posts about the event glitchs/reset are here:

    http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?127747-Events-Reset-!!-Island-Farm-amp-Xmas-Tree&p=1510331#post1510331
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.12.2014
    nannsi2 wrote: »
    i agree

    if you breed a good foal, you would want to breed more with same parents

    This this this yes.

    And seriously, level 100??? Using horseshoes?? That if you can't fill the ship without island fruit, you are lucky if you get 100 horseshoes at a time for training (and not a lot more than that even if you do fill the ship)? And then you lose faaaaaaar more than you win once you reach a certain level - like level 8 (out of 100!!!)...???

    And you really expect most players to be able to access the horses to such a level that they can max out in training and then breed more???

    Because, you know, logic dictates. More horses = less horseshoes to spend per horse on training. Which means the infinity already spent on training becomes infinity squared, or something, and losses pile up a geometric rate which means even less horseshoes to upgrade stuff...

    I mean, am I missing something huge here or is the method of acquiring horseshoes going to be adjusted to account for a greater stable of horses...???

    Lots of questions and the answers really aren't clear. Saying there will be a tutorial, fine, *maybe* that will help (we'll see) but what about the concerns that have been raised already...?

    P.S. omg muggle I am dying over "virtual horse shagging"... :thumbsup:
  • Callie1 (US1)Callie1 (US1) Posts: 6
    edited 11.12.2014
    Man I totally agree with you!!!!!
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 11.12.2014
    starsie wrote: »
    but what about the concerns that have been raised already...?

    Hey starsie,

    of course, as always, we forward your feedback on the feature, before and after it goes live.
    You have to keep in mind, however, that this is supposed to be a feature that takes a while to 'complete'. We don't expect you to have 2 level 100 horses by tomorrow, next week or end of this month even. It will take quite a while to progress and that is intended. :)

    Regards,
    Steffi

    PS: Off-Topic removed. If you would like to discuss moderation measures, do so via private message. Also if you would like to criticize, please stay productive and watch your language. ;)
  • Margit kattMargit katt Posts: 153
    edited 11.12.2014
    Still. WHY would I get rid of good breeding horses. That's NOT logical! Also. In ANY other horse game existing you NEVEr put up a new horse against elite horses. Especially not in the real world! Never mind genetic inheritance. That's something you just don't do! You NEVER, EVER put a young horse into an elite class. You ALWAYS start in lower grades.
    A serious breeder would never get rid of good breeding horses - especially not stallions unless they get paid enough (I'm talking millions here). Therefor a good and fully trained horse should not only give you a way better foal in potential - you should also get PAID to dispose of it.Anything else is just ridicolous.

    Also. If Lester's etc horses always are better than mine - how can I ever win and upgrade? As someone said. As it is now it's almost impossible anyway.

    And there's still no answer how this benefits the farms.

    I will NOT get another horse until I know it's worth breeding in a correct way. Bredding is okey it takes time, but as it sounds now it's not fair game.

    I even think of stopping all this with the horses until everything looks okey.
  • Dorf (GB1)Dorf (GB1) Posts: 1
    edited 11.12.2014
    I have a different sort of complaint. This morning I was happy in the knowledge that I'd fill the boat after a couple of harvests of the one thing I was short of. It would be a quick thing and I had lots of time before me.
    Suddenly, the update. I didn't know about it. Yes, I could have if I'd looked in here. Whatever. After most of the day not being able to log in, when the update time was finally done I find that the timer hasn't been stopped in the meanwhile, which means I have a boat leaving in two minutes and no way of completing the load. I'm annoyed.
  • Holly Jo ElleHolly Jo Elle Posts: 2
    edited 11.12.2014
    I don't know how the whole breeding is gonna work
    --but say when we're able to get much more horses
    shouldn't there be something that indicates what gender the horse is?
    cause my horse names are gender-neutral...
    (since I wasn't sure if supposed to be male or female)
    and I don't wanna get confused later on with which horse is what.
    Especially if we gotta breed 'em and all that.
    so like maybe around boy horse make the box blue
    & a pink box around the girl, or something.
    or have it say boyname or girlname next to where we type the name
    that way I know to name the boy John instead of Jane ;
    and name the girl Leia instead of Han
    And so on and so forth and what have you.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 11.12.2014
    this is freaking ridiculous, we spent over 80000 horseshoes for 1 horse to reach lvl 10, and now with only 1600 horseshoes can make another horse lvl 13?!!!!
    what about compensation for those lost horseshoes? if you have so freaking reduced the needed horseshoes for training points to reach lvl 10, shouldn't our original first horse be at much higher level than just remain at lvl 10?!

