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Update - March 31 - The Gourmet Farm Rework - Discussion

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  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 03.04.2014
    Karlijn93 wrote: »
    With the composter and the silo on the gourmet farm you only get 1 XP (or so says the information), on the main farm you get 6. So on, I wil only use the buildings on the main farm.

    It depends what players care about most, some (me included) care about efficiency not XP. I often run out of dung even with 13 chicken coops so it makes more sense to me to use the gourmet silo since it requires less dung for production. XP is overrated anyway, the quests at high levels are quite boring.
  • MTPYROMTPYRO Posts: 9
    edited 03.04.2014
    So far...the Gourmet farm helps with poop. Maybe I should rename it.
  • MTPYROMTPYRO Posts: 9
    edited 04.04.2014
    A question. If I demolish my main farm silo will the Gourmet farm silo make the fertilizer with main farm dung?
  • minadequate2minadequate2 Posts: 93
    edited 04.04.2014
    yes but dont demolish it until you're sure you have the capacity and pace, maybe try only usin the gourmet one for a few weeks to be sure its fast enough
  • Bundy (INT1)Bundy (INT1) Posts: 27
    edited 04.04.2014
    Sorry this post is so long but I need to get this off my chest before moving on.

    FOOLS AND IDIOTS, THAT'S ALL WE ARE TO GOODGAME

    What do you do when you have to give some one bad news? Well there is a few ways you can do this;
    1/Break the news slowly so the shock is spread out and the person has time to absorb and readjust
    2/Use the old magician trick of "Slight of hand", HEY LOOK OVER THERE and hope most goes unnoticed
    3/Just come out and say it, be open, honest, upfront and answer ALL questions directly so they can process the information and make an informed decision on how to deal with it and what actions you are going to take to adjust or move on.

    Now lets consider how GG has handled the game updates in the last few weeks.

    1/ They shafted us with the Happiness changes which started a chain reaction by effecting the profitability of our farms forcing us to buy more decorations which then in-turn led to loosing usable productive land area which forced people into sacrificing production buildings to add space for more decorations OR using gold to buy premium decorations JUST TO STAY PROFITABLE.

    2/ They get everyone excited about a new "upgrade" to the gourmet farm by releasing teasers weeks away from implementation by telling us "how much better it will be" and "will offer so many more opportunities" and "make the game more challenging and fun" to move focus away from the happiness fiasco. How many people are honestly happy with the changes living up to the promises? I don't have the numbers but if reading the comments here in the forums are a true representation then the disappointed would be over the 75% mark.

    3/The further away we get from this upgrade the more people are realising that GG has "tweaked" (don't take my word for it, check it out yourself) other areas as well, my last post pointed this out. My observations are telling me that all these changes were thought out thoroughly by the developers as there are way too many things changed for it to be an "accident" or "oversight". Yes XP has suffered a monumental blow. Land prices have increased significantly. Building prices are up. The game is now riddled with glitches. Even if you believe the incredibly ambiguous statements and excuses by GG, that makes them at the very least incompetent. I personally don't think this is the case, I believe they are very competent but they think WE the gamers are easily fooled and gullible. They think that by promising to fix SOME things everything will be all right. How about fixing everything? OR put things back the way they were until the updates are right?

    Whether you agree or disagree with me is not the point I am trying to make. My point is this, DON'T TAKE GG's WORD FOR ANYTHING, THINK FOR YOURSELF because GG are relying on people not questioning, not thinking, not researching anything for themselves. It is easy to ignore a specific question on here (I'm still waiting for an answer to my last post about happiness over removing a house) or even remove a post if they think it will effect their bottom line or make players aware of the inconsistencies. Players have even been banned for sharing their thoughts and the way GG treats players with contempt (yes contempt, because they expect you to forget and follow on).

    I understand that all these new changes don't effect everyone the same, at first we were told it was to penalise all the high level battery farmers in large co-ops with all research already completed but these people were in such a position that they were the least effected. Most effected were the people who were starting to midway through building their farms to capacity. These are/were the people most likely to buy gold as a boost/supplement and put the most hours into the game due to shorter production times and smaller amounts.

    Regardless of if/how the points in this post effect you the message is the same, think for yourself, don't take the answers that really don't answer anything as truth. GG as a company need to make money, that is fact. How they do it and how they treat us is what concerns me.

    Good luck to all and don't hate because I have posted a few observations, not asking you to agree with me just have a better look. The worst it could do is wast 5 minutes of your time.

