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Update - March 31 - The Gourmet Farm Rework - Discussion

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  • itacla (US1)itacla (US1) Posts: 40
    edited 10.04.2014
    The wheel in my water mill does not work anymore, it doesn't turn. Does any one have this problem, is it a bug or something I can fix myself?
  • george3 (AU1)george3 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 411
    edited 10.04.2014
    itacla wrote: »
    The wheel in my water mill does not work anymore, it doesn't turn. Does any one have this problem, is it a bug or something I can fix myself?
    Hi
    I just checked mine, it's not turning either, a couple of our co-op member complained earlier in the week that there's weren't turning either.
    Bug I think.
    George
  • RubyfarmerRubyfarmer Posts: 90
    edited 10.04.2014
    Artmaker wrote: »
    Lastly, why don't you folks (not you Latten, I know your just the messenger.)
    But the GG folks. Why don't they post something right in the game letting players know when the latest swarm of bugs will be fixed? Not everyone sifts through forums.

    Exactly!!!!! very frustrating trawling 60+ pages seeking answers to pass onto my co-op & half the time the info is incorrect or dates changed)
  • CncmomUser2CncmomUser2 Posts: 11
    edited 10.04.2014
    I can't harvest the food from my restaurant now. Its still showing ready. I have tried all the usual things - logging off the game and logging off the computer. Nothing has helped. Got any ideas?
  • nig4x4nig4x4 Posts: 58
    edited 10.04.2014
    Is your restaurant (bakery) inventory already full? you may need to sell goods off to make room, it doesn't prompt you automatically as every other facility does, something I think they will rectify shortly.
  • tampoon (INT1)tampoon (INT1) Posts: 197
    edited 10.04.2014
    nig4x4 wrote: »
    Is your restaurant (bakery) inventory already full? you may need to sell goods off to make room, it doesn't prompt you automatically as every other facility does, something I think they will rectify shortly.

    But we are waiting for higher selling prices after the "DELAYED" update.
  • farmer carrot (GB1)farmer carrot (GB1) GB1 Posts: 58
    edited 10.04.2014
    My watermill wheel is not turning either. Pity as it is about the only thing that I can produce from. Red crosses all over the Gourmet Farm. It is hardly worth looking at the Gourmet Farm now, as hardly anything can be produced, it all takes so long.
  • ArtmakerArtmaker Posts: 415
    edited 10.04.2014
    Man... If this is the worst thing going down in your world, your life must be milk and honey.

    How do you know they didn't test it beforehand? I'm pretty sure they did since they delayed the rollout to address a few problems.

    Because no one bothered to check the math with a one dollar calculator! Players quickly figured out the bakery looses money. But the game programers, who are paid to do this right, could not?
    Graphics issues are somewhat expected. But the math? Come on.

    That's why.

    And no this is not "the worst thing going down in your world" either. It's a game. Just a game. But one I have already invested many countless hours working on, as have a lot of people. Suddenly removing what you thought you were building up (and for many spent real money to do so) is a drag. But this will never be elevated to "the worst thing..." Ever. If I walked away from this whole thing right now it would effect my life not one bit.

    I'd still like to play with things that actually function. And I came here to find out IF... and if not WHEN it would be fixed. First it was "next week." Then Monday. Then Wed. The last post was "Thursday." Well it's been Thursday. Maybe later today? Tomorrow? Next week? We don't know our designers are still in first grade learning basic addition? What do I pass along to my coops?
  • itacla (US1)itacla (US1) Posts: 40
    edited 10.04.2014
    Artmaker wrote: »
    Because no one bothered to check the math with a one dollar calculator! Players quickly figured out the bakery looses money. But the game programers, who are paid to do this right, could not?
    Graphics issues are somewhat expected. But the math? Come on.

    That's why.

    And no this is not "the worst thing going down in your world" either. It's a game. Just a game. But one I have already invested many countless hours working on, as have a lot of people. Suddenly removing what you thought you were building up (and for many spent real money to do so) is a drag. But this will never be elevated to "the worst thing..." Ever. If I walked away from this whole thing right now it would effect my life not one bit.

