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Update - April 14th - Mission rework - Discussion

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  • pixie2me2pixie2me2 Posts: 83
    edited 08.04.2014
    Well it seems a number of points were listened to by GGS from long-term mission players perspective with regard to assisting lower level players and not punishing anyone for entering a mission by loosing rp points, which I would say is a good thing. The burning question for me though is what happened to a cooperative mission and/or project that many, many coops loved to do - will that be coming back?
  • snork (INT1)snork (INT1) Posts: 518
    edited 08.04.2014
    But reputation points were completely worthless! I'd happily get FDs and loose all my RPs.



    Re. the co-op missions, I happen to have read 88+ pages discussion on that and it seems that there had been only complaints about those (before they were taken away, ie. before my time)
  • enochnock (US1)enochnock (US1) Posts: 878
    edited 08.04.2014
    Cat Adams wrote: »
    The missions you offer and NOT ones I do. I like my choices and had been doing missions.
    The missions offered are ones that most people used special seeds for.
    Water is hard to come by for special seeds.
    Obviously you are trying to FORCE people to purchase water (if they wish to succeed in the mission)
    This is another forced gold purchase stunt.
    I believe that people have a right to participate or not. (Don't pretend that you are NOT punishing people for not joining in by automatically TAKING away reputation points).
    I don't care if I am being civil or not.
    This is a GAME, not a job.
    Maybe GGS should be FORCED to do things they don't like and be punished if they don't comply!

    Cat Adams- I agree with you on this.

    I do like the missions never have but that is my choice, just like it is the choice of those who do like them and want to do them. I have coop members who like them & they like the challenge of the mission or competition of the missions. That's great I'm happy they enjoy them. That part is totally fair this issue with the missions should have been addressed months ago last year. So now I have to do missions just to save what little bit of reputation points that I do have? This is so not fair. Why should I have to participate in an event that I don't like/want to do/? When I would rather spend my time working my farm/running my newborn coop/figuring out how to make money so I can purchase upgrades/additions to my farms or better yet be able to donate money to my newborn coop. Wow. Its bad enough you keep rolling out these upgrades/new pastry farm/more bugs & issues on top of the bugs and issues from the weeks before. Then we have to wait 2 weeks for: "Bugfixes

    Missing water mill animations were added to the game
    Goat animations should work again and ducks will be shown, even if animations are turned off
    Missing water and breeding seeds can now be purchased again in the nursery.
    Bakery recipes will now give experience points as well
    Some gourmet farm tasks were displayed in the wrong level. They have been adjusted."

    This is just all over the place, start with one thing/item complete it then move on to the next. Before you throw that NEW Improved Mission out there, doesn't it make more sense to fix the issues of the pastry farm first? We all would like to have those issues/bugs fixed an sorted out before adding something else. I get that there needs to be weekly server maintenance/upgrades/tweaks/bug fixes, that is a given we all get that. But shouldn't those issues from the last weeks past be addressed and resolved before throwing more things out there. We all would like to really really start using our pastry maker & would really really like to make some profits from it (speaking from a very low level coop). We would also like to see additional recipes, we went from 10 recipes to 4 none of which are that amazing its just pies and a muffin. What are the customers who are supposed to be seated out front of this pastry shop suppose to drink? Duck water? Oh they took the seating area.

    It would be great if the ducks & donkeys got a reduction in feed as well as the time to make and grow feed. 7 hours to grow some lettuce really, that's as long as it takes the cows to decide its time for them to be harvested/milked (which by the way is a very long time, its a wonder the cows don't explode). The whole feed/growing feed/milling feed and feeding the ducks/donkey is really off and a bit high. Why can't the donkey eat wheat the cows eat? Talk about picky.

    I am trying to get used to this pastry shop cause its not a gourmet farm in the least. But, I am still not sure if/how I will make any profits from it let alone be able to do any upgrades. Instead of giving us an upgrade we got a downgrade because we totally lost our restaurant for what is now considered a bakery/restaurant/dairy all in one. Which I still haven't seen a milkshake, the magic crust that makes the pies, the magic sugar which goes into the pies/muffins/cupcakes, the dairy which makes the frosting/icing/filling for the pies/muffins/cakes.