    I'm done. I don't appreciate being treated like a fool or a mushroom.
  • MTPYROMTPYRO Posts: 9
    edited 04.04.2014
    yes but dont demolish it until you're sure you have the capacity and pace, maybe try only usin the gourmet one for a few weeks to be sure its fast enough

    good point, thanks
  • Yowie2Yowie2 Posts: 4
    edited 04.04.2014
    Bundy4 wrote: »
    Sorry this post is so long but I need to get this off my chest before moving on.

    FOOLS AND IDIOTS, THAT'S ALL WE ARE TO GOODGAME

    What do you do when you have to give some one bad news? Well there is a few ways you can do this;
    1/Break the news slowly so the shock is spread out and the person has time to absorb and readjust
    2/Use the old magician trick of "Slight of hand", HEY LOOK OVER THERE and hope most goes unnoticed
    3/Just come out and say it, be open, honest, upfront and answer ALL questions directly so they can process the information and make an informed decision on how to deal with it and what actions you are going to take to adjust or move on.

    Now lets consider how GG has handled the game updates in the last few weeks.

    1/ They shafted us with the Happiness changes which started a chain reaction by effecting the profitability of our farms forcing us to buy more decorations which then in-turn led to loosing usable productive land area which forced people into sacrificing production buildings to add space for more decorations OR using gold to buy premium decorations JUST TO STAY PROFITABLE.

    2/ They get everyone excited about a new "upgrade" to the gourmet farm by releasing teasers weeks away from implementation by telling us "how much better it will be" and "will offer so many more opportunities" and "make the game more challenging and fun" to move focus away from the happiness fiasco. How many people are honestly happy with the changes living up to the promises? I don't have the numbers but if reading the comments here in the forums are a true representation then the disappointed would be over the 75% mark.

    3/The further away we get from this upgrade the more people are realising that GG has "tweaked" (don't take my word for it, check it out yourself) other areas as well, my last post pointed this out. My observations are telling me that all these changes were thought out thoroughly by the developers as there are way too many things changed for it to be an "accident" or "oversight". Yes XP has suffered a monumental blow. Land prices have increased significantly. Building prices are up. The game is now riddled with glitches. Even if you believe the incredibly ambiguous statements and excuses by GG, that makes them at the very least incompetent. I personally don't think this is the case, I believe they are very competent but they think WE the gamers are easily fooled and gullible. They think that by promising to fix SOME things everything will be all right. How about fixing everything? OR put things back the way they were until the updates are right?

    Whether you agree or disagree with me is not the point I am trying to make. My point is this, DON'T TAKE GG's WORD FOR ANYTHING, THINK FOR YOURSELF because GG are relying on people not questioning, not thinking, not researching anything for themselves. It is easy to ignore a specific question on here (I'm still waiting for an answer to my last post about happiness over removing a house) or even remove a post if they think it will effect their bottom line or make players aware of the inconsistencies. Players have even been banned for sharing their thoughts and the way GG treats players with contempt (yes contempt, because they expect you to forget and follow on).

    I understand that all these new changes don't effect everyone the same, at first we were told it was to penalise all the high level battery farmers in large co-ops with all research already completed but these people were in such a position that they were the least effected. Most effected were the people who were starting to midway through building their farms to capacity. These are/were the people most likely to buy gold as a boost/supplement and put the most hours into the game due to shorter production times and smaller amounts.

    Regardless of if/how the points in this post effect you the message is the same, think for yourself, don't take the answers that really don't answer anything as truth. GG as a company need to make money, that is fact. How they do it and how they treat us is what concerns me.

    Good luck to all and don't hate because I have posted a few observations, not asking you to agree with me just have a better look. The worst it could do is wast 5 minutes of your time.

    I'm done. I don't appreciate being treated like a fool or a mushroom.

    Very well written m8, yes a bit long but some very good points. Thanks for the read.
  • Irish30 (US1)Irish30 (US1) Posts: 264
    edited 04.04.2014
    I have played over a year and have seen many changes and have liked some and not others...and have loved playing the game..but agree with Bunty 4 completely...it's sad but each point made I agree with 100 %...it makes me very sad and as I posted earlier I'm ashamed I didn't listen to my loved ones sooner. Be safe and hug the ones you love because they probably know a lot more than you do
  • agueda3agueda3 Posts: 583
    edited 04.04.2014
    I agree with the points you made Bundy, couldn't have said better myself !
    I used to look forward to see the updates to the game now just dread to see what else going to get messed up.
    And before someones says it's just a game , games are suppose to be FUN since life is hard enough and we play to enjoy it not to get disappointed with each new update !
  • Lanette (GB1)Lanette (GB1) Posts: 17
    edited 04.04.2014
    Bundy4 wrote: »
    Sorry this post is so long but I need to get this off my chest before moving on.

