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Update - March 31 - The Gourmet Farm Rework - Discussion

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  • Nickelplated (US1)Nickelplated (US1) Posts: 25
    edited 01.04.2014
    Lies, all lies! Latten sure does have a silver tongue when it comes to selling the people snake oil.

    The thing with the bakery is that it doesn't give profit right off the bat, but the more you invest in it, the better it gets - it's just how the building works.


    Not sure what yankee math GG uses but in the good ole US the numbers do not lie. You do not have to be a math professor to calculate that out, me and several hundred others have calculated it in every possible situation and NO, I repeat, NO profit is to be made. On one slight exception is bakery MAXED out, COOP MAXED out, and oh yes GOLD BOOKS MAXED out, you can turn a meager 100,000 in 36 hours. Wow my chickens poop is worth more than that.

    We did talk this over with our Balancers, depending on the level of the bakery as well as your progress in bakery-related research, you will make a hefty profit in the late game, when both or some of them have some progress going. We asked for a graphic to explain it better, it should arrive tomorrow.

    Even if it seems kinda weird right now, the team actually did put a lot of thought into the bakery and how it compares to everything else, I hope this will get a lot clearer once players use it a bit more and invest in its research/stages.

    Also, as I said earlier, the XP reward for the bakery is missing completely right now, it will be added ASAP.



    So A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT is sort of like our congress voting themselves a raise. So is everyone ready to make more money this year, Crowd says YEY! so which ones of you don't like money raise your hands. You can hear mice in the the background. As far as bakery related research, I SEE NONE! When these load balancer's actually graduate high school please have them look back to learn on their mistakes.

    Happy gaming :)
  • nig4x4nig4x4 Posts: 58
    edited 01.04.2014
    Well up to ow I'm less than impressed!

    It certainly seems that most of the new " gormless farm " is effectively redundant!

    The only hope I can possibly see is that there is a bigger scheme we are not being informed about, The ability to transfere other goods elsewhere? Introduction of other features as yet only viewed surrounding our main farm?

    If GGS have a plan I think they would be well served to let us in on it before they experience a " customer revamp "
  • ArtmakerArtmaker Posts: 415
    edited 01.04.2014
    OH MY GOD the complaining in here! I hoped to find tips and tricks, what to double up on, what is best to make...
    Well forget it. I know with change there will always be people who can't bend with the wind. But gees!

    People this is a GAME! Remember when you all first signed on? Build, harvest, make money so you can expand, upgrade, feed, grow, harvest???

    Yea I miss my high dollar ice cream. I do. but... I can't cry over it.

    What I like is all the new toys to play with. I still don't quite know yet what to grow where to feed what. I'll figure it out just like I did at first. Trial and error. I'll keep a glimmer of hope that eventually, with enough upgraded stuff, profits will be there. Maybe not as much as the ice cream. Oh well. That's gone.

    Do you people really think all this complaining will do any good?
    The complaining about happiness being trashed did not change a thing.

    SO go with it. Because there is no choice in the matter. This is the game, you don't own it goodgames does.
    If you like it, adjust to the changes. Nothing is forever.
    And if you really don't, well... there are other games out there.

    Personally I'm going to give it a shot and will have fun exploring new stuff. Can't say if it's horrible or not and won't be able to for quite some time.
  • ty777ty777 Posts: 22
    edited 01.04.2014
    sooo all told the new animals and buildings are pretty cool but its pretty lame that u don't even turn a profit using the bakery until atleast lvl 3 or higher even then very small profit for the amount of ingrediants needed :(
  • Nickelplated (US1)Nickelplated (US1) Posts: 25
    edited 01.04.2014
    I see your point ARTMAKER! But that is exactly why everything in the world is in such crap, because everyone just rolls over and takes it. Say you bought a new car and it breaks down the next week, you would be mad or upset, you then go back to the dealer and they say, "we don't care how you feel you have to buy another one." If you don't like it then you can shop somewhere else.

    Explore it all you want, I am taking my business elsewhere for sure.
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 01.04.2014
    Totally agree, despite what has happened in the past. I'm sure you are, like me, trying to make sense of this, and it doesn't. It just seems like a big waste of time, money for what... little to no profit. I tell you, I'M about to destroy my bakery and make this supposedly Gourmet Farm, an extension of my main farm as additional production units.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: YOU MAKE ME SICK!

