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Update - March 31 - The Gourmet Farm Rework - Discussion

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  • tampoon (INT1)tampoon (INT1) Posts: 197
    edited 01.04.2014
    I have got >200 manpower in gourmet farm. While I will try to upgrade those facilities, are we expected to build more (e.g. more than 3 gardens, more than 3 almond orchards, more goat stables)?
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    I'll admit I laughed :) But seriously, at least as things were explained to us, you can make a hefty profit with the bakery when you invest in research and upgrades - More on that as soon as our balancing team arrives and presents us everything ^^

    Well...
    Then please tell how small coops (20 members or lower) can research the necesarry items to the gourmet?
    NOTE THIS: On the skn1 server, it is very hard to grow the coop by getting more serius members who not stop playing after they have sent their application. - We have to be very happy and lucky if we just can grow our coop with 1 new meber in a month!
    - I don't know how hard it is on other servers to get new members.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    I'll admit I laughed :) But seriously, at least as things were explained to us, you can make a hefty profit with the bakery when you invest in research and upgrades - More on that as soon as our balancing team arrives and presents us everything ^^

    Hefty profit??? Oh come on, the new set up is nowhere near the profit of the old restaurant and dairy/bakery combination. The most efficient method for profits at this stage would be to fill the entire farm with almond orchards after fully researching almonds and then seeding and selling almonds all day long. Even at full research and full upgrade the bakery profits in comparison to simply selling eggs, apples etc isnt anything to get excited about.

    Good work bringing in the ducks, donkeys, goats, and making gardens and orchards smaller but the bakery is very disappointing. :p
  • Runnerkim (GB1)Runnerkim (GB1) Posts: 93
    edited 01.04.2014
    Well...
    Then please tell how small coops (20 members or lower) can research the necesarry items to the gourmet?
    NOTE THIS: On the skn1 server, it is very hard to grow the coop by getting more serius members who not stop playing after they have sent their application. - We have to be very happy and lucky if we just can grow our coop with 1 new meber in a month!
    - I don't know how hard it is on other servers to get new members.


    I am on UK, WWW and FR servers and we have exactly the same problems on these servers as you have with finding good new members. This change is impossible for small coops unless they can afford to spend huge amounts of gold.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    I'll admit I laughed :) But seriously, at least as things were explained to us, you can make a hefty profit with the bakery when you invest in research and upgrades - More on that as soon as our balancing team arrives and presents us everything ^^

    1- bakery graphics are super cool
    2- bakery storage idea and mass production is super cool
    3- everything is cool in short...
    ....
    but! someone messed up in doing the calculations Latten, neither its hefty money or anything close to that. it's simply useless building that we watch without using.

    p.s. I love all other new changes... but seriously why did you go guys and mess up such a good building by just some wrong calculations at the last minutes before finalizing it... I hate to not upgrade and use my bakery, but the way it is right now.. it just not worth even using or upgrading or anything really...
  • flitterfootflitterfoot Posts: 10
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    No, it should be motivation to not giving up on the bakery yet, but to invest in it to "bring in the harvest" :)

    Where exactly do we find "bring in the harvest"? I can't find it on either of the gourmet farm researches.

    Doing a bit of mental maths, so it's only rough, We have 19/19 in our co-op, assuming everyone is generous enough to donate ALL of their weekly log in bonus to the co-op it will take over 10 weeks to collect enough gold to research the next level in recruitments. Obviously it will cost more gold to research the next level to get 23 people in the co-op, not sure how much but guessing it will be a lot more than the 9k for 21 people.

    So reading between the lines, the only way the bakery will turn a profit is if people buy gold and then invest it in the co-op (not even going to try and guesstimate the dollar investment needed). So really the bakery aspect of the gourmet farm is only useful to gold buyers. Personally I have no problem with gold buyers getting something extra as a reward, gold buyers pay the bills.

    However, I think GGS should come clean and say it will only turn a profit for gold buyers, rather than beating around the bush and trying to justify the bakery.
  • Runnerkim (GB1)Runnerkim (GB1) Posts: 93
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten

    When are you expecting the balancing team to arrive with these figures showing this hefty profit they have told you about?

    Will it be today?

    Thanks
  • Beanbonne (SKN1)Beanbonne (SKN1) Posts: 5
    edited 01.04.2014
    Just a small detail, I had/have 7 goat stables because of the long production time, too bad goat buildings didn't get removed and refunded too, as demolishing a fully upgraded one gives less than 50% of what a lvl1 cost before. :rolleyes:
    I set up my farms for long productions and only keep a minimum of the shorter productions.
  • MirahhMirahh Posts: 77
    edited 01.04.2014
    Still no answer to the missing XP points in main farm tasks?? Why GGs took them away. I need al those XP back. I was saving money to all tasks and now, What for?? Only 75 XP instead on 300 and so on....
  • edited 01.04.2014
    Runnerkim2 wrote: »
    Latten

    When are you expecting the balancing team to arrive with these figures showing this hefty profit they have told you about?