    FOOLS AND IDIOTS, THAT'S ALL WE ARE TO GOODGAME

    What do you do when you have to give some one bad news? Well there is a few ways you can do this;
    1/Break the news slowly so the shock is spread out and the person has time to absorb and readjust
    2/Use the old magician trick of "Slight of hand", HEY LOOK OVER THERE and hope most goes unnoticed
    3/Just come out and say it, be open, honest, upfront and answer ALL questions directly so they can process the information and make an informed decision on how to deal with it and what actions you are going to take to adjust or move on.

    Now lets consider how GG has handled the game updates in the last few weeks.

    1/ They shafted us with the Happiness changes which started a chain reaction by effecting the profitability of our farms forcing us to buy more decorations which then in-turn led to loosing usable productive land area which forced people into sacrificing production buildings to add space for more decorations OR using gold to buy premium decorations JUST TO STAY PROFITABLE.

    2/ They get everyone excited about a new "upgrade" to the gourmet farm by releasing teasers weeks away from implementation by telling us "how much better it will be" and "will offer so many more opportunities" and "make the game more challenging and fun" to move focus away from the happiness fiasco. How many people are honestly happy with the changes living up to the promises? I don't have the numbers but if reading the comments here in the forums are a true representation then the disappointed would be over the 75% mark.

    3/The further away we get from this upgrade the more people are realising that GG has "tweaked" (don't take my word for it, check it out yourself) other areas as well, my last post pointed this out. My observations are telling me that all these changes were thought out thoroughly by the developers as there are way too many things changed for it to be an "accident" or "oversight". Yes XP has suffered a monumental blow. Land prices have increased significantly. Building prices are up. The game is now riddled with glitches. Even if you believe the incredibly ambiguous statements and excuses by GG, that makes them at the very least incompetent. I personally don't think this is the case, I believe they are very competent but they think WE the gamers are easily fooled and gullible. They think that by promising to fix SOME things everything will be all right. How about fixing everything? OR put things back the way they were until the updates are right?

    Whether you agree or disagree with me is not the point I am trying to make. My point is this, DON'T TAKE GG's WORD FOR ANYTHING, THINK FOR YOURSELF because GG are relying on people not questioning, not thinking, not researching anything for themselves. It is easy to ignore a specific question on here (I'm still waiting for an answer to my last post about happiness over removing a house) or even remove a post if they think it will effect their bottom line or make players aware of the inconsistencies. Players have even been banned for sharing their thoughts and the way GG treats players with contempt (yes contempt, because they expect you to forget and follow on).

    I understand that all these new changes don't effect everyone the same, at first we were told it was to penalise all the high level battery farmers in large co-ops with all research already completed but these people were in such a position that they were the least effected. Most effected were the people who were starting to midway through building their farms to capacity. These are/were the people most likely to buy gold as a boost/supplement and put the most hours into the game due to shorter production times and smaller amounts.

    Regardless of if/how the points in this post effect you the message is the same, think for yourself, don't take the answers that really don't answer anything as truth. GG as a company need to make money, that is fact. How they do it and how they treat us is what concerns me.

    Good luck to all and don't hate because I have posted a few observations, not asking you to agree with me just have a better look. The worst it could do is wast 5 minutes of your time.

    I'm done. I don't appreciate being treated like a fool or a mushroom.


    Well said... :)
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 04.04.2014
    WTG. I agree with you Bundy and it must have taken you alot to say what you did. Thank you for that. Everything that GGS has done, all that they are doing is very discouraging. It has been one thing after the other lately. When is enough, enough? I was very excited about this gourmet update but it seems like another ploy to take something great away from us. Its just not right. You made a lot of great points in your posts and I stand by everything you said.
  • jules314 (US1)jules314 (US1) US1 Posts: 399
    edited 04.04.2014
    tracey40 wrote: »
    I'd like to complain the the strongest possible terms about the recipes in the all-new bakery. Quite aside from it being digitally dysfunctional there is no way that cherries, peaches and milk make a fruitcake. A weird milkshake, possibly, but there would be no moist crumb in that little baby.

    Ditto apple turnovers made from eggs and apples - it's an apple omelette at best, and I wouldn't like to see that at teatime.

    I suggest that the developers consult a good cookery book or watch the next season of the Bakeoff to pick up some handy hints on how to bake a cake.

    Tracey40, I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the ingredient lists for these recipes. They are totally bizarre and something that could only have come up during a hard "night out on the town". The fact that there is not a trace of sugar on our GF makes these sweet recipes weird. I'm not sure how you guys make your apple pies and turnovers, but my crusts nor do the fillings have eggs as a main ingredient. BUTTER yes... not eggs.

