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EDIT: whatever happened to the surprise we were suppose to keep our eyes peeled for, the weekend of the BIG mess with the tractor update? Another lie?
edited: just had a thought. In one post it was hinted that there would be a new buying/selling option (maybe a market). Surely the people who use their farms as factory farms will just use the market to buy the crops they need, the way that they purchase them at this moment in time. Or am I just being cynical?
These people are your fans and paying customers, and this is how you show respect? By testing them to see how they will react, what buildings they will be forced to demolish?
And what then? Once they adapt to the change and create a new strategy (if they actually keep playing, that is) you will change the rules again?
Unbelievable.
An answer from a CM:
;(
The problem is that people have invested in the way things currently are and dont tend to like change.
Adaptability can be part of the strategy. I will be evaluating the changes on the basis of would I play it from scratch and what can I do to exploit the new rules.
What is the cost of change here vs starting fresh with another game.
Yeah its a bummer that they test and learn on production servers, however they are not the only ones. Typically though companies have a set of friendly customers that they do this with.
Wow. Just... WOW.
Just when I think the idiocy can't possibly be worse... So let me get this straight.
1. You decide to test ON LIVE SERVERS,
2. A "feature" YOU ADMIT that you KNOW PLAYERS WILL HATE,
3. And YOU DON'T CARE THAT THEY HATE IT,
4. And you plan to make them continue to suffer the burden FOR TWO MORE MONTHS,
...and you apparently don't see why OTHER PLAYERS on OTHER SERVERS might be upset too??? It has NOTHING to do with anyone trying to "rile" people up - YOU ARE THE ONES DOING THE RILING!!!!
Great googly moogly, what terrible decision making and completely inept customer service. And I can be upset for fellow players being subjected to it, thanks.
Para mostrar a minha solidariedade para com os meus colegas agricultores nos servidores brasileiros e italianos , eu não vou estar jogando o jogo durante o tempo que esta falha de um teste é executado , e se a compra de produtos com dólares fazenda é removido do jogo , eu estarei parar permanentemente.
Per mostrare la mia solidarietà con i miei colleghi agricoltori sui server brasiliane e italiane , non sarò il gioco per tutto il tempo questo sicuro di un esecuzioni dei test , e se l'acquisto di prodotti agricoli con i dollari viene rimossa dal gioco , sarò smettere definitivamente .
We all can be upset for fellow players!!!
I am, really upset!!!!
-Y
Once again a poor choice of wording.....
Sono Italiano, patrimonio e quindi a tutti i miei connazionali mi dispiace per il disagio che si sta vivendo tutto con il gioco e il nuovo "test"!
As said before, we're planning to add another, big feature, that will be in place for the current, direct 'buy products' option. There's absolutely no need to assume that any already spent Dollars and gold will be "gone".
For those of us that was so stupid to spend gold also, the loss is for the total amount.
There is 85k registered players on the us server at the moment. 34k is on lvl.1-5, 33k is on lvl.6.30 and only 17k has continued to play the game further than lvl 31 . You do not need to be a scientist to see that all is not well in" paradise". The intern that came up with this idea will proberly cost BF a lot of players.
You are planning.. you are planning the horses for a few months now.. How long will you be tormenting those unfortunate Italian and Brazilian players? How is it that you find this to be OK? What kind of morality do you apply here, if any?
Again, as said before, the test will run for 1-2 months, the new market feature will be there shortly after that. I would love to give you exact numbers, but sadly I don't have any just now.
Latten, I know there will be 1-2-3 months... and what a torment it is for them!
My question was rhetorical. I wonder how do you sleep at night.. or those colleagues of yours, responsible for this unique decision...
I also wonder how many Italian and Brazilians would stick around to see that market.. Probable only those registered in these months, because any old decent player that owns a spine should be already sailing for new shores...
But than again, you've made your decision and nothing that we say would make any difference... If this lack of respect can still happen in our days, than nothing more can be added to the subject.
Meanwhile you will lose a lot of players, mainly because you didn't think about a few "small" details.
Let me explain, this what´s happening in the Brazilian Server(the biggest BF playing community), a lot of players have decided to stop buying gold and worse than that they have decided to stop spending the gold they still had, as direct consequence of this cooperatives have stopped doing projects, because they lack items to complete the projects and their members refuse to use gold to buy them, you may not know but the projects and the cooperatives were what kept many players in game after some of the disastrous updates made this year, it worked like a bond, some players stayed in game cause of the friends they had in their cooperatives and to help their cooperative, and although they played less than before they stayed in game to help their cooperatives to complete the projects, currently a lot of cooperatives stopped doing them, so that bond is being severed and a lot of those players are migrating to other games.