    By the way since those little people that walk around on my farm crying about the need for more decos to make them happy... tell them to stay out of the mega watt deco tower dreaming about things I can't afford to buy, stay on the fields and look at the things that I have given them to look & be happy about that, and if they are so unhappy tell them to eat some of those tasteless recipes in the pastry shop.... I bet they change their attitudes then.

    Oh and another thing, please consider the players when you decide to do the scheduled weekly maintenance/server updates....please please do them when there isn't any events going on. It would go off so much easier, give it a try for a few weeks and see how it goes. Isn't that what we were asked to do with the demolition of the gourmet farm to pastry/bakery... try it for a while and see how it goes. So that's what we have been doing trying it.
  • TonyPlayer2 (AU1)TonyPlayer2 (AU1) Posts: 48
    edited 08.04.2014
    Touche Latten
    I think the upgrade is awsome and that you guys (and gals ) should be congradulated 100%. I stopped doing missions a while ago due to the mismatching, BUT NOW!! Watch this space for the flying Kiwi lol. Again well done team. Also gormet farm is going well and was worth the update another tick for GGS
    Good and Prosperus Farming everybody

    Hi EnochNoch
    Here in New Zealand a lot of our cows are milked on a 9 to 12 hour Roster and some are only once a day so 7hrs doesn't seem unreasonable
    Cheers


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 08.04.2014
    Special seeds are now useless because the missions last for only 30 minutes. Special corn takes an hour and wildflower 30 minutes but its very likely even with wildflower that you will have to gold skip to make the harvest count within the small timeframe. Gold skipping is now a must if using special seeds unless you have psychic abilities and planted the correct seed before the mission started.

    As for reputation points they served no purpose to begin with anyway so offering them up as a reward isn't an incentive at all, a bit pointless really.
  • enochnock (US1)enochnock (US1) Posts: 878
    edited 08.04.2014
    Hi EnochNoch
    Here in New Zealand a lot of our cows are milked on a 9 to 12 hour Roster and some are only once a day so 7hrs doesn't seem unreasonable
    Cheers

    Hi Tony- oh gosh they may get the idea to change the cows now lol. It will be like those 14 hour peaches. I get it sorry, I was meaning that it takes 7 hours for the cows to be milked and it takes a long time to make feed for the donkeys, while the ducks lay eggs in 8 hours. Which making feed for them takes a bit longer to, but you do grow more feed for the ducks versus the donkeys. Until I can see a profit or figure out how to make a profit, I'm stuck at 1 donkey level 1, 1 duck level and 2 goats level 2, 4 fields 2 level 2 & 2 level 3 fields which isn't much. But I guess better than nothing huh. It's gonna take millions to upgrade and add to the pastry farm, but I'm going to try and see next week which now gives me more time to try and stock the pastry shop up. Besides I haven't upgraded the pastry shop, that's another gazillion lol.
  • Emm62Emm62 Posts: 101
    edited 08.04.2014
    woohoo cant wait for this update to the missions.

    The way I see it working is that all the gold users are going to go hell for leather and eventually be paired up against each other at the top of the leader board all using/wasting gold to be top dog.

    For me I did missions purely to have some small challenge to do during the course of my normal farming. I never once had a mission where I was paired with a player near the same level or rep points. Then sometimes I felt guilty being paired with lower levels who had no hope of winning (unless they used gold of course). I have on the odd occasion just stopped harvesting so at least a lower level player could actually win a mission. And in reality the difference was only 3 or 4 xp points. I remember what it was like when at a low level trying to win these things.

    I like the idea of just joining a mystery mission and whenever I like. The current ones never seem to fit it with the time here in NZ. I guess with the inability to get special seeds going in advance it goes part way to putting everyone on a more level playing field. Of course humus and special fert can always be used if you have it.

    So, I shall be looking forward to the update and seeing what it brings me in terms of rewards. :)
  • TonyPlayer2 (AU1)TonyPlayer2 (AU1) Posts: 48
    edited 09.04.2014
    Hi Emm6 Well put!! Sometimes they forget they have loyal players here in Gods Own lol. I too have stopped harvesting once or twice in missions to let lower levels have a shot. I have also given up in quite a few as I was matched up with the so called top Dogs and well if they have gold to waste good on them. Can't wait to see and hear the moaning when they all get matched up together and have to fight it out to be " UP THERE "
    Happy Farming Emm6
  • edited 09.04.2014
    Are you still aloud to use gold to complete these missions? If so you can take my reputation points...I don't play with people who cheat. I don't like when you are doing the mission fairly and someone comes in at the end and uses gold and blows you right out of the water just because they want the rep. points. Just not right and until they are not allowed to use gold for these I won't play them. SORRY
  • Emm62Emm62 Posts: 101
    edited 09.04.2014
    I completely understand your frustration BonniePlayer.