    Big Farm, you could've made maple tree orchards with maple sap, then put a sugar house on the GF to make the syrup. Seriously, that wouldn't of affected the gardens at all and provide a source of sweetener for your "delicious" recipes. I shudder thinking of what the egg and apple turnovers taste like.

    It must be the Canadian speaking out here, but what gives eh? Sorry, but all these dessert recipes make zero sense especially without an ingredient to make them sweet.
  • FarmerBlack (US1)FarmerBlack (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 04.04.2014
    a_treasure wrote: »
    Serious.. how is that a fix ???

    well take the apple turnover...
    750 eggs..my level if i sell its 16 dollars each. 12 000
    600 apples,,my level sell is 52 dollars each. 31 200..thats a total of 43 200 plus it cost 11 143 to make the turnovers...
    so it just cost me 52 364
    if i sell the turnovers 200 at 175 dollars.. i get 35 000... soooooo I am in the hole by 17 364
    plus if its duck eggs...even more cause they cost more and take for everrrrrrrrrrrrrrr to make

    how is that making profit ???

    ...........................

    but on gourmet you LOOSE SELLING ANYTHING... you get less money then what it cost to grow or make it

    First off, I am not saying I like all the changes made to the game recently, or like the amount of profitability now coming, or soon to come, from my Gourmet farm, but just some observations referencing this post by a_treasure and some other thoughts.

    Based on the numbers above for the Turnovers, you are not in the hole, you are still making profit from the recipe, but it's about half that of selling the raw ingredients.

    Try adding more and better decorations to your Gourmet farm; we are on the same server, and I can see you don't have many right now, so that is throwing your running costs way into the positive side. Current true run cost of Turnovers is only $3,750... not the $11,143 you claim you are paying. Apparently you have about +297% run costs... not good unless you are planning on running a "factory farm", and at your level of expansion it won't work. You only have 12 plots of land open in your Gourmet farm, that's barely enough to hold the new buildings and houses for the workers.

    I was able to buy the rest of my Gourmet expansions before the update and fill it with decorations from my storage; yes I was lucky but also planned ahead. My happiness (with the new happiness update) puts me at -95% run costs. It costs me about $250 to make each Turnover, the current sales price is $220, so I do lose ~$30 on each over raw sales. With the upcoming changes the sales price will be $280 each, so I will be making ~$30 more than raw sales, which calculates to $5,250 per batch over raw ingredients. That will get even better with more co-op research on the recipes. You and I both appear to be including raw sales price increases from the main farm co-op researches, so those are ballooned already, not true prices, which also affects profit differences.

    Note: It's hard to compare different farmers' numbers with so many factors involved, like XP, co-op and research levels, number of expansions, amount/size of decorations. I'm just saying that a profit can be made, and a profit MORE than the raw materials can also be made. This example is the smallest item, so should probably profit the least of all the recipes, but I haven't gone too deep into checking all the calculations since adjustments are still being made; and I am trying to use the reduced build/upgrade time for as many facility levels as I can.

    Maybe (for now) we should be thinking of the new Bakery as an extra storage facility. We now have the Barn storage, the Bakery Ingredient storage and the Bakery Product storage. The ingredients get stored within the products created in the Bakery while sitting on the imaginary shelves waiting to be sold. GG said these products will be integrated into projects and events in the future, so they weren't just made to be sold, but also to be used as any other ingredient or product on the farms. Just a tip for those that refuse to build/use the new Bakery, that could be a problem; you won't be able to participate in those events/projects in the future that use the Bakery products unless there is a gold skip for it, because you cannot purchase the finished products in Farm Management.

    It may not seem to be as profitable as the old Gourmet farm and Restaurant, but then again GG did want to slow down the race to the finish line, and an easy way for them to do that is limit the cash made on each harvest.
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 04.04.2014
    Very well said Bundy. I agree with you 100%.
  • HartorHartor Posts: 15
    edited 04.04.2014
    So even after the updated prices, we will make about 10K an hour! That is with the bakery maxed out. so counting what it cost just to build the bakery and level it up. WE are talking 118 days just to break even on money spent versus the money we get back from it. I guess 10k is better than a loss but WOW really.

    Edit: after crunching some more numbers, I was off that is 10k profit every half hour. over selling the goods. But that is a maxed out bakery. At lower levels it is only about 5500 every half hour.

    What is very interesting is that the difference from level 1 to bakery maxed out is ONLY about 8K an hour more at MAX production. Really after spending 30+ million to upgrade bakery you get an extra 8k an hour. and that is for the apple turnover every half hour, which you would not realistically be able to do 24/7 so assuming you do that a few hours a day and run fruit cake the rest of the time. That would be roughly 312 days JUST to break even with the cost of upgrading the bakery.