    Will it be today?

    Thanks

    Am hoping that it isnt an Aprils fools graph saying that once everything is level 7 the ducks will start laying Faberge eggs and we can sell them for 5k each
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 01.04.2014
    Runnerkim2 wrote: »
    I am on UK, WWW and FR servers and we have exactly the same problems on these servers as you have with finding good new members. This change is impossible for small coops unless they can afford to spend huge amounts of gold.

    On the skn 1 server there are only 18 coops with more than 24 members.
    - all other coops are smaller, most of them lower than 20 members

    Is that the same picture on other servers?
  • dwimbruk (GB1)dwimbruk (GB1) Posts: 24
    edited 01.04.2014
    Seems to me the new gourmet farm is now a carbon copy of the main farm. i.e. gardens=fields, ducks=chickens, donkeys=pigs (no use for anything except producing poo), goats=cows, almonds=apples, peaches=cherries etc.

    I liked the old gourmet farm. It was different to the main farm and it made me money. The only difference now is the bakery, which loses me money! I really don't see the point :(
  • Ria_ ()Ria_ () Posts: 280
    edited 01.04.2014
    Mirahh wrote: »
    Still no answer to the missing XP points in main farm tasks?? Why GGs took them away. I need al those XP back. I was saving money to all tasks and now, What for?? Only 75 XP instead on 300 and so on....

    I'm starting to think that was made on purpose as it wont get fixed and now no-one is even commenting on when it might be fixed. And it's totally in line with the gourmet farm thing, making things slower and harder.
  • Bundy (INT1)Bundy (INT1) Posts: 27
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    I'll admit I laughed :) But seriously, at least as things were explained to us, you can make a hefty profit with the bakery when you invest in research and upgrades - More on that as soon as our balancing team arrives and presents us everything ^^

    What we haven't had an answer for is how do the smaller co-ops afford this research? And what about people not in a co-op? They will never make any profit so why build it? The game has just been made impossible for these people, was that the goal? If so I think the upgrade has achieved that.
  • Jumbo Whiffy (GB1)Jumbo Whiffy (GB1) Posts: 44
    edited 01.04.2014
    Unless the 'bakery making losses' fiasco isn't sorted out within a few weeks then I think I will just stop playing. I certainly wont be buying any more gold until then! The game has suddenly become less enjoyable to play!
  • MirahhMirahh Posts: 77
    edited 01.04.2014
    Still waiting???
  • Babygirl_SpiritBabygirl_Spirit Posts: 18
    edited 01.04.2014
    I had looked forward to this update, but mostly I am very disappointed.
    The graphics and buildings look great, I give you that, but for the rest it seems a bit useless.

    Donkey's don't really do anything. Should have made them give milk that could be used at the flowerfarm for a special bathcream.

    For the rest things are too expensive, and none to harly any profit.

    You are screwed if you are in a smaller coop. I am in one with 20 members and it will even still be impossible for us to get the researches done. It is hard to find new serious members.

    Things really need to change or I am really thinking about leaving and I think a lot of others with me. Or maybe that was the intention because the servers were getting too busy?

    I am still hoping against hope that this was all some kind of sick april fools prank (the prices and profit calculations I mean) but I doubt it. I will keep watching for changes the next couple of days and then will deside if I will stay or go.

    If anyone knows of a simular game that isn't so effed up please pm me.
  • MirahhMirahh Posts: 77
    edited 01.04.2014
    April jokes are fun, thanks for them.
    Butt loosing a LOT of XP:s is NOT fun!
    No answer to that problem yet
  • MalikBilal2MalikBilal2 Posts: 374
    edited 01.04.2014
    bakery at level 4 only gives profit at fruit cake and almond muffins provided u ignore the running costs
    so even at level 4 bakery is useless
    hope it gives at least a dollar at level 7
    sooooooooooo dissapointed
  • minadequate2minadequate2 Posts: 93
    edited 01.04.2014
    It was suggested that this update would make it easier for low level players! I Used to have 1 of everything (mainly at level 1) And a level 6 restaurant. The farm was still making me a good amount of profit, now I have built loads and am hardly making anything.... I don't think your maths works out again GG
  • MirahhMirahh Posts: 77
    edited 01.04.2014
    I am going to demolish my bakery. Glad it only level 1. Yes, loosing money, butt have those workers to do a real work and profit.
    And still missing a lot of XP points in main farm.
  • Marcella59Marcella59 Posts: 59
    edited 01.04.2014
    Mirahh wrote: »
    April jokes are fun, thanks for them.
    Butt loosing a LOT of XP:s is NOT fun!
    No answer to that problem yet

