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Update 18.03. - Happiness achieved

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  • Kitty ReedKitty Reed Posts: 80
    edited 18.03.2014
    it has happen and i am not impressed one bit
    you work your butt off for that -100
    just to wake up to -82 come get a grip ggs !!!
  • DottieGamerDottieGamer Posts: 13
    edited 18.03.2014
    I spent a lot of gold (real money) to maintain -100%. What is the use then to buy decorations AGAIN? I am not happy with this update and refuse to spend more real money to buy decorations with game dollars or gold. With this happiness everybody will be bankrupt very soon.

    Don't feel like playing this game anymore - my gold decorations cost me thousands of real money. What for? GGS have to reimburse the gold that is now working anymore - I bought gold decorations and build blue houses to stay at -100%!!!!!

    I did not enjoy this game anymore - it is supposed to be a fun and strategic game. Well, after this update my strategic does not work or count anymore.
  • IlseW (NL1)IlseW (NL1) Posts: 97
    edited 18.03.2014
    OMG, are they insain?
    This is what told:
    "You won't notice a huge difference at all - It will be noticable if you get very close to 100%, or if you discard decoration completely. If you're not in these areas, you will even have a notable push in Happiness."

    Yeah right, I went from -100 to -83!!!!!!!
    NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE?
    Excuse me?
    This is a very big difference.
  • janicemathew2janicemathew2 Posts: 4
    edited 18.03.2014
    i agree with all the above. thank you Green Giants
  • connerk2connerk2 Posts: 177
    edited 18.03.2014
    Decos = mostly useless now
    build less decos and more production buildings

    Funny, isn't this the opposite of what the intention of the update was supposed to be?
  • MDF8MDF8 Posts: 13
    edited 18.03.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    update looks as it was promised, thanks ggs (don't like the Mine & Token achievement though)

    Is it because you see these as a gold grab? Though it's true that these achievements tasks could be progressed more quickly with gold spending, both the mine and tokens run along without the need for gold. After all any other production could be quickened with gold spending too.
  • sonylau2sonylau2 Posts: 8
    edited 18.03.2014
    tracey40 wrote: »
    I was at exactly 100% happiness on all farms. Now they are all at 83%. No way to improve without compromising production. This 'upgrade' is nothing of the sort, it's a penalty.

    totally agree with you!!

    Whatever you are gold farmer or non-gold farmer, all hv huge penalty !!!
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 18.03.2014
    connerk2 wrote: »
    Decos = mostly useless now
    build less decos and more production buildings

    Funny, isn't this the opposite of what the intention of the update was supposed to be?

    that's not true, you're getting the point of this update the wrong way, it doesnt mean Deco = useless and build more production.
    it means from now on Quality of decos (their happiness) and Quality of production buildings (their lvl) matter more than their Quantity. which is very reasonable.

    ex. see how useless extra chicken coops lvl 1 are now compared to old system. since 1 5x5 +74 happiness deco can make much a difference in replacing that coop.
  • minadequate2minadequate2 Posts: 93
    edited 18.03.2014
    I've done a quick graph showing a positive total happiness against running costs (note the running costs are obviosly negative but are plotted as positive..)

    1214jh3.jpg


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Fixed image
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.03.2014
    thank you for the new stickers, i like this upgrade.
    is the hidden sticker the spoiler from here - highlight to read it: dog training?


    Post edited by Kat Nip
  • connerk2connerk2 Posts: 177
    edited 18.03.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    that's not true, you're getting the point of this update the wrong way, it doesnt mean Deco = useless and build more production.
    it means from now on Quality of decos (their happiness) and Quality of production buildings (their lvl) matter more than their Quantity. which is very reasonable.

    ex. see how useless extra chicken coops lvl 1 are now compared to old system. since 1 5x5 +74 happiness deco can make much a difference in replacing that coop.

    Nope, wrong again.
    If 70 happiness grants me a whooping 1% return on cost, why would I build a décor there instead of a production building?
    Everyone will max there profit at around 70% if I got this formula right from the numbers I've seen.
    This means build less decos and more production buildings and it means
    decos = nearly useless
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.03.2014
    A 5x5 blue tractor at 5500 gold (for moneyspenders only) will give you 3,5 happiness.. (approx) I will need to buy 5 of them to get even close to where i was, and 1.25 plots of land to put them on.
  • tom24852tom24852 Posts: 50
    edited 18.03.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    still not sure why would so many players do that... If i be high lvl and no change comes to this game i'd be bored in less than a month... you guys been playing this game for a year and want it to remain same... I honestly don't get it...


