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Update 18.03. - Happiness achieved

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  • Emma66 (GB1)Emma66 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 134
    edited 15.03.2014
    Yes, this game is all about balance and strategy, we struggled through the lower levels to get to a position where we can use the productivity of the gourmet and flower farms to offset costs on the main farm to benefit our co-op. GG is changing the rules to make this balancing and strategy fail.

    They are also increasingly failing to balance the needs of goldplayers and non gold players. Our co-op has both. I am a gold player - lots of blue on my farm! But this game needs both if it is to remain entertaining and keep me playing (and buying!). Both add value to the game. If the non goldplayers leave because the game has become so unbalanced then it reduces the game play for EVERYBODY! In addition the incessant primedays, new gold decos, and gold advantages actually add absolutely no additional gameplay value at all. I no longer play missions because chicken and egg was removed. Even if this is re-instated now the gold bought fields & gold bought barns that have been added have created such a huge in-balance that the problems with missions have been exacerbated and so it won't work. GG has shown really short sighted thinking and has also lost a lot of good will.
  • Goober51Goober51 Posts: 3
    edited 15.03.2014
    I never understood the whole preoccupation with decorations anyway. I think the decorations tower is dumb. Who cares? The only reason I have deco is to keep my running costs as low as I can. I am at level 49, and only now have been able to get to the point that I've achieved -100%. But I know it won't last - even if the game isn't altered, because I still have expansions to do, and more people to add. I have deco for the same reason I have the water tower and the workshop: to lower my running costs. If other people don't want to use that stuff, it's their prerogative. Why should the rest of us be penalized? Maybe there is a fundamental misunderstanding on the part of GGC when they heard people want more deco. (Personally, I'd like less!) Maybe what people were saying is that they want decorations that are more effective and better looking (It's certainly what I would prefer). If that's the case, GGC is going in the absolute wrong direction with this. But I think it's pretty low to change it so that -100% is not achievable. It happens in real life, so why not here. (Example: I know of several copper mines that also pull enough gold out of the ground to totally cover their operating expenses, making the operation costs effectively 0.)
    I agree with the others: If you want to change something, change the gourmet farm. Right now it really isn't much different than the main farm, just different stuff. That would be cool. Get creative. But I don't understand why you think you have to shepard people that don't care if they run at +300% costs. The world will always have its nonconformists and idiots. You going to punish their obstinate by making more difficult for the rest of us to play? That's brilliant! Hope you can survive on the fallout (read revenue looses) you will surely suffer. If you're doing it because you think people don't understand the happiness meter, CHANGE THE METER!!! And, I know that some actually will clear all the deco off their farm to be able to put up temp production for a project, then demo the added production and put the deco back afterwards. It's a strategy. If they want to do it, fine, let them. IT's a freakin' strategy game for crying out loud!! Instead of screwing around with the rules, make the game more interesting instead of having three farms that do essentially the same thing. Here's an idea: How about actually using pigs for something other than cash? How about a hide tanning facility that can take the hides and turn it into leather and make stuff out of it to sell. How about selling porkchops and roasts in the restaurant? Or are we so PC that we don't want to insult the vegetarians? But we're okay upsetting everybody else by messing with the happiness points? The game is enjoyable. And I totally understand that as the game matures, a re-balancing is required from time to time to keep everything running smoothly. But when you propose a change like this, you should proceed very, very carefully, because it could be a monumental failure and destroy you.
  • edited 15.03.2014
    i do run at +300% and i did buy gold decoration and some from the events,now they sit in storage.as i got to a certain lvl of play i chose to do full production,it better helps the coop,and i did spend gold to help do this. before you say i could just tear things down to make room for a fairytale tower,for these ungrateful workers,who by the way have much nicer gold bought houses than the farm owner lives in.my wood framed house wouldn't still be standing if a tornado came through today.to tear down production to put my deco's back in place.would leave me with a lot of unused workers,i would have to teardown houses bought with gold,and unless ggs offers me a refund (which would never happen ).there was no rule in place saying my farm couldn't evolve to run this way.so you see we +300% farms paid dearly in gold to do our farms.sad thing is ggs will go forward not careing a flying frog, about what the players that have been here and helped with the purchasing of gold kept the game growing.
  • Runnerkim (GB1)Runnerkim (GB1) Posts: 93
    edited 15.03.2014
    I am a gold player and therefore I have paid for the position I am in. My problem is that when you pay for something you do not expect it to be taken away. If you go to a garage and buy a car, you do not expect the garage to come back later and say we are taking your car away and giving you back something a little smaller. You would refuse and be outraged. Well for me this is exactly the same, I made a purchase and now it is being taken away from me. I am also sick of all the gold related projects being thrown at us. I buy gold everytime I see a 100% offer, today was the first time I ignored the offer, I will continue to do so until GG starts to listen to us. the game has become boring with no attempt to improve it for higher level players, the same boring missions time and time again. How much time and effort would it really take for them to have improved that, where is their business sense, I think I know but it would be deleted if I said:-)
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 15.03.2014
    gyodaf wrote: »
    Come on guys, have you not played other online games beside this one? All online games system will try to maintain the balance of every game elements, and surely have weakness here and there. That's the updates are for.

