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Update 18.03. - Happiness achieved

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  • randy60 (US1)randy60 (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 23.03.2014
    Sorry Bambi, the rules Ladygrail keeps posting about I can't find them.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    randy60 wrote: »
    Sorry Bambi, the rules Ladygrail keeps posting about I can't find them.

    I started playing this game a year ago.. when it was a choice to go factoryfarm to benefit your coop.. to go for -100 productioncost because it felt good to have a utopian option... or to go for the most profitable balance between the 2.

    The rules themselves.. i do not know where or even if they are written down anywhere... But according to the information given by the mods, the upgrade was done because ppl kept breaking the intention ( rules) of the game by having factory farms.

    The new guidelines( rules) was said to be optimal for the low and middle players.. really hard for the factory farms, and a tiny inconvenience for the -100 group.

    That i call changing the rules midgame.. if i play LUDO.. I dont do it with monopoly rules.

    Result compared to announced intent: Factory farms still going strong.. not a huge change for them, and no need for them to do much different.
    Middlegroup.. steep and hard climb up to reach good profit area.. or an easy and quick drop into facoryfarm area.
    -100 group.. just forget it.. no longer an option.
  • randy60 (US1)randy60 (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 23.03.2014
    The Tasks have told from the start of the game you need Deco's.

    even up in the 60 levels have 35 decorations on your farm they are definitely necessary.

    and you had been getting that all through the game?
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    randy60 wrote: »
    The Tasks have told from the start of the game you need Deco's.

    even up in the 60 levels have 35 decorations on your farm they are definitely necessary.

    and you had been getting that all through the game?

    Yes they said to have decos... actually i think you missed my point completely.. im not against decos...

    And factoryfarms have none or just few decos.. ( and they have every right to chose to do so)

    I am not promoting or discouraging ANY style of playing. Just saying I CAN NOT get to -100 anymore, which i loved because ive never done that rl...

    When i started playing it was possible.. now it is impossible... so ive quit playing on the farm.. simple.
  • farmer123456789 (NL1)farmer123456789 (NL1) NL1 Posts: 22
    edited 23.03.2014
    The game become less and less fun, very bad. Happiness goes down, bees hard to get, strange building, what more bad changes will bring the future. The only aim for good games owners is only one goal is to buy more gold. The fun is going out of the game.



    Post edited by Kat Nip: removed boycotting information
  • randy60 (US1)randy60 (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 23.03.2014
    Sorry you are upset,but you can still make good profits with less than -100% Happiness and we are all on the same boat.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    randy60 wrote: »
    Sorry you are upset,but you can still make good profits with less than -100% Happiness and we are all on the same boat.

    :)I am not upset... I just want to play the game i payed for.. and not have to change because someone else decided it.
    If you are ok with it, then thats your right.
    And i wasnt after the profits.. i have enough of profitchasing in my real life.

    I wanted something gamelike.. like -100... i dont need to play real life.. i live real life:)

    Thank you for the kind words tho.. but i will find another fun game thats just that.. a fun game:)
  • Marcella59Marcella59 Posts: 59
    edited 23.03.2014
    I'll put 35 decorations on my main farm if they undo the happiness update
  • Dadfish (US1)Dadfish (US1) Posts: 13
    edited 23.03.2014
    Ladygrail....
    Our co-op has slowed down tremendously in participation because of this update. Where several of us were buying gold, no one has purchased any in the days since the update. While no one has quit, nobody has joined and almost all of us have significantly reduced time spent playing, and enthusiasm with the game. And NOT ONE member of our co-op has a positive thing to say about the update.

    My two cents(reduced to .085 cents since the update).
  • george3 (AU1)george3 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 411
    edited 23.03.2014
    randy60 wrote: »
    Where are these Rules you keep Posting about?????

    I want to read them.
    Hi Randy
    Official Announcements, Community Guidelines, is as close to a set of rules there is.
    Lets just wait until gourmet farm update, before we do anything rash, you never know, someone at GGS may have looked at the forum, as no Announcements yet, maybe not, they need to do something soon or it maybe too late.
    George
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 23.03.2014
    The game become less and less fun, very bad. Happiness goes down, bees hard to get, strange building, what more bad changes will bring the future. The only aim for good games owners is only one goal is to buy more gold. The fun is going out of the game.

    ^^^If everyone stops buying gold the owners wont get sense, they will simply shut down the game completely and then all of us miss out. I am still amazed that a 0.00001% max happiness drop has caused so much drama.