    Nope not for me! Still selling it or at least NEVER upgrading it for sure. Unless they up the production rate per level. That would be the ONLY way to get the numbers to work out right. Give me a reason to want to upgrade it and 4K an hour is certainly NOT it.

    Where are these so called HEFTY gains we were promised.

    Amen to that!
  • neriux777neriux777 Posts: 161
    edited 04.04.2014
    I GOT IT - GG Doing this game for kids to play. When kid was born, you can start to play, when he was 2-3 years old he can play it. And When he will be 18 he will build everything and he will go to real life. :)
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 04.04.2014
    The updates seem to be following a pattern here. It seems to me that GGS are trying to slow our profits right down by firstly introducing the happiness update and now the gourmet revamp. When a player reaches about 400 million dollars + i'd assume the game would start to get quite boring with no real motivation to do or buy anything since the farms would be fully upgraded by then. I've seen the result of this in "sell missions" where rich high level players spend obscene amounts of dollars buying then reselling stock to win a measly amount of rep points and dollars. They are willing to entertain themselves by playing missions like this regardless of cost just to get bragging rights over other players since there's not much else to do with that wealth. Maybe GGS are doing this to make it a lot harder for players to reach that stage, either way I see this as a new challenge. I miss the old gourmet farm but i'm sure i'll come up with the right strategy to make decent profits from what GGS has given us even if it means not using the bakery and simply selling off almonds from my orchards.
  • neriux777neriux777 Posts: 161
    edited 04.04.2014
    New chalange, for old players. And what are new ones will do? I playing more than year and with old economy it would take more than half year more to upgrade everything to maksimum. I opened may first land last spot in one month to making money in "Gourment Farm". How long now would take to have 30 milions? I using gold to support game managers not to "invest" in it. I newer wanted to be in "first 100". Game it's just game, and sorry if I would started to play now, I quit after month or two. And sorry it's like my idea, we got exelent new teritory with "golden" economy in it.

    And real money in game for me just after year gameplay.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 04.04.2014
    since everyone seems to be just focused about bakery, i need remind a few more things here to be fixed if possible:

    1- peach research, peach price (its as useless as bakery atm, and even after change in bakery its still useless and Fruit cake is not profit either, its opportunity loss in profit due to peach price)
    more explanation of what opportunity loss in profit means here:
    comparing having 1 more almond orchard or 1 peach, say you need run peach 2 times for enough peach for fruit cake, it takes 28 hours and 60 fertilizer, with that amount of fertilizer, you can fertilize 1 more almond, 6 times in 24 hours. and while peach will sell for 100$, almond sells at 90$ at max research. so yes you'll lose alot of money in not making almond instead of peach. so Fruit cake is useless.


    2- ducks not show in animation off mode
    3- goats dont have animation
    4- current 2 silo works good, but 2 composter, no! mf composter at architect lvl is enough.
  • evadenzinevadenzin Posts: 15
    edited 04.04.2014
    No, they did not. I think they knew exactly what they are doing.

    Anyone not notice at all that all the recent "upgrades" have all been geared towards: (1) making the game very difficult (not challenging), (2) making $ hard to come by and (3) encouraging gold buying/spending?

    Anyone remember how fun it was last year to rake in those achievement points? The rewards were commensurate to the efforts and time invested. Now THAT was challenging. Although the rewards were and still are basically the same gold-based decos, $500k-$1M etc ... but now you need to be around player level 70 or more to get to that 2187 AP for a $500K reward, and double that AP for the $1M.

    The next change/update/upgrade was gold-based everything (new gold decos, library/boosters, fertile land etc ...). Then the happiness downgrade where $ profits from all 3 farms took a hit. Now the gourmet revamp and adjusted lower XPs... There is a consistent pattern here with their "update/upgrades".

    well, well, well........
    devs are not making it "Challenging", not from any angle, at all
    rather it's becoming more "slow-paced", looks like i'll have to play for years to level up....

    * on main farm: the gate upgrade to level 3 needs 460000$, first it'd have given me some 350xp and now only 75xp, and with such small amounts of xps WHEN WILL I LEVEL UP???
    + i also have to spend on the gourmet and flower farms

    the players ahead me (i.e. on higher levels) used the "less money money, more xp" scheme and now for players like me, devs are making it what u call "Challenging" and what i call a life-long task....
    you must read the original post by FarmerALF
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 04.04.2014
    i thought they where supposed to tell us of all changes they never told us about the lower xp on main farm or the prices of land going up on main farm in fact i think there as been a lot of small things that have changed without us being told with what i read hoping that we don't notice.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 04.04.2014
    Bundy4 wrote: »
    Sorry this post is so long but I need to get this off my chest before moving on.