    Eg. MMORPG (Massively multiplayer online role-playing game), if the developer found out that there's one class (for example Warrior class) is over-powered among other classes, they surely do something to fix it. Sometimes it happens in 3-6 months or whatever, since the game is released. Why the developer didn't build the perfect warrior at first place so it won't need to be fixed in future? Because they're human, who have certain limit of calculation, prediction, experience, etc.

    HEY... what about players who chose warrior class at beginning?? They already spent huge amount of real money (hardcore gamers of MMORPG will spend thousands of dollars to make his character the most powerful one) for equipment, weapon, skill, items, pet, ride, etc. Before the update, he could kill a priest in pvp with 3 hits only, now he needs minimum 6 hits to do the same job. Now he needs 50 hits to kill a monster boss instead 20. He's still the most powerful among his friends and his guild, and still top 10 player in that server (because of huge amount of money he spent).

    What he will do next? Get angry because he can't enjoy for having over-powered class anymore? Quit playing, or go adapt? It's up to his choice.

    I see why you may think like you do because of another game. I do not play this other game. But in this other game do they have to tear down their warrior that they spent thousands of dollars on and build him back up again. I bet if they did it might outrage them too. It would outrage me. As i stated before this is not about GGS feeling sorry for the little guy, because they don't. Its not about them balancing it out, because they are not. Its a poor business tactic to gets us to once again spend our money. They noticed that if we take our decorations off our main farm then guess what?, we must not need to buy more decorations. Then it must not be a matter of want and need for us. It is plain and simple here. If GGS wanted to help the little guy out he would give the advantage of buying a great decoration of 200points that no other level can have. there are other ways to balance this out other than punishing the players. I know i have spent more than hundreds of dollars on this game and GGS is going to force me to get rid of things that cost me real money in order to put decorations down that cost more real money. Well now that i refuse to spend money guess that's not going to happen. Maybe i'll just take this massive hit on my farm make very few $$$ on my farm and call it a day. Who knows on that point right now. But what i do know is this, people absolutely have a right to be angry here. If you don't see it then well then i cannot help you. It is our money invested. It is our time, so try to be understanding to that. Other than that for people supporting this or think its a good idea you are about the only ones i cannot wait to see this crap shoot of an idea ola hit your farms. Because i am gonna be laughing my rear off when your crying
  • momoma (GB1)momoma (GB1) Posts: 29
    edited 15.03.2014
    Maybe you shoud try to ask developers... to eliminate houses! Your workers will be complitely happy with that idea, they could take a bath in the nearby river, sleep in the hay with their beloved animals, make dung also for your super farms...
  • chicaachicaa Posts: 437
    edited 15.03.2014
    I have been reading, reading and reading and as a whole, this happiness "update" is for the birds! I run at 300%, and worked long and hard since I joined in October of 2013 to get my farm at a point where it helps my Co-Op. I am at level 88, and do not have millions in the bank, in fact I have very little. I am upset that GGS won't take a moment to rethink the so called "update." There have been so many suggestions posted that are a better route than what GGS has chosen to do..The thing that gets me is that so many people are angry, and for good cause, and GGS will just proceed with the so called update as scheduled. I certainly think some type of compromise needs to be made.. it is unfair all around to the 300%ers and the 100%ers who run their farms a certain way because its a strategy game!! GGS completely is wrong, and just wanted to add my 2 cents, that I am extremely dissatisifed by it. Last time I checked, this is a game that is supposed to be fun!!, GGS is sucking the fun right out of the game!!
  • gyodafgyodaf Posts: 55
    edited 15.03.2014
    @rie222
    I wrote this at page 12 :
    gyodaf wrote: »
    - From GGS point of view:
    Hmmm...this is not good. Mass production farms begin to spread everywhere and ignoring deco. Our sales of gold deco is declining. Other players will think, what's the need of buying gold deco. They find a away to exploit our basic rule: balancing production and happiness. Focusing on one side will make the other side suffers. Let's do something about this.