    IO

    you know what they say fool me once shame on you, fool me twice well looks like they got ya. I'm sorry you rushed all of your building processes on your new GF but that is not ggs fault that you did that. I woulda prolly checked to make sure of the prices and profits or lack there of before digging in deeper. well maybe 3rd, 4th or 5th times the charm. Well happy farming


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Removed insults from quote


    thank you for editing Instant Ocean's quote. he swears so much on here I don't even realize it anymore.
  • Alle92Alle92 Posts: 3
    edited 01.04.2014
    Hi Artmaker your statement is right on the nose. This stuff on the computer,people forget so easily that it's just a game glad someone reminded the world. The time we have in this world is so short why worry and get angry over a game. Really? Are there not more important things to worry about?
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 01.04.2014
    What exactly is the purpose of having a Bakery that makes shitty products that yield little profit?

    GGS, we need NUMBERS. We need to know what you have changed and HOW it can be BETTER than what we used to have.


    Right now, like others, I am considering destroying the bakery altogether and turning the gourmet farm in an extension of my main farm for basic products like eggs and milk, etc...

    Better come up with an answer fast...

    IO

    or????????
  • Hedghogplop2Hedghogplop2 Posts: 18
    edited 01.04.2014
    Artmaker wrote: »
    OH MY GOD the complaining in here! I hoped to find tips and tricks, what to double up on, what is best to make...
    Well forget it. I know with change there will always be people who can't bend with the wind. But gees!

    People this is a GAME! Remember when you all first signed on? Build, harvest, make money so you can expand, upgrade, feed, grow, harvest???

    Yea I miss my high dollar ice cream. I do. but... I can't cry over it.

    What I like is all the new toys to play with. I still don't quite know yet what to grow where to feed what. I'll figure it out just like I did at first. Trial and error. I'll keep a glimmer of hope that eventually, with enough upgraded stuff, profits will be there. Maybe not as much as the ice cream. Oh well. That's gone.

    Do you people really think all this complaining will do any good?
    The complaining about happiness being trashed did not change a thing.

    SO go with it. Because there is no choice in the matter. This is the game, you don't own it goodgames does.
    If you like it, adjust to the changes. Nothing is forever.
    And if you really don't, well... there are other games out there.

    Personally I'm going to give it a shot and will have fun exploring new stuff. Can't say if it's horrible or not and won't be able to for quite some time.

    Hi Artmaker, I've been doing the same (searching for tips and summary to bring back to my co-op) along with trying out the various new aspects on the GFarm. It's not much, but here's what I've gleaned thus far: the immediate way to turn around a modest profit is to focus on gardens, goats, and the water mill. Much of the new stuff takes a long time to produce, but if you have a few goat stables, a water mill, and at least one garden you can start planting dandelions, pump up the volume with some humus if available, turn the quick-growing dandelions into goat feed via the water mill, then feed it to the goats. The donkey and duck feed comes from slower crops, but having multiple gardens gives you space to just let those crops grow while stocking up on dandelions and goat feed.

    The peach orchard isn't as profitable as the almond orchard in terms of raw product (per hour), and depending on your main farm research, both may not yet rival the profit-per-hour rate of your apple/cherry orchards.

    The new silo and composter for the GFarm lend an off-set time vs. volume outcome for humus and fertilizer compared to the same production facilities on the main farm (great for folks who are competing against a clock for production or who strategically plan check-in times to maximize production.)

    The bakery is--overwhelmingly--a disappointment and is not profitable unless your co-op has maxed out the research and the facility itself has been upgraded to the max. It also doesn't produce the XP that it should; this will be addressed during business hours tomorrow. There have been a few mentions of passing along the profit issue to the dev team but for now, general consensus ranges from "don't do anything with the bakery until we get further intel" to "grah grah, I shall play no more". I have no personal opinion on any of those options or about those who choose them, but am personally throwing in with the former sentiment to see what comes of all this in the next week. Hope this was in some way helpful!
  • jules314 (US1)jules314 (US1) US1 Posts: 399
    edited 01.04.2014
    It's been a day and I think I'm leaning towards what many have said before. That the bakery seems to be a very large disappointment and overall a loss in revenue. A coop member of mine says that you will make more money on selling raw products THAN making goods in this building. That is, until it's fully upgraded AND your coop has done research on all levels.