    You don't get it Griff....people on here are up for change all the time but not where it comes to changing the goal posts....we were promised a 4th farm for a long time(that's now gone by the wayside)....instead our gourmet farm is going to be updated but i can guarantee somewhere in that update gold will need to be used so once again the greed of ggs will shine through......this happiness change is just a smokescreen for ggs to con people out of more real money but more fool the people who decide to fall for it....btw Griff....in a years time if you're still playing this game(which i doubt you will be) and ggs decide to cut the decorations happiness in half because people have too much happiness in their farms come and tell us how thats progress
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 18.03.2014
    elisa742 wrote: »
    thank you for the new stickers, i like this upgrade.
    is the hidden sticker the spoiler from here - highlight to read it: dog training?
    Yes it is. :)

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • edited 18.03.2014
    Haha....I am laughing my *** off ^^
    my gold decorations cost me thousands of real money
    You must be a millionaire ^^

    So everybody has too pay a little bit (fake) Dollars extra. It only means you have to safe a little bit longer before you can purchase land or expand a building... what's the big deal?... do you want to finish the game tomorrow?

    I have heard a lot of people "complaining" that the cooperation tasks were far to easy. Well, now you have a choise to demolish a production building (to put more decoration items) or you will have to pay more (again: fake !!) Dollars.
    This is making the game a little bit more difficult and automaticly...a little bit more interesting.

    Good job!
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 18.03.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    still not sure why would so many players do that... If i be high lvl and no change comes to this game i'd be bored in less than a month... you guys been playing this game for a year and want it to remain same... I honestly don't get it...

    Some children are happy when they get the same candy with a different color.
  • gyodafgyodaf Posts: 55
    edited 18.03.2014
    Main +87 = -57%
    Gourmet +55 = -45%
    Flower +153 = -70%
    No problem for me.

    Positive perspective : The game is more challenging now.
    Negative perpective : You cheat us GGS! I won't spend gold from now on. I quit this game.

    Which one do you choose? It's all free choice for us.
    (GGS, i'm waiting for the upgrade of gourmet farm, make it faster! )
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.03.2014
    Have to give you thumbs up for trying Kat. But i do hope you see that GGS has made you moderators into liars ( not your fault) by having you give us totally wrong information.
    Dropping 17 % is NOT insignificant. And just to add to that.. seems the intended goal ( to stop the +300) has also failed.
    To sum it up, the "factory farms" can still run, and it is the rest of us, goldplayers and free players alike, that has to take the rap.

    I am quitting once my gold is spent.. maybe i should join a coop so i could donate some..
  • DottieGamerDottieGamer Posts: 13
    edited 18.03.2014
    Thanks GGS for wasting my real money to buy gold for blue houses and decorations. What is your plan now - refund the gold decorations that did not count anymore to achieve -100%? I refuse to buy gold for decorations or blue houses. Only my husband's farm do I have to expand twice and then the gold rush will be over.

    I am very disappointed - you are supposed to make the players happy. After all, they pay your salaries and if a lot of them leave the game, then the game will crash in the near future.

    Why do you not listen to the players what they want? Instead you give them something they did not like at all. Maybe it is your strategy to make people unhappy.

    I always cannot wait to come online, because I like and enjoy the game. After this update, I won't stay online 12 hours anymore.
  • edited 18.03.2014
    well on flower farm -100% went to -83%,so i traded out a +60 deco for a +84 only brought my happiness up to -84%,by my calc. that's only 1%.so basically you want silly looking decorations that have nothing to do with farming,not a actual working farm.need game name change to DIG DECORATED FARM.the growing fields will be the only way you can tell it's a farm .what's next +750% because people didn't change their now +500% farm to what you feel OUR should look and work like.sure hope there's enough people that are happy about this, to keep the new big decorated farm afloat.you do know they want you to spend gold and if this ploy doesn't work,be sure to know there's another official announcement around the corner to help you feel even happier
  • edited 18.03.2014
    Thanks GGS for wasting my real money to buy gold for blue houses and decorations. What is your plan now - refund the gold decorations that did not count anymore to achieve -100%? I refuse to buy gold for decorations or blue houses. Only my husband's farm do I have to expand twice and then the gold rush will be over.

    I am very disappointed - you are supposed to make the players happy. After all, they pay your salaries and if a lot of them leave the game, then the game will crash in the near future.

    Why do you not listen to the players what they want? Instead you give them something they did not like at all. Maybe it is your strategy to make people unhappy.

