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Mismatched Missions - Unfair?
Artmaker
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But dang. I thought they at least tried to pair up people with similar farms so it's a matter of who is paying attention, who harvests and plants fastest. But I keep landing up against people there is no way in hell I could possibly challenge.
I have 4 cows, 4 chickens 3 pigs. Three farms all have the same. ALL THREE this morning went up against people in the POO mission and right off the bat I'm 2000+ behind????
So I looked up their farms. 12 fully upgraded cow sheds 10 chickens on one farm.
Another had a dozen or so of those small fields, 10 cows, 12 chickens.... ALL fully upgraded blue houses, blue barn, gold only decor.
What the hell? This is no challenge for those folks. One harvest and I'm out of the running.
The only good thing about this is we get certs even if coming in last place. But still. Why bother? My last tractor upgrade brought happiness up ONE LOUSY POINT!
And by the way. What do rep points do? Anything? Should I care of the game punishes me for not playing in these dumb missions at all? I stopped playing them before this upgrade and never missed it. Though I'd like to see what the tractor upgrades actually do, (perhaps that first one isn't the best.) But still. This is SO dumb. (Especially flowers. I hate that one.)
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The missions are much more enjoyable when there's a tight race and everyone is on the same playing field. Not so much when one person is miles ahead of everyone else.
On the rep points issue, I don't really play into it. I played Empire. I played Gangster. Two similar games where level and ability meant something. Here, it means nothing unless you actually do those missions. Even then, a hyperactive level 40 can take on a slim build level 70 if they are aligned to make eggs. ( read 8 chicken coops Vs. 2 on the higher level). Is the mating fair? No. But it seems you are mated with others who have the same mission gains. Unfair, I know. What happens when a level 15 goes up against a level 150 who never does a mission. *BOOM* dead in the water. A bit unbalanced, likely.
rep points do have an advantage. If you are in a co-op and looking for active members ( before this whole tractor thing, anyways ), it was a good way to see who really worked hard and had that fight spirit in them. In a co-op, activity means EVERYTHING. Levels matters not. I'd take a hyperactive level 20 over a once every three days level 50. Now it's a bit ruined and the tactic has to change, though.
All in all, is it worth the frustration? If I had to give a review of the tractors, pushing a style of play ( competition ) and overall? I would say no. 2 out of 5 stars, so to speak. Most people are here due to build aspect. If the player vs. player aspect was wanted, you could go to another of the GGS games. We have sometimes players, momentary through the day players, etc. A more uhm.... relaxed crowd, if there is a label to assign.
The game doesn't punish you if you don't do the missions. Not even a little. It just doesn't reaward you anything in the way of the tractor facet and competiton of play mode. I'm ok with that. The gains are minimal at best and I'm not here to say my cows are better than your cows. So what if they are so ninja like that they tip themselves on occassion :P
The next time you are caught in that bind of slanted you Vs. a behemoth type play, just do what you normally do in the way of farming. Let it go, let it go, let it go. Grab your certificate and move onto the next mission. Another hint is to let everythig be "at the ready" and then search for a mission. This way from the onset you can have a quick release and gain. A LOT of people do that. At rare times, I have seen people spend gold on crops to gain the advantage ( Dear God, WHY, I do not know ).
Good luck. I hope something up there helped.
My point of view on Missions/Certs and the Garage is simple. They are a very small add on. If you click mission, and run your farm the way you want to, at some point, you will be rewarded for this. Faster if you play a lot. Slower if you play a little.
The only way they detract from the game is if you let them. That is. If you are competitive and you care so much about winning a mini-game within the larger game that you don't want to play if you lose, OR you keep looking over the fence at someone else's greener grass (or faster building machines). If you keep your eyes focused on your farm (i.e. don't even hit refresh in a mission) you will eventually be pleasantly surprised by a bonus machine here or there.
To the critics who say the machines aren't worth the effort to win missions, I agree. But they are worth the effort to click 'find mission'. I mean, how hard is that?
Edit> As for the title I agree... they aren't fair... and they aren't fun (for me). They just provide a little bonus now and then.
At least you don't have to be in the top three to win something anymore. So that much is good. So even if all I do is harvest, which shows I did something. I'll get something.
But it's no challenge. Not for me up against people way below or way above me. And not for others way below or way above me. The pairing system here is horrible.
now... to GGS..... It is sometimes tempting to push a harvest if your close. If a reward for a half hour of planting flowers over and over is a few extra certs, then yea, it's very tempting to spend a few coins and push a crop or two. But when one is THOUSANDS behind? What's the point? Just take what ever I get and be done with it.