    However, it looks like FRUIT CAKE WITH CREAM is a profit. For my group we have the first 4 levels researched and the numbers were crunched using both a level 1 & 2 bakery.

    That seems to be hard for most people to do. It takes a lot of coop members to fully research those levels and I know that mine is definitely still recruiting. We don't even have 27 members and that means we won't make a profit on all the goods in the bakery. Again, at least for now, until everyone upgrades their bakeries. But what stinks is trying to convince our coop members to invest in the research and their bakeries, if it's very clear there is no profit.

    So for me, I'll build gardens, the production buildings and stables. Even though I built peach orchards, they might get demolished, and I will keep the almonds for the flower farm. I am very happy to still have that Flower Shop! So I will definitely be using the money I got back to invest on that farm.

    But when that XP shows up on the bakery, and if the developers decide to make profits happen earlier, then I'll invest in the bakery again. For now, no way. But this is an exciting change, for sure. Just a little bit disappointing :(

    Oh, darn, I forgot.. added this in because I remembered something ...

    In one of the threads we got, did it say there would be events on this farm too? I am pretty sure at least. So, if this is true, then we have to consider either 1) sitting out all GF events if we choose not to upgrade this farm, or 2) be able to complete the tasks with gold, or 3) finish all event tasks without gold, hopefully.

    I'm not picking Big Farm's side on this bakery or gourmet farm stuff, just now remembering reading that somewhere...
  • SirGeorge (US1)SirGeorge (US1) Posts: 354
    edited 01.04.2014
    Forgive me, but this entire game and it's game play seems half baked. The relationships between farms and game play are horrible. The times are too long and drawn out, which is not conducive to playing the game for longer periods of time. Periodic check in's don't get people to break out their credit cards.

    Now with reduced profits in farm dollars, which makes the game more challenging, but new players aren't always looking for a "hard game." Maybe what GGS had with Big Farm was an easy game that people enjoyed and spent lots of real money on. The prospect of starting and getting to a high level was easy and obtainable for everyone with a little money and perseverance. Now, it just seems increasingly difficult for new players so I am not sure about the future of the game.
  • Bundy (INT1)Bundy (INT1) Posts: 27
    edited 01.04.2014
    Ok, I have been trying to find a positive with the new update both by reading the threads/forums and personally on the new gourmet farm. So far the only positive I have found is that it is a new challenge. Apart from that it seems that this was more of a DOWN GRADE than an upgrade.

    So the happiness update was aimed at the "production farmers" but didn't really effect them too much, but it really stuffed me over and others around my level.

    The gourmet farm update does what exactly, apart from offer new buildings? Latten openly posted that the new bakery wont really make money until you reach maximum upgrades and research which also stuffed me and many other lower level players over big time AND those in smaller co-ops which would need to use gold to buy the research. This means that unless your other 2 farms are making a very good profit to cover the losses you have 2 choices, 1/loose truck loads of money after building the new farm 2/ don't build the gourmet farm and focus on the other 2 farms until they go down the same route.

    Seriously, looking at it from a "part time" player (3/4 hrs a day) all this has done was make the gourmet farm part unplayable.

    Yes there will be players that disagree, there always is but I think I am for once in the majority of gamers who don't like it at all. And to make matters worse many of the answers to the questions are not definitive, seems like no one really knows what is going on when you break it all down.

    All these recent updates have been publicized as making the game more playable, more fun and more rewarding. I can't see any of that as being even half true.

    So to summarise from all I have gleaned and learned first hand, unless you are already a high level or are in a very advanced co-op you need to buy and use gold to achieve even mediocrity. And we are not just talking a few dollars here and there for gold purchases but much more, and for what? So they can do another update where you loose the gold you already put in and then need even more again. I have no problem with the option to advance with gold if that's how you play but to make it necessary is BS. All that has happened now is the "casual" gold buyers will now stop buying and that's going to hurt someone and that wont be me.

    Everyone needs to ask themselves this, WHEN WILL THEY DO THIS DOWNGRADE TO THE OTHER FARMS?

    Unfortunately with all the "beating around the bush answers" and the bull crap about how much better it will all be this is the straw that broke this camels back.