    this is insane... keep getting more disappointed only.

    this literally means you have fooled us to waste so many horseshoes on the first horse for NOTHING! take back this useless first lvl 10 horse and give me back my 80000 horseshoes.
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 11.12.2014
    Quote from the annoncement:
    A new quest chain, comparable to one of the island chapters, will grant you some nice rewards if you follow through with it.
    Facts from my farm:
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    To me, this "reward" for upgradung the horsestable is not a reward, it's a punishment!

    I can easy myself make all that feed my animals need, and the same with humus and fertilizer!
    - This means, when I get feed, humus and fertilizer as "reward", I have to choose between 2 options:
    1. Let my mill, silo and composter have a rest (more then they already have sometimes), which means they in that time don't drop anything (collectibles, water etc.)
    2. Produce overflow so I have to sell with a loose.

    Some real rewards would to me be things like collectibles, gold, special seeds to the greenhouse, golden horseshoes and other usefull things.
  • Ria_ ()Ria_ () Posts: 280
    edited 11.12.2014
    My dark horse looks as blonde as blonde horses while they are training or should I say standing.
  • Max999 (GB1)Max999 (GB1) Posts: 107
    edited 11.12.2014
    Has anyone noticed the addition of berries to be planted in the greenhouse and Runestnes to be collected in a Viking Farm??????? What is that all about?
  • Max999 (GB1)Max999 (GB1) Posts: 107
    edited 11.12.2014
    Sorry....That should have read Runestones.
  • edited 11.12.2014
    This game is becoming ridiculous.

    You can't seem to be able to make up your mind with what and how should be on the farms. Changes are for worse Todays update was a disaster - the game was out for 5 hours. I don't have time to check the forum regularly and it would be a great idea if we could get a notice on the farms - not a few seconds before the upgrade/maintenance starts, but at least a day earlier and saying exactly what time it will start and how long it will take. After today's update I am so behind with everything and won't e able to get enough fertilizer for my orchards ( so fewer cherry cakes and so on and so on).

    I do hope that we will get some compensation for the failed upgrade today! Seriously this game is not worth spending any money on.
  • farmerjohn 22 (US1)farmerjohn 22 (US1) US1 Posts: 37,770
    edited 11.12.2014
    I would like to mention something about this latest update that has yet to be addressed.
    Has GGS forgotten that KIDS play this game? One could only imagine the disappointment a child would have after anticipating playing with the horses,working their farms up to Level 16 to get the ranch, only to find that it's about as much fun as doing homework.:(
  • Ria_ ()Ria_ () Posts: 280
    edited 11.12.2014
    I wonder what happened today, I got the impression it wasn't just this game that didn't work, but all/a lot of their games. I got in for a short while after less than an hour since the update started, all changes seemed to be done at that point.
  • splash (INT1)splash (INT1) Posts: 6
    edited 11.12.2014
    Yes I think that is the point I'm getting to - I would rather spend my money on other games at the moment
  • Seeker1 (US1)Seeker1 (US1) US1 Posts: 571
    edited 11.12.2014
    I hope "SET FREE" has a confirm screen.. I would hate to accidently press it and have one of my horses run off into the sunset.

    That button scares me.:pinch:
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