    While I have no problem with people wasting their gold for the sake of a few xp points and being King Pin - I do have a problem with how the mission groups are made up. I too have been "blown out of the water" in missions which I should quite legitimately have won based on the amount of production facilities compared to opponents.

    Although GGS is not separating missions into gold users and non gold users, I do think that how they are going to do the rework of the whole thing will quite quickly separate those players anyway.

    So, don't write missions off completely, give them another go after the update and see how you go.
  • ArtmakerArtmaker Posts: 415
    edited 09.04.2014
    From what I can tell, I think I'll be ignoring missions all together. Rep points mean nothing. (I don't even know how many I have.) I will NOT be spending gold on something as stupid as a mission to build rep points that mean nothing.

    I just want to farm, upgrade, expand, build, harvest.... like that. Keep trying to maintain a balance even with happiness slashed, bakery goods... well who knows since it's still buggy and sitting idol. Two of my farms are poor now. Even though before this great gourmet farm upgrade I had more than enough to upgrade anything should the architect EVER show up. I don't now. (By the way.... how long has it been now? We sure get enough money grabbing pop ups.)

    I may try a mission once just to see... but based on the comments here, I'm not impressed.
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 09.04.2014
    The good news - a gallant attempt at levelling the playing field with missions, plus giving incentives with a new currency to improve our farm.

    The bad news - making missions only random, limited to 4 different things, and fixing them at 30 minutes.

    The bad news could easily be addressed over the next few weeks however.

    1) Give players a choice of whether to have a random mission or a specific one. If you choose random, the rewards are higher.

    2) More variety of missions. At least bring back the other ones we currently have now. Also implement missions involving the gourmet farm and even the flower farm.

    3) More variations in time of missions besides 30 minutes.

    Perhaps in the mission screen we could select the type of mission and also the length we want. We could choose "random" for one or both of these selections. The more random, the higher the reward.
  • roadrunnernm (US1)roadrunnernm (US1) US1 Posts: 287
    edited 09.04.2014
    It all sounds very reasonable to me!! I like that I can just do a mission when I have an extra 30 minutes available as I had to always plan around my days off to find a mission that I could work into my schedule! Better incentive to actually do them!!
  • Farmhand Dom (US1)Farmhand Dom (US1) Posts: 23
    edited 09.04.2014
    did i understand correctly? is the bakery price fix going to wait for an extra 5 days?
  • george3 (AU1)george3 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 411
    edited 09.04.2014
    I haven't done a mission since they were removed from projects, I always found them to very unfair, as a level 80+ player competing against level 30 & 40 gave me no pleasure. The rewards never seemed to be worth the effort.
    The best thing was the interaction with other co-op's & a "negotiated settlement", where one of the lower ranked co-op members won & everyone else came equal 2nd.
    I haven't even looked at 1 since the release of the blue barns.
    George
  • Emm62Emm62 Posts: 101
    edited 09.04.2014
    george38 wrote: »
    I haven't done a mission since they were removed from projects, I always found them to very unfair, as a level 80+ player competing against level 30 & 40 gave me no pleasure. The rewards never seemed to be worth the effort.
    The best thing was the interaction with other co-op's & a "negotiated settlement", where one of the lower ranked co-op members won & everyone else came equal 2nd.
    I haven't even looked at 1 since the release of the blue barns.
    George

    Wow, I haven't done one yet with a "negotiated settlement" with any of the other co-ops. You must be special George :)
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 09.04.2014
    The good news - a gallant attempt at levelling the playing field with missions, plus giving incentives with a new currency to improve our farm.

    The bad news - making missions only random, limited to 4 different things, and fixing them at 30 minutes.

    The bad news could easily be addressed over the next few weeks however.

    1) Give players a choice of whether to have a random mission or a specific one. If you choose random, the rewards are higher.

    2) More variety of missions. At least bring back the other ones we currently have now. Also implement missions involving the gourmet farm and even the flower farm.