    Good luck everyone however you play, I am sure I will bump into some of you in a new game
  • Ala123Ala123 Posts: 52
    edited 01.04.2014
    Correction (removing Coop bonuses incl. transferred to Almonds)

    COMPARING ORCHARDS:
    • Apple 425 / 3hrs @ [$56 -27%] = $23,800 = $6,200 / hr LEVEL 4 ( 40)
    • Cherry 300/12hrs @ $207 = $60,000 = $5,000/hr LEVEL: 4 (43)
    • Peaches 270/14hrs @ $100 = $27,000 = $2,000/hr LEVEL 2 (41)
    • Almonds 215/4hrs @ [$90 -80%] = $20,000 = $2,800/hr LEVEL 3 (46)
  • tampoon (INT1)tampoon (INT1) Posts: 197
    edited 01.04.2014
    Yes, I seem to be spending tens of thousands on the gourmet farm every HOUR but I don't seem to be earning a dime. I already have -89% running cost, thanks to all my previous work being pulled down.
    Will the flower farm be the only source of income?
    I used to gain a bit through selling milk and apples, now they are need in the new bakery, but I wonder if sales at the bakery will give me much profit. :(
  • emmasilleemmasille Posts: 4
    edited 01.04.2014
    maybe they are malking backwards because it is the 1. of April ;-)
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 01.04.2014
    Thats a good point emma, I completely forgot about the date! :D

    I'm missing my marzipan ice cream already! No matter which way I look at this it seems the bakery is a complete waste of time in regards to profits. It is only useful for players that are concerned about moving up the rankings because of the XP on offer. Research on gourmet recipes is ridiculously expensive even between 30-40 coop members and it would take years of play to break even.

    One more thing i'm a bit disappointed about is the length of time required to collect duck eggs. 8 hours for a maximum egg collection of 550 (level 7), and its regular eggs of the same value as the chicken eggs. I can produce twice as much from a chicken coop in that time so I simply don't understand the logic used here. Why not have duck eggs worth twice as much? Why not have duck coop collect time at 4 hours instead of 8? It just seems a bit excessive to me.

    Apart from that I look fwd to the challenge of figuring out how to make the GF profitable. Whether I use it as a dung/humus collecting machine or turn it into an orchard farm is yet to be seen.
  • MollieGlitch (US1)MollieGlitch (US1) US1 Posts: 48
    edited 01.04.2014
    After this update, I'm definitely not investing more in the flower farm. I'm afraid of what will happen when *that* update is unveiled.
  • MalikBilal2MalikBilal2 Posts: 374
    edited 01.04.2014
    level 1 bakery is just useless
    i am in a coop with all the researches completed and still level 1 bakery gives you nothing but a loss
    we are better off by just selling the things we are going to run the bakery with
    a questions
    when we upgrade the bakery will the goods stored be transferred to the next bakery level or we lose them?
  • MirahhMirahh Posts: 77
    edited 01.04.2014
    I do not like the bakery, It really does not make any profit. Even my co'op has done all recurces.
    I still want back ALL XP point GGs took away from Main Farm tasks. And What about the money Margitorix was talking about?? I tried to calculate my money, and i think i did not get full price about my buildings.
  • luna839 (IN1)luna839 (IN1) IN1 Posts: 153
    edited 01.04.2014
    Hello Latten, good morning..... when will the developers tell us about the working of the gourmet farm? They were going to give us some official post about that today weren't they?
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 01.04.2014
    subforums, adding different colored posts for mods/CMs for better readability and many other small things. We're working on a lot of things to come for the forums.
    Also I forgot to lock my door.
    jaystarr2 wrote: »
    So, just to be clear (for when you and Naf read this tomorrow), what would be the motivation for someone who is not in a high-leveled co-op to produce goods at the bakery for a loss?

    No, it should be motivation to not giving up on the bakery yet, but to invest in it to "bring in the harvest" :)
    Mitsumi2 wrote: »
    *claps* Good job GGS! Here I thought you were just going to blow it, but this is great! You're earning my love again! ^^

    Woo :) Great to hear, glad you like it ^^
    jaystarr2 wrote: »
    I might be missing something, but really, what's the point of DONKEYS on a GOURMET farm?