    As for mass production farmers claims to be unaffected and thriving.......at -71% running costs the final cost on production of 40 units of fertiliser is only 14720 dollars, the cost of same amount on factory farm is well over 200,000 dollars. That alone is a significant difference with costs of everything else including stables, orchards, fields, even coops being much more expensive than a decorated farm. So while factory farms are benefiting their respective coops, they are having to rely on gourmet and flower for decent profits.


    Post edited by Kat Nip: edited quote
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    ^^^If everyone stops buying gold the owners wont get sense, they will simply shut down the game completely and then all of us miss out. I am still amazed that a 0.00001% max happiness drop has caused so much drama.
    .

    To be able to be amazed is a good thing.

    However.. to be amazed that some ppl feel differently than you?.. cmon

    A huge lot ( not all by far, but a lot) of the players are fed up, tired, sick of not knowing from day to day what awaits them in a game they started to play to have some simple fun.

    The biggest happinessdrop.. i agree its not in the farm revenues.. it is in the playerbase. I dont have FB, but im told theres a LOT of grief being communicated there too.

    The topic of the thread is HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT, not how you feel about what others feel about it...

    Hugs, I do love you tho.. your smart, and ur kind:)
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 23.03.2014
    You missed out on the 31 rewards in 31 days on Facebook lady grail. While some of the rewards weren't great there were a few including gold, XP, and farm dollars. There is quite a lot of grief coming from FB about this latest update so you're right about that. I don't see them winning game of the year to be honest, even though the effect of these updates to my own farm has been minimal :D
  • deja17deja17 Posts: 2
    edited 23.03.2014
    you did good
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 23.03.2014
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    ^^^If everyone stops buying gold the owners wont get sense, they will simply shut down the game completely and then all of us miss out. I am still amazed that a 0.00001% max happiness drop has caused so much drama.

    As for mass production farmers claims to be unaffected and thriving.......at -71% running costs the final cost on production of 40 units of fertiliser is only 14720 dollars, the cost of same amount on factory farm is well over 200,000 dollars. That alone is a significant difference with costs of everything else including stables, orchards, fields, even coops being much more expensive than a decorated farm. So while factory farms are benefiting their respective coops, they are having to rely on gourmet and flower for decent profits.

    There are more then a 100 posts in this thread where ppl tell exactly what happend. There happiness dropped from -100% to -83% (more or less).

    My MF dropped from +300 to +471 and my income (MF only) is still 500K/day, (playing full day) in percentage 14,84% profit.

    This includes: making more chickenfeed then needed and sold for xp, same is true for silo/fert.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    You missed out on the 31 rewards in 31 days on Facebook lady grail. While some of the rewards weren't great there were a few including gold, XP, and farm dollars. There is quite a lot of grief coming from FB about this latest update so you're right about that. I don't see them winning game of the year to be honest, even though the effect of these updates to my own farm has been minimal :D

    you must have missed my earlier post about how i feel about fb then
    I dont like it, and i dont have it, and since i dont like it, i will not use anything from it.. including vouchers..
    If i were a vegetarian.. i wouldnt eat meat...im not an fb fan.. i dont "eat" fb products..
    And that includes not fetching them for myself but letting others do that dirty work for me.. i just wont.. sry.
    ( not trying to make fbuse look bad btw, its a personal choice is all.)
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 23.03.2014
    Thats hardly thriving as some have claimed in this thread, so it has affected players on both ends of the scale and not just decorated farms. I've upgraded 2 houses on my gourmet farm and the running costs went from -87% to -86%. So while a high level deco placement has minimal effect on running costs (between -80% and -99.99%) it also works the other way when adding workers through upgrades. Should be useful with all these extra things being added through the gourmet revamp.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Thats hardly thriving as some have claimed in this thread, so it has affected players on both ends of the scale and not just decorated farms. I've upgraded 2 houses on my gourmet farm and the running costs went from -87% to -86%. So while a high level deco placement has minimal effect on running costs (between -80% and -99.99%) it also works the other way when adding workers through upgrades. Should be useful with all these extra things being added through the gourmet revamp.

    True, and allthough it was supposed to affect factory farms the most ( did not), make it easier on newbies( not really sure how it affected them tbh), be optimal for those in the middle..( i think thats true), and be barely noticable by -100 players ( was not, as-100 was not so much for profit, but for the dream). I does remain to be seen what happens with the gf.
    One thing a farmgame teaches you, its how to wait on your goods to mature, I wish more ppl was able to look foreward to this revamp with more glee and much less fear, but when experience tells you it could be a disaster.... games arent supposed to give u bad sleep due to stress after all:(
  • Bundy (INT1)Bundy (INT1) Posts: 27
    edited 23.03.2014
    Every game is the same, the developers start out making it fun based and you advance depending on the time and effort you put into it.