    3) More variations in time of missions besides 30 minutes.

    Perhaps in the mission screen we could select the type of mission and also the length we want. We could choose "random" for one or both of these selections. The more random, the higher the reward.

    Good luck on this. Might take a looooong while should they decide to listen to your suggestions. As it is, it's taking them two weeks or so just to fix the Bakery prices.
  • PINJO1986 (NL1)PINJO1986 (NL1) NL1 Posts: 1,852
    edited 09.04.2014
    Like some people already said before: the gold buyers will compete against each other but we will see that after a couple of weeks. The game does need gold buyers and at first sight i think this is a good way for GGS to let them compete against each other and the not gold buying people will try to get the best possible reward by playing normal.

    If you don't want to play these missions, don't play them, it is still your choice if you want to play or not.

    We will just have to sit and wait if this is an update with a future.
  • vidya balan3vidya balan3 Posts: 46
    edited 09.04.2014
    Sorry if this has been asked before but if someone (Latten, Nafaru, or Kat or any1 who knows) please could confirm, Will we lose the stuff we have stored in bakery storage after the update? and the dishes we make before bakery update will be in barn storage or they will be sold with the update on current prices?
  • snork (INT1)snork (INT1) Posts: 518
    edited 09.04.2014
    Sorry if this has been asked before but if someone (Latten, Nafaru, or Kat or any1 who knows) please could confirm, Will we lose the stuff we have stored in bakery storage after the update? and the dishes we make before bakery update will be in barn storage or they will be sold with the update on current prices?

    If you scroll through you should be able to find where Latten (IIRC) said that nothing should be lost, neither in barn nor baked goods (but scroll through the gf/bakery thread for his big picture signature).
  • vidya balan3vidya balan3 Posts: 46
    edited 09.04.2014
    snork2 wrote: »
    If you scroll through you should be able to find where Latten (IIRC) said that nothing should be lost, neither in barn nor baked goods (but scroll through the gf/bakery thread for his big picture signature).
    i tried to find Latten's response in that labyrinth of infinite pages(gf re-vamp discussion), will continue my search, but tysm ^^
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 09.04.2014
    You shouldn't lose anything :)
  • vidya balan3vidya balan3 Posts: 46
    edited 09.04.2014
    tysvm Latten ^^
  • DeAnna777 (US1)DeAnna777 (US1) Posts: 148
    edited 09.04.2014
    Are you still aloud to use gold to complete these missions? If so you can take my reputation points...I don't play with people who cheat. I don't like when you are doing the mission fairly and someone comes in at the end and uses gold and blows you right out of the water just because they want the rep. points. Just not right and until they are not allowed to use gold for these I won't play them. SORRY

    But in all fairness using gold is a strategic option for everyone in a mission so how is that cheating? You have the same option to use gold and just because you don't doesn't mean the person who does should be looked upon in a negative way and called a cheater when the game is designed to be played that way.
    Your sitting there calling people cheaters when up to this point lower level farms have had to unfairly compete with larger level farms such as your's!! and gold may have been a way in some situations for lower levels to be able to be more competitive with larger farms (such as your's) when doing missions. But they are cheaters? I think people who complain about others having an advantage because they bought gold which financially supports this game by the way, are the last people non gold buyers are to be calling cheaters..ehem!!!!:whistling:
  • jatoda (US1)jatoda (US1) Posts: 318
    edited 09.04.2014
    No matter how much you change the missions, if you are up against someone who uses gold you will never win. I don't think it is cheating, but you should not be in the same mission as someone who doesn't use or buy gold. Some of us don't have very deep pockets. Then there are some who don't buy gold at all. There should be a button or something, that separates the gold missions. Block gold use and gold use. That seems like it would really make it competitive for the gold users, and more fair for the non gold users.
    8)
    I just finished a 30 minute mission. It was selling milk.
    I have 10 cowsheds level 6, my barn holds 2100, also all the boosters, so I thought give it a try.
    The player, that was in the mission with me, had 2 level 5 cowsheds and 2 level 6 cowsheds, probably had boosters also, since they use gold.
    I collected and sold my milk as soon as the mission started and used no gold. I cleaned out my barn at the end.
    My total milk sold was 6806 I won $3,605. I came in 4th
    The number one persons total milk sold was 68,000 and they won over $38,000.
    Need I say more.