    I.. uhm... aw, look, a three-headed monkey!
    BoomGR wrote: »
    on later levels the bakery need less products to start working and offers you also good amount of dollars and XP (bakery will offer XP on next update for GF as Latten said) if you make also the researches so its still worth it!!!!

    i believe GF at the moment is positive for all members, for low levels also because they have the ability to build more productions for eggs,milk etc

    Exactly! At least that's what we're trying to do here :) Don't forget everyone, when you got the new farm, your main farm was (for the most part) already leveled up a lot, same to your old Gourmet farm. From a new player's perspective, the new farm fits in much, much better than the old one, be it production or output.
    And on higher levels, it should be quite convenient in the long run as well.
  • UmazanUmazan Posts: 3
    edited 01.04.2014
    Omg, i LOVE you Latten. Will you invest into my businnes i'm gonna start tomorrow. I may need some additional investments next year (possibly few years in a row) since were probbably make loss. But hey dont worry, once we are as big as apple or google, we will surely make profit.
  • montuosmontuos Posts: 1,275
    edited 01.04.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    ...and many other small things. We're working on a lot of things to come for the forums.

    Dare I hope we might finally get a strikeout font here?
    Latten wrote: »
    No, it should be motivation to not giving up on the bakery yet, but to invest in it to "bring in the harvest" :)

    "Invest?" No, seriously??? "Invest" implies some return, and it has already been amply demonstrated that there is precious little of that even for those who do belong to a co-op that has done tons of research, and none at all for those who don't! "Bring in the harvest"? More like throw it away!

    Gah, I'm too tired and cranky for this. Maybe there will be some sense to be found here if I sleep until Thursday...
  • kiko kokiko ko Posts: 3
    edited 01.04.2014
    Just want you to know that I have just decided to stop with this game. Will destroy my farm and send the money and gold to my coop - I don't like it any more, am spending too much time on here, and the gourmet farm is not bringing the fun it was promising - don't even want to really start with it, after reading all the comments etc.
    This game isn't worth my time...
  • GSaundersGSaunders Posts: 4
    edited 01.04.2014
    I found that the goods to make bakery products take time to collect, but n sales TURN A TIDY PROFIT. EX: Apple Pie pays $30,000 an hour. AS I metioned it does time to collect goods, so I have turned to FILLING Bakery Capacity to MAX. Then I shall START production. I"ll sell goods like peaches,pigs,etc till MAX is reached. The Eggs will be First MAX that I see. If I Need Cash, A 3 hour wait for Apple Pie will pay out $90,000. Its all in the Numbers.
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 01.04.2014
    Umazan wrote: »
    Omg, i LOVE you Latten. Will you invest into my businnes i'm gonna start tomorrow. I may need some additional investments next year (possibly few years in a row) since were probbably make loss. But hey dont worry, once we are as big as apple or google, we will surely make profit.

    I'll admit I laughed :) But seriously, at least as things were explained to us, you can make a hefty profit with the bakery when you invest in research and upgrades - More on that as soon as our balancing team arrives and presents us everything ^^
  • UmazanUmazan Posts: 3
    edited 01.04.2014
    GSaunders wrote: »
    I found that the goods to make bakery products take time to collect, but n sales TURN A TIDY PROFIT. EX: Apple Pie pays $30,000 an hour. AS I metioned it does time to collect goods, so I have turned to FILLING Bakery Capacity to MAX. Then I shall START production. I"ll sell goods like peaches,pigs,etc till MAX is reached. The Eggs will be First MAX that I see. If I Need Cash, A 3 hour wait for Apple Pie will pay out $90,000. Its all in the Numbers.

    Please do your math again (i think you forgot to deduct cost of producing the goods required to make an apple pie)
  • tom24852tom24852 Posts: 50
    edited 01.04.2014
    emmasille wrote: »
    maybe they are malking backwards because it is the 1. of April ;-)

    Maybe the whole update was just an early April fools day joke,cause that's what it seems to be....a complete joke
  • harduphardup Posts: 125
    edited 01.04.2014
    I sooo miss my old Gourmet Farm.
    I got 73M farm money when it was demolished.
    What for ?
  • jonathana2jonathana2 Posts: 8
    edited 01.04.2014
    When do we get donkey burgers, curry goat and pekin duck in a new gourmet restaurant? The bakery offering is fattening for us couch potatoes. I guess that GG staff have very poor subsistence food after all which florist offers you a pasta gift basket? Sadly the grace of the gardens is diminished with their shrunken size. I am not eating on this farm any more.
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