    I always cannot wait to come online, because I like and enjoy the game. After this update, I won't stay online 12 hours anymore.
    dottie, we all know this wasn't about making any of us happy (other than the players moving up in ranks from people leaving).we used our voices ggs could have cared less with what we have to say.there's no point to playing all day. i will log in to fulfill coop obligations.spring is around the corner,time for baseball,fresh air and buying a xbox today to fill in the time that i choose to play a game.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 18.03.2014
    I'm not trying to convince players that want to quit, not quit. so try to understand my words too, this new happiness system is actually very close to what is in reality and is mostly used in simulation software and models too. that picture that got shared showing the graph was exactly what i was talking before the update, the logarithmic type.
    so if you see the big picture of the game change, you will agree this is good, even if it means you wasted some bucks on some decos (which i don't think is a waste if you actually know how to fix stuff though)
    and if you can't see the big picture which is the fact that online games has always been due to change to improve and satisfy The Majority of their players in Long Term (not short term ofc alot of ppl may quit now or feel cheated or whatever, but the fact is in time more ppl might actually might get interested to play this game with this system so in long term its no big deal)
    so there's 2 choices honestly:
    1- adapt to changes, spend / or not spend(you don't have to anyway) and play the game now
    2- quit and never play any online games if you feel changes are like betrayals or cheating, buy a video game for 100 bucks instead and play it 1000 years and i swear it wont change even 1 bit and you wont be unhappy.
  • minadequate2minadequate2 Posts: 93
    edited 18.03.2014
    I've done a bit more graphing and by my estimates you would need a total of around 800 to be in the high -90's (ie almost at -100%) before you needed only 310-20 ish this means its more than twice as expensive if you want to get back there. Since the no decorationer now have +500% rather than +300% they don't even have a doubled cost. Therefore this really has hit the decoration farms the hardest. Will be swiftly dumping all but my best decorations!

    (Extrapolations are from this data I took from my game

    1214jh3.jpg)


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Fixed image
  • DottieGamerDottieGamer Posts: 13
    edited 18.03.2014
    BesjeB
    You must be a millionaire

    I am not a millionaire, in fact my husband is a pensioner. I buy gold strategically with the +50% of +100% bonus. I spent it wisely.
  • tornadoo2tornadoo2 Posts: 23
    edited 18.03.2014
    I've done a quick graph showing a positive total happiness against running costs (note the running costs are obviosly negative but are plotted as positive..) 1214jh3.jpg

    hey if that help you too to continue it
    483 -88%
    522 -89%
    561 -89%
    600 -90%
    639 -91%
    723 -92%

    i am not with the update many time i posted that about but to help more...


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Fixed image in quote
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.03.2014
    I'm not trying to convince players that want to quit, not quit. so try to understand my words too, this new happiness system is actually very close to what is in reality

    I am happy for you Griffith, that you enjoy the new changes. truly.

    thing is.. if it is reality you want.. look at any farm and check out which ones that makes money form decorating the place.. and which ones makes money on production.

    Also check out which workers get all upset and grumpy when you upgrade their living accommodations, versus the ones that actually get happier with better housing.

    I get the reality thing.. but then it has to be true for the game as a whole.. not just a few aspects of it.

    So therefore.. even if i do understand your reasoning, it falls on sand since the rest of the game is based on other things.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 18.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    I am happy for you Griffith, that you enjoy the new changes. truly.

    thing is.. if it is reality you want.. look at any farm and check out which ones that makes money form decorating the place.. and which ones makes money on production.

    Also check out which workers get all upset and grumpy when you upgrade their living accommodations, versus the ones that actually get happier with better housing.

    I get the reality thing.. but then it has to be true for the game as a whole.. not just a few aspects of it.

    So therefore.. even if i do understand your reasoning, it falls on sand since the rest of the game is based on other things.

    housing in this game is factor for number of workers so ofc it shall mean more unhappiness than happiness the more number of workers it gets. that's not even a reason at all. if we were buying workers for pure unhappiness, then yea housing could be a positive factor and every house becomes like doghouse which gives more "happiness" with each upgrade. but realize that in this game houses don't represent accommodation, it represents number of workers you get.
  • BlueFarmerGirl (GB1)BlueFarmerGirl (GB1) Posts: 1,882
    edited 18.03.2014
    Thanks for showing me the event just now ...
    When it's only day until it's ending.
    Is it a new technique to sell more gold (which i need if i want to finish the event)?
  • george3 (AU1)george3 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 411
    edited 18.03.2014
    I think it's time Dr. Christian Wawrzinek manned up & get out here & face some very angry customers, you the head of GGS, I think it's time for damage control, you've punished the wrong people, if a game needs to work on punishment, I think that game will have a limited future.
    GeorgeX(
  • DottieGamerDottieGamer Posts: 13
    edited 18.03.2014
    BesjeB

    You must be a millionaire

    Most of the gold decorations I have, I received with the Wheel of Fortune. I could not buy all those decorations with gold. It is worth to play wheel of fortune, especially if you spin the free one after 8 normal spins. I still have a lot of decorations in my drop box, but I won't bother any more to build any. Why can GGS not bring in a tab or button to donate some of those decorations with fellow members in the coop. I cannot build 32 barbeques - HP too low.
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