    That question was answered earlier, I am sorry, but you will not be getting those XP's back.
  • Player_1 (US1)Player_1 (US1) Posts: 73
    edited 01.04.2014
    I keep reading that this was somehow going to benefit lower levels but regardless of what level you are, if you choose not to be in a co-op you are out of luck for a decent profit since you won't have the benefit of researches. Am I understanding this right?
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 01.04.2014
    Player_1 wrote: »
    I keep reading that this was somehow going to benefit lower levels but regardless of what level you are, if you choose not to be in a co-op you are out of luck for a decent profit since you won't have the benefit of researches. Am I understanding this right?

    nope doing the calculations, even if you BE in a high lvl co-op you still wont make much a profit.
    well you at least won't lose money though by running bakery maybe if you be in top 3 co-op.
  • Ria_ ()Ria_ () Posts: 280
    edited 01.04.2014
    Marcella59 wrote: »
    That question was answered earlier, I am sorry, but you will not be getting those XP's back.

    They said XP's were lowered because you can now collect stuff at both farms, but they seem to have lowered XP's for all tasks. How does GF help when building something on main farm? And they lowered them a lot. Really a lot. Most people seem so concentrated on gourmet farm that they haven't even noticed that HUGE change. Getting to next level is way harder now.
  • edited 01.04.2014
    please don't do this to our flower farm.it's the only farm left making real money.cool graphics on the bakery farm,but don't think a lot of thought was put into the earnings (or lack of) we would be making.this is vary time consuming and not getting a lot in return
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 01.04.2014
    i am using my gourmet farm for eggs and milk and anything else i can sell not bothering with the bakery
  • AngieGamer71 (US1)AngieGamer71 (US1) Posts: 117
    edited 01.04.2014
    Still waiting on the graphic that shows us the great profits the bakery gives us... I am pretty sure Latten said it would be up today. I guess either they hope we forgot or realized that the profit is nowhere near what they themselves thought. Don't tell us it is good profit for higher levels and research, please fess up to the mistakes and correct them.
  • FarmingGamerFarmingGamer Posts: 107
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    you can make a hefty profit with the bakery when you invest in research and upgrades - More on that as soon as our balancing team arrives and presents us everything ^^

    Latten,

    With restaurant and flower farm I guess there is no loss from first level irrespective of researches.Right?So why with Gourmet Farm?Forget about upgrading to maximum and all researches done.

    1.There are many guys out there who do not want to be part of cooperative and they like it that way.So what happens to them?Force them to play in a cooperative?

    2.What happens to low level players from 31st level since Bakery is available from that level?They have to run bakery at loss?

    3.In one of your previous posts in happiness thread you mentioned about good profits with Gourmet Farm?Is this good profit really?

    Anyway I am posting a table where you can see the maximum profit you can get with Fruit Cream Cake.Pass it on to your balance team and compare it with old restaurant and flower farm and please ask the balance team how about players from level 31.

    Fruit cake with cream =400*620=248000 , with 20% from researches 297600
    research number of dollars selling fruit cake 5% (maximum)=312480

    For 8hrs the maximum profit you can get is $ 80005

    Level-1
    Milk :-1600 *35=56000
    Cherries:-700*225=157500
    Peaches:-600*100=60000
    Total=273500
    Loss=25,500 Profit=24100(with 20% researches) and Profit=38980

    Level 2
    Milk :-1560 *35=54600
    Cherries:-680*225=153000
    Peaches:-585*100=58500
    Total=266100
    Loss=18100, Profit=31500 and 46380

    Level 3
    Milk :-1520*35=53200
    Cherries:-665*225=149625
    Peaches:-570*100=57000
    Total=259825
    Loss=11825,Profit=37775 and 52655

    Level 4
    Milk :-1480 *35=51800
    Cherries:-645*225=145125
    Peaches:-555*100=55500
    Total=252425
    Loss=4425,Profit=45175 and 60055

    Level 5
    Milk :-1440 *35=50400
    Cherries:-630*225=141750
    Peaches:-540*100=54000
    Total=246150
    Profit=1850,Profit=51450 and 66330

    Level 6
    Milk :-1400 *35=49000
    Cherries:-610*225=137250
    Peaches:-525*100=52500
    Total=238750
    Profit=9250,Profit=58850 and 73730

    Level 7
    Milk :-1360 *35=47600
    Cherries:-595*225=133875
    Peaches:-510*100=51000
    Total=232475
    Profit=15525,Profit=65125 and 80005

    Instead of telling us to upgrade to maximum and complete all researches because it was never like that with Resto or Shop.We earned profits right away irrespective of researches or level of resto/shop.How far is it fair?May be they have done wrong calculations.Ask them about all players instead forcing players to upgrade to maximum and complete researches and then give us advice that we will earn profit.
  • luna839 (IN1)luna839 (IN1) IN1 Posts: 153
    edited 01.04.2014
    thanks farming gamer... may b they will take this in to consideration...
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