    Then as the game starts to pick up a good amount of base players changes are made to make the game "BETTER". But better for who? Well its better for people who will buy game dollars/gold/coins. Then there is another game update where the developers squeeze a little harder and make the game near on imposable to advance unless you start buying more and more "in game currency".

    It is a very old formula, just ask around. Happens on facebook all the time, most browser games follow the same path. And more often than not it is European game companies that do it most, right to the point where their gamer numbers drop to around half before they "realize" they went too far. Then the game does 1 of 2 things, it either folds/closes/disappears or becomes stagnant with no new updates and all that real money you paid is gone for good.

    I don't spend my hard earned on any games unless I am getting value for money and this is not a game where value for money is 1 of the developers goals.

    I don't understand why people complain so much, if you don't enjoy playing a game move on and find 1 you do enjoy playing. It's not like game developers actually listen to us gamers and change the game because people complain. Heck they probably don't even read most of these threads.

    I am in a good co-op and while advancement is incredibly slow because I wont spend any money for the time being it is still ok. Any more negative game changes though and I'll just leave, that's the only thing that the developers care about because if I still play I "MIGHT" just spend some real money on their stuff.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 23.03.2014
    I don't understand why people complain so much, if you don't enjoy playing a game move on and find 1 you do enjoy playing. It's not like game developers actually listen to us gamers and change the game because people complain. Heck they probably don't even read most of these threads.

    I am in a good co-op and while advancement is incredibly slow because I wont spend any money for the time being it is still ok. Any more negative game changes though and I'll just leave, that's the only thing that the developers care about because if I still play I "MIGHT" just spend some real money on their stuff.

    gotta love this , lol.. you dont understand why ppl complain, and not just leave.. and then you say you stay because your in a good coop, but if it gets worse.. you will leave:)

    Hugs, i think you just told urself the reason :D

    And i agree, most browsergames do follow this formula.. to this day ive only found one ( years ago) that is not, and is still going strong, members eager for new improvements, and equal chances ( in the long run) for free and paying players alike.. so they are out there:)
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 24.03.2014
    This game still is free to play though. Sure you wont get all the advantages of a gold buyer but you can still run along and make decent profits running the three farms. There is a gold push no doubt but in the end its the user that decides to purchase gold, not the developers.

    Nothing wrong with Bundys post, he said he doesn't understand why people "complain" and not just leave. He also said he would leave if it gets much worse.....he never said he would complain about it for a few weeks first and then leave lol :p
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 24.03.2014
    Bundy4 wrote: »
    I don't spend my hard earned on any games unless I am getting value for money and this is not a game where value for money is 1 of the developers goals.

    I don't understand why people complain so much, if you don't enjoy playing a game move on and find 1 you do enjoy playing. It's not like game developers actually listen to us gamers and change the game because people complain. Heck they probably don't even read most of these threads.

    I am in a good co-op and while advancement is incredibly slow because I wont spend any money for the time being it is still ok. Any more negative game changes though and I'll just leave, that's the only thing that the developers care about because if I still play I "MIGHT" just spend some real money on their stuff.

    There are a lot of ppl out there that like this game and they are willing to pay for it. But to make the decision on how to spent it, they look at the benefits they obtain before buying them. If these benefits are taken away ppl get upset because that is not why they bought them in the first place and they feel cheated.
    I find it hard to believe that it took the designers one and a half year to find this 'bug'.

    For the rest, i totaly agree.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 24.03.2014
    Bundy, im sry.. i did not mean to put you down in any way.. if someone else took it that way, i am sure you may have too, and i apologize.

    About lol complaining a few weeks lol and not just leave.. ive allready said my piece:P

    And free to play? Yes, i guess thats right.. in a way.. if you have no wish to get to the top.. do the research and finish half your quests.. yes then its a free game.

    But if the point was that you can actually PLAY the game.. and go for the topscores in ranking and skills.. no.. than its far from a free game.
  • SANDRAUser602SANDRAUser602 Posts: 131
    edited 24.03.2014
    Well said Bundy...Bravo to you...:D I hope people will read this post!
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 24.03.2014
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Bundys post, he said he doesn't understand why people "complain" and not just leave. He also said he would leave if it gets much worse.....he never said he would complain about it for a few weeks first and then leave lol :p
    Perhaps because there is a differce between a costumer who actually purchased something in the store and is complaining about it being broke and a costumer who just checks out the store and leaves without buying anything.
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 24.03.2014
    Bundy4 wrote: »
    Every game is the same, the developers start out making it fun based and you advance depending on the time and effort you put into it.