    I'd still like to play with things that actually function. And I came here to find out IF... and if not WHEN it would be fixed. First it was "next week." Then Monday. Then Wed. The last post was "Thursday." Well it's been Thursday. Maybe later today? Tomorrow? Next week? We don't know our designers are still in first grade learning basic addition? What do I pass along to my coops?
    EXACTLY!! That is exactly what is going on on my mind right now and I can see that each of us is trying to adjust to the new farm, building everything and trying to get the best out of it, after all if we wanted to play we had no choice, SO PLEASE CONSIDER US as good customers and treat us with respect. Yes it is just a game but because it is a game and supposedly a way to relax and get out of every day stressful time I DON'T want possibly encounter any in here. It has to be simply fun otherwise what kind of a game is it?
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    edited 10.04.2014
    Last I read it's gonna be Monday.

    The bakery math is rather bizarre. At least one of the managers in here has alluded to the fact that ggs actually has a "team" in charge of game balance. Pretty much all they do is evaluate such aspects of the game and assign appropriate values. In my company they would at best be cleaning restrooms this week, former duties reassigned. That's gotta be embarrassing from a corporate standpoint. But yes, it's still a game and if it gets to the point where it elevates my stress level in any way, shape or form I move on to better things.
  • ArtmakerArtmaker Posts: 415
    edited 10.04.2014
    OMG.... thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
    In my company they would at best be cleaning restrooms this week, former duties reassigned.
  • LucyvanPeltLucyvanPelt Posts: 5
    edited 10.04.2014
    Artmaker wrote: »
    Because no one bothered to check the math with a one dollar calculator! Players quickly figured out the bakery looses money. But the game programers, who are paid to do this right, could not?
    Graphics issues are somewhat expected. But the math? Come on.

    That's why.

    And no this is not "the worst thing going down in your world" either. It's a game. Just a game. But one I have already invested many countless hours working on, as have a lot of people. Suddenly removing what you thought you were building up (and for many spent real money to do so) is a drag. But this will never be elevated to "the worst thing..." Ever. If I walked away from this whole thing right now it would effect my life not one bit.

    I'd still like to play with things that actually function. And I came here to find out IF... and if not WHEN it would be fixed. First it was "next week." Then Monday. Then Wed. The last post was "Thursday." Well it's been Thursday. Maybe later today? Tomorrow? Next week? We don't know our designers are still in first grade learning basic addition? What do I pass along to my coops?

    You could walk away from this whole thing right now but you won't. The stress is too endearing. I reckon you won't send GGS your resume either.
  • edited 10.04.2014
    My watermill wheel is not turning either. Pity as it is about the only thing that I can produce from. Red crosses all over the Gourmet Farm. It is hardly worth looking at the Gourmet Farm now, as hardly anything can be produced, it all takes so long.

    The watermill is something that will be fixed with the update. There are many different things that can be produced on the Gourmet Farm now. You just have to rebuild them that is why everyone got money back from their original items removed on the Gourmet Farm and they gave you 1/2 the construction time to build everything back up for a week. Personally I think there is a lot more things you can produce now on the gourmet farm then there was before.

    The Bakery will be fixed after the new update is put through which will make the bakery worth using to.

    I'm not sure what the red crosses mean, maybe someone else can help you with that.
  • edited 10.04.2014
    itacla wrote: »
    The wheel in my water mill does not work anymore, it doesn't turn. Does any one have this problem, is it a bug or something I can fix myself?

    Everyone is having this issue. The update that will happen soon will fix that and we will all be able to enjoy the new Water Mill animated!!
  • neriux777neriux777 Posts: 161
    edited 10.04.2014
    To make 400 fruit cakes in Level 2 bakery worth $248000 we need ingredients worth $235500 after waiting for 8 hrs
    so net profit per hour is $1562! Even a Level 1 cow shed will give us $1150 per hour profit without spending any $ for updates!!!


    So my simple question is: Is it worth playing in our new Gourmet farm.
    [Insults removed | Nafaru]

    At the moment, enjoy your "flower farm" and in "gourment farm" just have few buildings, just for fun, not for money.
  • snork (INT1)snork (INT1) Posts: 518
    edited 10.04.2014
    Everyone is having this issue. The update that will happen soon will fix that and we will all be able to enjoy the new Water Mill animated!!

    *raises hand* I'm not! I disabled animations, and my Water Mill is turning ahahaha *sob* the game in a nutshell?
  • jaystarr2jaystarr2 Posts: 1,657
    edited 10.04.2014
    snork2 wrote: »
    *raises hand* I'm not! I disabled animations, and my Water Mill is turning ahahaha *sob* the game in a nutshell?

    Haha yeah, I had something similar with my donkeys. They're animated when my animations are turned off! Maybe the on/off switch is borked?
  • ArtmakerArtmaker Posts: 415
    edited 10.04.2014
    I reckon you won't send GGS your resume either.