    FOOLS AND IDIOTS, THAT'S ALL WE ARE TO GOODGAME

    What do you do when you have to give some one bad news? Well there is a few ways you can do this;
    1/Break the news slowly so the shock is spread out and the person has time to absorb and readjust
    2/Use the old magician trick of "Slight of hand", HEY LOOK OVER THERE and hope most goes unnoticed
    3/Just come out and say it, be open, honest, upfront and answer ALL questions directly so they can process the information and make an informed decision on how to deal with it and what actions you are going to take to adjust or move on.

    Now lets consider how GG has handled the game updates in the last few weeks.

    1/ They shafted us with the Happiness changes which started a chain reaction by effecting the profitability of our farms forcing us to buy more decorations which then in-turn led to loosing usable productive land area which forced people into sacrificing production buildings to add space for more decorations OR using gold to buy premium decorations JUST TO STAY PROFITABLE.

    2/ They get everyone excited about a new "upgrade" to the gourmet farm by releasing teasers weeks away from implementation by telling us "how much better it will be" and "will offer so many more opportunities" and "make the game more challenging and fun" to move focus away from the happiness fiasco. How many people are honestly happy with the changes living up to the promises? I don't have the numbers but if reading the comments here in the forums are a true representation then the disappointed would be over the 75% mark.

    3/The further away we get from this upgrade the more people are realising that GG has "tweaked" (don't take my word for it, check it out yourself) other areas as well, my last post pointed this out. My observations are telling me that all these changes were thought out thoroughly by the developers as there are way too many things changed for it to be an "accident" or "oversight". Yes XP has suffered a monumental blow. Land prices have increased significantly. Building prices are up. The game is now riddled with glitches. Even if you believe the incredibly ambiguous statements and excuses by GG, that makes them at the very least incompetent. I personally don't think this is the case, I believe they are very competent but they think WE the gamers are easily fooled and gullible. They think that by promising to fix SOME things everything will be all right. How about fixing everything? OR put things back the way they were until the updates are right?

    Whether you agree or disagree with me is not the point I am trying to make. My point is this, DON'T TAKE GG's WORD FOR ANYTHING, THINK FOR YOURSELF because GG are relying on people not questioning, not thinking, not researching anything for themselves. It is easy to ignore a specific question on here (I'm still waiting for an answer to my last post about happiness over removing a house) or even remove a post if they think it will effect their bottom line or make players aware of the inconsistencies. Players have even been banned for sharing their thoughts and the way GG treats players with contempt (yes contempt, because they expect you to forget and follow on).

    I understand that all these new changes don't effect everyone the same, at first we were told it was to penalise all the high level battery farmers in large co-ops with all research already completed but these people were in such a position that they were the least effected. Most effected were the people who were starting to midway through building their farms to capacity. These are/were the people most likely to buy gold as a boost/supplement and put the most hours into the game due to shorter production times and smaller amounts.

    Regardless of if/how the points in this post effect you the message is the same, think for yourself, don't take the answers that really don't answer anything as truth. GG as a company need to make money, that is fact. How they do it and how they treat us is what concerns me.

    Good luck to all and don't hate because I have posted a few observations, not asking you to agree with me just have a better look. The worst it could do is wast 5 minutes of your time.

    I'm done. I don't appreciate being treated like a fool or a mushroom.

    well said.
  • evadenzinevadenzin Posts: 15
    edited 04.04.2014
    Listen up GGS:
    Why do we have to tell you everything? Why don't you use your brain before making "UPDATES"???

    now see this:
    Peaches cost 30 fert and sell for 100$ per unit (no research available), cherries cost the same 30 fert but sell for 225$ per unit (researched), clearly peaches are a waste of fert in comparison to cherries.

    From the very beginning, the Gourmet and the Flower farms have been giving more $ than the main farm, and now with the GOURMET REVAMP you've ruined everything....

    you've added new buildings and items - AWESOME, i like that, BUT
    you've not priced 'em "fairly". really, the new gourmet earnings are poor
    (and i've already spoken about the new ruined xp scheme)

    Come on GGS! you have a team of hundreds of employees, please do use their brains!
  • neriux777neriux777 Posts: 161
    edited 04.04.2014
    Ou pleas stop IT, you taking it to sereausly, it's just game to them. First it's before "Mariage" and now after "Mariage", no money but lots of fun.