    Then as the game starts to pick up a good amount of base players changes are made to make the game "BETTER". But better for who? Well its better for people who will buy game dollars/gold/coins. Then there is another game update where the developers squeeze a little harder and make the game near on imposable to advance unless you start buying more and more "in game currency".

    It is a very old formula, just ask around. Happens on facebook all the time, most browser games follow the same path. And more often than not it is European game companies that do it most, right to the point where their gamer numbers drop to around half before they "realize" they went too far. Then the game does 1 of 2 things, it either folds/closes/disappears or becomes stagnant with no new updates and all that real money you paid is gone for good.

    I don't spend my hard earned on any games unless I am getting value for money and this is not a game where value for money is 1 of the developers goals.
    Well said Bundy...Bravo to you...:D I hope people will read this post!

    Could not agree more.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 24.03.2014
    Trippel2 wrote: »
    Could not agree more.
    same:) ... I feel like making a game myself , that way id KNOW it was fair... would anyone dare play it? lol
  • Lilypaddle (INT1)Lilypaddle (INT1) Posts: 614
    edited 24.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    same:) ... I feel like making a game myself , that way id KNOW it was fair... would anyone dare play it? lol

    Then I dare you too. You will see it is not as easy as you think it is. And there would always be someone saying that your game isn't fair because you can't please everyone.

    At the end of the day you can play this game for FREE. If you want to have the biggest and baddest farm then the reality is that you will have to pay money. Because people who PAY money for the game get advantages. That is nothing new in online gaming.

    If you can't have a good sleep due to the rules changing in an online game then maybe it is time to step back and stop playing these games.
  • dragonpridedragonpride Posts: 574
    edited 24.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    same:) ... I feel like making a game myself , that way id KNOW it was fair... would anyone dare play it? lol
    go for it lol ill be the first in line to give her a try.if you need ideas i have a lot of suggestions that just go to waste in a forum where management pretends to care about them.
  • Bundy (INT1)Bundy (INT1) Posts: 27
    edited 24.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    Bundy, im sry.. i did not mean to put you down in any way.. if someone else took it that way, i am sure you may have too, and i apologize.

    About lol complaining a few weeks lol and not just leave.. ive allready said my piece:P

    And free to play? Yes, i guess thats right.. in a way.. if you have no wish to get to the top.. do the research and finish half your quests.. yes then its a free game.

    But if the point was that you can actually PLAY the game.. and go for the topscores in ranking and skills.. no.. than its far from a free game.

    No offence taken ladygrail. I have never posted in a game forum before today, hell mostly I don't even read them because of all the complaining, and by complaining I mean nothing constructive said.

    Yes I do agree with many of the complaints BUT after reading through the forums for a couple of hours thismorning I couldn't help but notice that the developers either don't read them, don't care what the consumers are saying OR both.

    Currently I like the co-op that I am in but co-ops are dynamic with people coming and going all the time. Some make it better and some not so. Just like life. You need to be prepared to take the good with the bad or do what dogs do, rake dirt and grass over it and move on.

    I guess the point I was trying to make was this; If your no longer enjoying the game, feel ripped of or just generally taken for granted then perhaps it's time to move on? I never let my gaming get to the personal point with other players or let the game dictate my moods in real life.

    If the same physical store ripped you off more than once and either ignored you about it or tried to make out it was your fault you wouldn't go back would you? Why should this be any different?

    I do really feel sorry for people who have invested large amounts of money only to be forgotten, ignored or worse being told it is "their" fault about their concerns. The developers need to realize that unless the majority of people are happy they have nothing, no income and eventually no job. But there seems to be a never ending supply of people thinking that things will improve so I'll just buy a few more ........ and good luck to them, it may just pay off but I am yet to see that happen to an online game as once the player numbers start dropping so do the updates. I have seen it so many times before.

    The best thing about games like this is that you, the individual, get to play how you want to. Sure if your super competitive and can spare the cash go for it. Me I just cruise along at my own pace doing what suits me and helping the co-op along the way, I have had the misfortune of spending gold unintentionally because of some "glitch" on more than 1 occasion but I didn't pay for that gold and will NEVER pay for gold unless these problems are addressed. I'm not silly enough to believe its not fixable and certainly not silly enough to believe it's unintentional from the developers.

    Have a great day everyone and happy gaming :)

    DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY
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