    NO, I'd be overqualified. I can add.
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    edited 11.04.2014
    Artmaker wrote: »
    NO, I'd be overqualified. I can add.

    But can you create undead donkeys? Now that's REAL talent.
  • thaddeus5thaddeus5 Posts: 13
    edited 11.04.2014
    Just upgraded my bakery, 18million, and nothing is any different, warning its a waste of cash.
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 11.04.2014
    thaddeus5 wrote: »
    Just upgraded my bakery, 18million, and nothing is any different, warning its a waste of cash.

    Hey thaddeus5,

    please mouse over the small crates in the recipe section of the bakery's info window and compare the values shown there for the current stage with the preceding stages.

    You will notice that you need less goods for each recipe, which is a difference, isn't it. ;)

    It may not be very apparant at first, but there is a change in each level of the bakery. ^^

    Regards,
    Steffi
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 11.04.2014
    new gourmet is love, im earning almost same i used to make now, without even bakery fixed yet. (check my farm to get some idea those who are very confused, it might help :) )
    its just that the money it makes is little by little during the day, that's why some players feel like its not earning anything i think.
    only peach is useless atm, but nafaru said that'll hopefully get fixed later on too, so i think ggs is doing great honestly.
    keep up the good work guys
    i really appreciate all these new updates even if they have some small bugs and downsides (which hopefully will get fixed in time)
  • ninan (US1)ninan (US1) Posts: 19
    edited 11.04.2014
    Nafaru wrote: »
    You will notice that you need less goods for each recipe, which is a difference, isn't it. ;)

    It may not be very apparant at first, but there is a change in each level of the bakery. ^^

    I don't think a 2.5% decrease in goods for each level is very generous. :huh: How about 5%? :D As it stands, a level 5 bakery will use 10% less goods than a level 1. Not worth the upgrade to me.
  • GeorgenollieUseGeorgenollieUse Posts: 1,801
    edited 11.04.2014
    ninan2 wrote: »
    I don't think a 2.5% decrease in goods for each level is very generous. :huh: How about 5%? :D As it stands, a level 5 bakery will use 10% less goods than a level 1. Not worth the upgrade to me.

    I think it will be worth it in the long run if you run the other numbers. Let's take the fruit cake recipe. (These numbers are based off of my co-ops completed research so your numbers may be different).

    Level 1 Recipe
    1600 Milk @ 31 Farm Dollars = 49,600
    600 Peaches @ 100 Farm Dollars = 60,000
    700 Cherries @ 180 Farm Dollars = 126,000
    Profit of Selling all ingredients separately = 235,600

    Level 7 Recipe -
    1360 Milk @ 31 Farm Dollars = 42,160
    510 Peaches @ 100 Farm Dollars = 51,000
    595 Cherries @ 180 Farm Dollars = 107,100
    Profit of Selling all ingredients separately = 200,260

    Profit from batch of fruit cakes (with new bakery amounts coming Monday) -
    400 Fruit Cakes @ 680 Farm Dollars = 272,000
    Profit from Level 1 Bakery = 36,400
    Profit from Level 7 Bakery = 71,740

    Yes, that is only an increase of 35,340 but run the recipe 10 times and you show an increase profit of 353,400. And this is without any research done on the gourmet farm so it is just going to improve as my co-op does more research.

    I realize that I did not add in running cost but regardless of which level I run the running cost is going to be identical so the ratio of profit will stay the same between the two buildings.

    Edit - additional thought: And truthfully the ingredients you did not use in level 7 recipe were sold individually making your profit equal 70,680 for using the Level 7 bakery on one batch of fruit cakes.
  • Marcella59Marcella59 Posts: 59
    edited 11.04.2014
    No matter what they do to tweak the gourmet farm we are not going to make any money off of it as long as we are in a cooperative. So, was that the plan? Get everyone out of a cooperative so there won't be any reason to compete and try to be number one. I realize not everyone cares about ranking, my best teammate doesn't care but she'll bust butt helping, but some people, do want to compete to be the best.
  • GeorgenollieUseGeorgenollieUse Posts: 1,801
    edited 11.04.2014
    Marcella59 wrote: »
    No matter what they do to tweak the gourmet farm we are not going to make any money off of it as long as we are in a cooperative. So, was that the plan? Get everyone out of a cooperative so there won't be any reason to compete and try to be number one. I realize not everyone cares about ranking, my best teammate doesn't care but she'll bust butt helping, but some people, do want to compete to be the best.