    Stop stressing, have fun or go away, it's woun't be same again :)
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 04.04.2014
    i think the ones who are most annoyed about all of this are the ones that have bought gold the paid to play members as some of these updates have wasted there gold and work they have put into doing there farms.
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 04.04.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    still no news on any change on peach price or peach research

    Hey Griffith,

    as far as I know, some new researches for the gourmet farm are already planned. I'm not sure if we have a peach research in store as well, but I guess there will be something that makes them more valuable.
    ;)

    Regards,
    Steffi
  • Farmhand Dom (US1)Farmhand Dom (US1) Posts: 23
    edited 04.04.2014
    well this whole gourmet farm change was a mistake. i ll start with the bakery cause that s the biggest problem people have had with this so far (at least from the posts i ve read). a lot of people have run numbers and most have come up with the fact that you lose money by making stuff with the bakery. at some levels with a certain amount of happiness you do make money but very little. so even if we are making money it s still not ok. far from that. with the way better happiness score i now have because of the new gourmet farm (lots of empty space got filled up with decorations) and a level 4 bakery, even with the changes they are planning to make for the next update, the best i can hope for is either the 8 hour fruitcake and make a total of about 52 000$, two 3 hour apple pies for a total of about 68 000$, four 1 hour 40 minute (6h40m) almond muffins for a total of about 35 000$ or fourteen 26 minutes (6h04m) apple turnovers for a total of about 179 000$. now obviously i can only make these if i can produce enough items to make these recipes continuously which i know that i cannot (i m wondering at what level you could start doing that). i can t even keep producing a variety of recipes without having to stop due to a lack of ingredients. i m a level 70 and for about ten levels before the "revamp" i had a level 7 restaurant. at that level i could make Marzipan Icecream which in 6 hours would make me 405 000$. i don t remember how much was the costs of production and ingredients and production of ingredients to tell you exactly how much money i would end up making from the Marzipan Icecream but there is no way it was anywhere near as low as the 179 000$ from 14 Apple Turnovers. obviously i was not continuously making the icecream but i was always producing something. and what i was making was always way better than i could make with this new Bakery. and lets not forget that all the stuff that i was not using in recipes before i would collect more would be sold right away. Milk is one of those things. i made about 985 milk per collection with my three Cowsheds. by the time i would collect again i would have used maybe 200 units which means i sold the rest due to overstock. so not only did i make more money directly from the recipes i also managed to sell a good amount of what i produced on my main farm. if i m not making much money on my gourmet farm like i used to and now i m also making much less money on my main farm because i m using everything or at least most of what i make there then where will i get the money to keep playing. these new Bakery changes are nowhere near what they should be. if the costs of expanding our farms and the costs of building and upgrading have not been lowered you have just slowed us down a lot.


    now i ve read a lot of posts before writing this and i know that some people have mentioned the fact that they don t want to just rush through a game, leveling at full speed to get to the end to either stop playing or to just "rake in the cash" as many have put it. the thing is i doubt that any of those players have given some thought to the fact that waiting two weeks to make enough money to be able to expand comes out to the same. they ll just be, well not raking in the cash because there will be so little of it but going through the same motions for quite a while to make enough money to expand or upgrade something (eventually if your farm is high level enough things cost a whole lot of cash) which comes out to the same as just being a high level with everything done (or waiting for that infernal Architect to show up to upgrade something else to level 7) and "raking in the cash" except that every few weeks they will spend some cash.


    so just to recap in case you missed something or i did not explain myself all that well; we make less money with the bakery because the recipes sell for less and because odds are we ll never be able to have it working all the time. and because we ll be using all our main farm items to produce those recipes we ll make a lot less money on our main farm too.


    here we now are with another thing that i feel is wrong about the new Gourmet Farm; it s a second main farm. except for the bakery all the buildings are in essence the same. there are variations to time and how much is produced but other than the duck coop being awesome to players who don t have time to play for more than a little bit at a time there is absolutely no need for us all to have two main farms. personally i liked having variety. will we all one day end up having a flower farm revamped where we will have an ostrich coop for eggs, coconuts for milk and sheep as donkey/pig replacements so that we can have a third main farm??


    why is this new Gourmet Farm so much harder to build. well not at the moment because we all have a 50% boost to our construction speed, which by the way kind of sucks. everybody got the same amount of time for the boost. i can t exactly complain because by the time the speed boost is over i will have built up my Gourmet Farm way higher than it was. but what about all those players who had so much stuff that there is no way they ll get that much stuff built up by the time limit. it seems wrong that a level 70 can build up close to the same stuff a level 85 or maybe even higher levels than that could. of course not everyone cares about that but some people will and it s one extra thing that can bother people but i digress. i started talking about how much harder it is to build up. i need to be level 74 to upgrade my Bakery to level 5. LEVEL 5!!! holy crap!! the original Gourmet Farm s highest level requirement was 61 for the level 5 Goat Stable. also, why do we now need the most-hated-architect to upgrade our Bakery to level 7 when we did not need him for our Restaurant upgrade to level 7?? why does it take 48 hours to upgrade the Bakery to level 7? although with the little bit of money we can make now it will probably only be at those much higher levels that people will have the money to pay for those upgrades anyways. it s probably why you reduced the experience reward for the task. that way we don t outlevel our money. PFFFT!!!