If you add to that some statements made by the Portuguese CM like this one, you have the perfect recipe for disaster
"Entre outras coisas, afinal não é segredo que a GGS se trata de uma empresa e precisa de monetizar os seus produtos. Mas primordialmente será feita uma análise mais complexa que abrangerá o número de cliques feitos nas fazendas em cada funcionalidade, o que será demolido, o que será construído, tempo de jogo, eventos mais ou menos aliciantes, entre muitos outros elementos de jogo - como havia explicado antes esta é uma tentativa de alcançar um equilíbrio real no BF e otimização dos seus processos."
Translation
"It's no secret that ggs is a company that needs to make money with it's products. This test is a complex analysis of the number o clicks made in the farms for each feature, of what will be demolished and built, of the time spent in game,of which are the most attractive events, and also of other features of the game- it's an attempt to reach real balance in BF and optimize processes."
Not much to be said that they will listen to, anyway, you are right.
But you know, I logged in to my farm today to see a very nice 140% offer that was very tempting with a balance of regular farm & island farm items.
And if it had come out last week, before all of this came to light about forced testing of an option that NOBODY aside from the click-counters wants in place, I would totally have gone for it and spent my money on gold and bonuses.
Nope. Not today. Not today, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month. NOT UNTIL the forced test ends... and maybe not even then. Who knows what ludicrously illogical decision awaits around the next corner?
It's not rocket science, for Pete's sake. You DON'T NEED to count clicks to find out what people want and don't want. You could, you know, ASK.
Sheesh.
But whatever, you don't care what I think or have to say. So... I don't care to spend my money on your game.
*shrug*
How does it feel to log in the game you play for 18 months and find out that an import game feature, pillar of your strategy, has been removed with no advance notice, with no decent explanation at all? (Brazilians were not included in the ”mini update” official announcement due to a “communication mistake” and the others were informed only 2 days ahead!)
How does it feel to learn that this is happening only in your server and 2 more lucky ones because it is a test that programmers need to run to introduce new features to the game and you have been chosen? (Why us? You got suitable numbers, answers the CM).
Well, the feeling is that the company decided to turn some of their costumers into guinea pigs so they can study our farming behavior and get feedback on how we adapt to the new rules (this is basically what our CM answered when asked what was the ”test” about). It doesn’t matter if this will mess with what we have built, investing time and real money…
Results so far: our forum is in a terrible mood…angry, raging and upset people… punishments, banishment, hidden moderators….by the posts and messages spread over the coops I can tell players are divided in two major groups: the one that decided to leave the game and the one that decided to stay to sabotage the test and boycott GGS ...
So sad…
That' great!! Sabotage might be the only thing GGS will understand, if they do not listen to reason. So yes, I support you!!
The Italians should sabotage the test as well...
Thank you very much.
I think you are missing the real issue here, this isn't about the Brazilian forum or the Brazilian server, it's about what you guys are doing with 3 live servers, using real players that have spent real time and money to progress in game as guinea pigs, I'm giving feedback about the Brazilian one because I have friends there so I have some inside knowledge about it, but it could be any server I would still be against it, because it's just wrong.
You may say that GGS has the right to do whatever they want with their servers and their games since that's stated in TOS but when you deal with real people most of them adults, you have to be prepared for the consequences, for every action there's a reaction, and the reaction can go beyond BF itself, because many players that are quiting the game have already stated that they won't play any GGS game in the futur.
This. This this THIS, a million times THIS.
How can we discuss an element of which you/GGS give nothing but veiled hints at? We had to drone on and on at great length before you even hinted at it. Maybe tell us about it and we might discuss it. Just come out with an update post of what you plan and THEN you have the right to say if the thread is veering off course. Come on now, we can talk about something you don't tell us what it is? Think about what you are saying and the hypocracy involved.
Also.... we'd love to make this not about Brazilian and Italy server/forums. Uh, we weren't the ones that used them as a beta test group and made profit off it it, though. Of course we're going to stand here open mouthed wondering how you feel it's right to do that to people. How about stopping it and taking a different path. Give those people the product they paid for as opposed to a product you decided to change in the middle of the meal while eating. Also..... three words.... "WE ARE SORRY". Try it.
Playing games with people's money isn't a safe thing to do. I'm shocked nobody on those servers and this one doesn't make a new game of thier own and do it right back by not buying gold anymore. How would that feel, hmmm? I bet you'd stop printing code for that one.
Don't understimate one person standing up and taking a stand, getting others to follow. All it takes is the one. If you think it's not possible, you should look up names like Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Che Guevera, Harriet Tubman and Anna Hazare. We can find a different game. Can you find a different gaming company for income as easily? *shakes head at the lunacy within all of this lately*