    ????????????????

    With the research that a co-op does in the gourmet farm and main farm, your profits go up at the bakery. This argument does not make any sense.
  • Marcella59Marcella59 Posts: 59
    edited 11.04.2014
    Research yield
    fruitcake 15% apple pie 10% muffins 10% turnovers 5% and of course all 0% for no cooperative
    Selling prices
    eggs $20 and $12, apples $56 and $44, milk $35 and $25, cherries $225 and $180, peaches $100 and $100,
    almonds $90 and $50, fruitcake $620 and $620, apple pie $360 and $360, muffins $260 and $260,
    turnovers $220 and $220
    Running costs -90%
    Profit/Loss per production for a Level 6 bakery
    fruitcake $44,950 and $49,200, apple pie $1,260 and $11,180, muffins $9,465 and $9,325,
    turnovers $-2,395 and $7,165
    Don't tell me that argument doesn't make any sense when the only thing that doesn't make more money is the muffins.
  • ninan (US1)ninan (US1) Posts: 19
    edited 11.04.2014
    Edit - additional thought: And truthfully the ingredients you did not use in level 7 recipe were sold individually making your profit equal 70,680 for using the Level 7 bakery on one batch of fruit cakes.

    Thanks for the numbers and your thoughtful analysis! I still think the ingredient reduction is a bit unreasonable. I believe the cost of the level 7 bakery is something like $30M. So we would have to make fruit cake 425 times, or 142 days around the clock to break even. :S I won't be upgrading this baby much.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 12.04.2014
    I think it will be worth it in the long run if you run the other numbers. Let's take the fruit cake recipe. (These numbers are based off of my co-ops completed research so your numbers may be different).

    Level 1 Recipe
    1600 Milk @ 31 Farm Dollars = 49,600
    600 Peaches @ 100 Farm Dollars = 60,000
    700 Cherries @ 180 Farm Dollars = 126,000
    Profit of Selling all ingredients separately = 235,600

    Level 7 Recipe -
    1360 Milk @ 31 Farm Dollars = 42,160
    510 Peaches @ 100 Farm Dollars = 51,000
    595 Cherries @ 180 Farm Dollars = 107,100
    Profit of Selling all ingredients separately = 200,260

    Profit from batch of fruit cakes (with new bakery amounts coming Monday) -
    400 Fruit Cakes @ 680 Farm Dollars = 272,000
    Profit from Level 1 Bakery = 36,400
    Profit from Level 7 Bakery = 71,740

    Yes, that is only an increase of 35,340 but run the recipe 10 times and you show an increase profit of 353,400. And this is without any research done on the gourmet farm so it is just going to improve as my co-op does more research.

    I realize that I did not add in running cost but regardless of which level I run the running cost is going to be identical so the ratio of profit will stay the same between the two buildings.

    Edit - additional thought: And truthfully the ingredients you did not use in level 7 recipe were sold individually making your profit equal 70,680 for using the Level 7 bakery on one batch of fruit cakes.

    exactly.
    i agree with this post completely, there's just 2 downsides still though.
    1- lvl 5, 6 and 7 bakery just costs way too much (for what it gives)
    2- ingredient researches and recipes researches seem to be decreasing profit if be done together rather than upping the profit. so a change in researches maybe be a good idea later.

    p.s. I do not agree with the ppl who think new gourmet is not earning good money, actually if do the calculations properly considering all profits, direct and indirect (such as more fertilizer (1 more apple orch in mf), more humus (alvera can make better profit than tomatoes now instead, feeding chicks and cows are way easier with super seeds and humus, etc ), easier/more honey cream, easier/more scented oil, and etc ) this new gourmet has the potential to earn more than the old one actually (but it might take more effort and investment too ofc, not very crazy though, if you know what to up and when to up it)
  • Farmhand Dom (US1)Farmhand Dom (US1) Posts: 23
    edited 12.04.2014
    the old gourmet farm was overall self-sufficient. not totally but the amount of stuff you needed from your main farm was so small that you barely noticed it. which means that you made money from your gourmet farm and from your main farm. with this bakery, only high level people are making money from both farms and only high level players can actually keep the bakery going all the time. think back to when you were level 25. how many of you made enough apples or milk or anything to constantly have the bakery going. everyone was able to keep the restaurant going at all times. the only people the restaurant wasn t all that good for my have been higher levels.
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