    now i dont know anything about making video games but i do hope that you guys tried to make a fourth farm. lets say a level 75 repquirement farm with new buildings and new interactions between the different buildings that would add extra content to higher level players and keep them and all the other gamers playing longer. but that in the end you noticed that it messed up the rest of the game and that is why that instead of doing so you just did the next best thing which was to rework something and hope for the best.


    i am a very understanding guy. i know that people can make mistakes and that just what the Bakery was, a mistake. someone calculated things wrong. it happens, no worries. just fix it. although do not take too long because we are all losing money right now. some of us more than others but the amount differences don t really matter since what we are not making is relative to our levels and for most of us, if not all of us, that is a lot of money. also don t just fix it like you ve posted. fix it better. that is seriously not enough money and lower the amount of ingredients way down. wwwaaayyy down. if you keep the game this slow people are going to feel like they are not getting anywhere and they ll stop playing. there is a reason why games that work do expansions and not reworks. expansions add new content which for some people is awesome and for others a little scary because of the unknown. for those that find it awesome, no worries. for those that find it scary, well there s still all the old stuff that may not all be amazing and fun but at least feels secure and not one bit scary. revamping something removes some of the secure stuff for those that may feel overwhelmed by or unsure about how to proceed with new content. that s not good. a lot of people have no idea what to build and why. i ve seen it a bit in my co-op. people only making one or two gardens because they think it s going to work like the old Gourmet Farm. then they wonder how they ll manage to make enough feed.


    i ll stop now since this has already gone way too long (i m part super villain and when you get me monologuing...), i really hope you guys manage to fix this in a way that keeps players around.

    good luck to you Big Farm developers.
  • FarmerPJW2FarmerPJW2 Posts: 45
    edited 04.04.2014
    evadenzin wrote: »
    now see this:
    Peaches cost 30 fert and sell for 100$ per unit (no research available), cherries cost the same 30 fert but sell for 225$ per unit (researched), clearly peaches are a waste of fert in comparison to cherries.

    I'm quite willing to be a stern critic of GGS: I was around when they ruined one of their earlier farming games and can well remember how rubbish the communications and focus on player experience can be around here. I can quite agree that the devs are (still) careless and their analysis of their own rules is highly shallow (see how they only just produced the relevant graphs after pushing from us: and they are meant to be professionals and experts?).

    But this isn't a valid criticism. Cherries and peaches are not interchangeable: they are built on different farms in different spaces. So, although you may prefer to use your fertiliser on your cherries (if you are online enough, apples are worth more than either), in due course you will run out of space for more cherry orchards. The space which is available to you on your gourmet farm cannot be used for apples or cherries, but only peaches and almonds.

    Big Farm's strategy is about balancing lots of different resources, not one or two only. You cannot simply compare what is going on with one resource in isolation: everything is a trade-off.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 04.04.2014
    Nafaru wrote: »
    Hey Griffith,

    as far as I know, some new researches for the gourmet farm are already planned. I'm not sure if we have a peach research in store as well, but I guess there will be something that makes them more valuable.
    ;)

    Regards,
    Steffi

    ty that'd be really great, cause if see my explanation in last page (referring to post no. #1040), atm demolishing 1 peach orch and replacing it with 1 more almond orch is actually more profitable than even bothering with peach or fruit cake at all.
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 04.04.2014
    uksharon3 wrote: »
    i think the ones who are most annoyed about all of this are the ones that have bought gold the paid to play members as some of these updates have wasted there gold and work they have put into doing there farms.

    You're right uksharon3. And also those who've not invested in gold but invested a lot of precious time developing their farms and have that just gone *poof* right before their eyes.

    For all those who say people on here are whiners, it's just a game, get over it, etc. I think they've missed the point. Because from what I see, the people who are affected the most/have been hurt the most in this game, and yes, those who whine much about it are the ones who can clearly see what's going on and where this game is heading.

    Your "whiners" are the ones who love the game the most and cared enough to back it up with real money and/or time to help build it up to where it is now. Your "whiners" are here still (for now) to speak up and to remind you all that this game won't be around for long if GGS keeps messing with it!
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