    ;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(
  • gladysmomgladysmom Posts: 28
    edited 09.04.2014
    one quick questan what about the lower level players that have task to do missions and get so many xp points
  • GeorgenollieUseGeorgenollieUse Posts: 1,801
    edited 09.04.2014
    jatoda wrote: »
    No matter how much you change the missions, if you are up against someone who uses gold you will never win. I just finished a 30 minute mission. It was selling milk.
    I have 10 cowsheds level 6, my barn holds 2100, also all the boosters, so I thought give it a try.
    The player, that was in the mission with me, had 2 level 5 cowsheds and 2 level 6 cowsheds, probably had boosters also, since they use gold.
    I collected and sold my milk as soon as the mission started and used no gold. I cleaned out my barn at the end.
    My total milk sold was 6806 I won $3,605. I came in 4th
    The number one persons total milk sold was 68,000 and they won over $38,000.
    Need I say more.

    ;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(

    True - that is the main problem with the current system of missions - with the revamp, in theory the one that sold 68,000 milk will be paired with other people who has done this mission and finished with lets say 60,000 plus milks so all the gold users will be together - you will be paired with people who complete the mission with 6,000 plus milks. They will be creating teams by YOUR personal performance so the gold users can still use gold and non gold users can still play their way but they will not be playing together.
  • edited 09.04.2014
    jatoda wrote: »
    No matter how much you change the missions, if you are up against someone who uses gold you will never win. I don't think it is cheating, but you should not be in the same mission as someone who doesn't use or buy gold. Some of us don't have very deep pockets. Then there are some who don't buy gold at all. There should be a button or something, that separates the gold missions. Block gold use and gold use. That seems like it would really make it competitive for the gold users, and more fair for the non gold users. I just finished a 30 minute mission. It was selling milk.
    I have 10 cowsheds level 6, my barn holds 2100, also all the boosters, so I thought give it a try.
    The player, that was in the mission with me, had 2 level 5 cowsheds and 2 level 6 cowsheds, probably had boosters also, since they use gold.
    I collected and sold my milk as soon as the mission started and used no gold. I cleaned out my barn at the end.
    My total milk sold was 6806 I won $3,605. I came in 4th
    The number one persons total milk sold was 68,000 and they won over $38,000.
    Need I say more.

    ;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(;(

    I would just like to point something out, in a sell mission a person could Buy the item they need to sell, and then sell it. So the person that sold 68,000 Milk could have bought all that milk with Farm Dollars to sell.
    More then likely the used gold, but someone could be crazy enough to spend $17,000,000 on 68,000 Milk.

    ~Space~
  • edited 09.04.2014
    DeAnna777 wrote: »
    But in all fairness using gold is a strategic option for everyone in a mission so how is that cheating? You have the same option to use gold and just because you don't doesn't mean the person who does should be looked upon in a negative way and called a cheater when the game is designed to be played that way.
    Your sitting there calling people cheaters when up to this point lower level farms have had to unfairly compete with larger level farms such as your's!! and gold may have been a way in some situations for lower levels to be able to be more competitive with larger farms (such as your's) when doing missions. But they are cheaters? I think people who complain about others having an advantage because they bought gold which financially supports this game by the way, are the last people non gold buyers are to be calling cheaters..ehem!!!!:whistling:

    Yes I do have a large farm and I do buy gold more than I should. I know it supports the game because in order to play the game the people at GGS need to be paid just like you or me when we go to work. Nobody works for free. I am just pointing out that I think that gold should not be used in missions. It is also not just the lower level farmers who are using gold actually it is the higher level farmers who use it. Are you going to tell me that someone who is playing a mission should be allowed to blow others out of the water. I seen it where they go up to 30,000 or more higher than others...is this really fair to do? I think that when people do this they don't really give others a fair shot at winning a mission. This is why I think it is cheating...if people want to spend their gold that is up to them and more power to them...but why do it when their are players who can't afford to buy gold or chose not to in fairness...by the way there are a lot of players who consider it cheating. Also I do have a right to voice my opinion about the subject so don't assume that people are non gold buyers because they think it is not fair to others to use it during missions.
  • jatoda (US1)jatoda (US1) Posts: 318
    edited 09.04.2014
    :love: That's is a very good idea. No gold use at all. Makes it fair for everyone. :S
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