So besides the fact it's not fun for us, it's not very profitable for you.
Someone aught to rework how people are paired up. IE same number of farms, fields, sheds what ever. Same or similar levels. So the way to win is either be faster, not walk away, spend gold, and like that.
Right now? Bah, who cares. I'll take what ever number of points and certs I get and move on.
1. The people you are paired with are not necessarily based on your levels. This is where Rep points come in. You get paired by the rep points (to the best of their ability of course, this number changes daily). Therefore that is why you lose them when not playing. So you will not always be, lets just say number one, even if you are not in mission any longer. This is why you get low level player and high level players. 10000 Rep points can be gained in one simple mission. So if you are within even a 10000 reach of the other person rep points, you're still pretty even.
2.No matter what, Not everyone is going to have the same amount of sheds, coops and fields. If you were paired this way, more than likely you would always play the same people. Also these numbers can change daily. GGS would have to re-evaluate every day to suit this matter.
3.Gold. Pushing. Another reason why you are paired with people of all levels. Someone who is level 40 can use more gold than someone who is level 90. Its always a possibility that someone is waiting until the last very second, to just annoy the heck out of you and push their way to the spot you worked for. Annoying as it is, this is what pays for the game.
4. As the games go on, Rep points are earned, Im sure this will work itself out more. At least I'd hope so.
5. Just put SOME effort into the mission so you'll at least gain a small amount of certificates in which you can put toward your garage.
Altogether I like the missions. I usually start one about 20 before my harvest is due. Then wait until i get the one i want. However I will not harvest things I will soon need for a co op project.
I agree. I'd rather win the ones that i have produce available already. There's much better use for gold. Some mission i do great. Others , like corn and wildflowers, I don't usually do so great.
LIke this...very true very smart
Not only GGS do that.
All online games, also games from other providers than GGS have a lots of things designed so you have to pay real money to play the game, and Bigfarm is the only game I know of this type of games, where you can buy all the land with game-dollars.
- I have try several games from other providers, where it's only the first 10 lands you can buy for the ingame-money, rest of the land-expansions you only can buy for real money.
This is simply not true. I have several Free-to-play games I play that have only vanity items in the cash shop. That were designed in fact so that the free-to-player player could be competitive without spending a dime. Games that have been going on for 5 years or more with no signs of going belly up. GGS however goes with the 'get rich quick' business model. Their games seem to run 1-3 years and then development stops on them, and support practically vanishes.
My point though was that there's no sense complaining about how unfair anything in Big Farm is - It's that way by design.
Just started the flower mission.
RIGHT OFF THE BAT someone has get this..... 810,209 I looked at their farm and they have only four firtile fields. WITH CORN IN THEM. Is this a bug? Glitch? What gives here?
Did they BUY a mountain of flowers in the first few seconds of play?
Bah. I'm not even going to try with these things anymore. Just start them and forget it. I get what I get in the end. What ever happened to the THOUGHT that we get paired with like farms?
yuck
Well this has to be a bug. Two people show such high numbers. One has 675,083 flowers right now with 20 min yet to go. And it is still showing me in the lead. (I have 1254 now.)
Gotta be a glitch.
Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
Nafaru told us that after doing 2-3 missions this problem will be solved. And I can confirm that, in my third mission yesterday everything was back to normal again.
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Aside from that I have only the one word of advice to help you through this game. Patience. If it so applies and I may be bold to add another, it would be decaf.
There is no logic to this. Missions could be a lot more fun if they only designed it better.
Oh well. I just think of them as something to do while I do my morning harvesting. Nothing more.
I must say though, the ship thing they just added is pretty sweet. I might actually earn enough to buy land, or upgrade the house or something big before the end of the next century. lol.
It is a bug.
The numbers for your opponents shows their reputation points, not how much they have harvested in that mission.
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I checked out the other farms, and I'll mean everyone of the players in that mission could have been the winner in that mission.
For my own, I don't haved used spec seed's, and I miss the first harvest, because I was 2½ minute in the mission before I sow the first wildflowers and I don't used humus on any of my harvest in the hole mission.
The other opponents placed lower than me have the fields to win, if they have used a better strategy than they did....one of them have corn ready to harvest at least 10 minutes into the mission.
I respectfully disagree. If someone wants to run their farms with a positive (red) running cost that's their business, their strategy. I don't think it is at all fair to dictate someone's game playing in that manner.
This is exactly what I suggested 4 weeks ago, christina! See thread The "Official" Mission Petition...; see posts 228 - 237 (I do not know how to put link in, sorry)...