    First, of course it's about balance. You must admit that mass-production farm is completely ignoring happiness as one key element of this game.
    Second, of course it's about business:their income from gold deco :)

    I can't see your farm so i don't know how much damage the update will cost you. I think the most impact come to fancy houses. IF i were GGS, i'd apologize to players for the update. Second, i'll give the gold back to who're demolishing fancy house. Complicated? I have to do it.

    What if GGS won't do that? Then sorry, it's up to you. I, myself, won't play this game forever. At the time i quit, surely i'll lose all my real money i used in this game.
  • jojo20122jojo20122 Posts: 9
    edited 15.03.2014
    As a matter of fact, I do spend some real money on the game - not a lot, but what I spend comes out of my "entertainment" budget, which also includes things such as cable TV, movie tickets, and single malt Scotch whiskey, so, yes, my interest is as valid as yours.

    Secondly, my US farm is level 108, so I am hardly unaware of the nuts and bolts of gameplay. I also have a level 45 farm on the UK server, so I will experience the changes from both ends of the spectrum, so to speak.

    It seems to me generally unwise to complain and threaten before one understands the actual impact, but perhaps getting incensed about a tempest in a teapot is just to the liking of some people.

    Lastly, as this is "about voicing an opinion," that is exactly what I did. I am looking forward to the changes and welcome a new challenge to the game. The game was getting stale to me, and I was thinking about abandoning it, but will stick around to see what new things are in store.

    If I don't like them, I will again consider leaving, but you may trust that I will not feel the necessity to make public rants about why.
  • edited 15.03.2014
    jojo20122 wrote: »
    As a matter of fact, I do spend some real money on the game - not a lot, but what I spend comes out of my "entertainment" budget, which also includes things such as cable TV, movie tickets, and single malt Scotch whiskey, so, yes, my interest is as valid as yours.

    Secondly, my US farm is level 108, so I am hardly unaware of the nuts and bolts of gameplay. I also have a level 45 farm on the UK server, so I will experience the changes from both ends of the spectrum, so to speak.

    It seems to me generally unwise to complain and threaten before one understands the actual impact, but perhaps getting incensed about a tempest in a teapot is just to the liking of some people.

    Lastly, as this is "about voicing an opinion," that is exactly what I did. I am looking forward to the changes and welcome a new challenge to the game. The game was getting stale to me, and I was thinking about abandoning it, but will stick around to see what new things are in store.

    If I don't like them, I will again consider leaving, but you may trust that I will not feel the necessity to make public rants about why.

    ok jojo your the best
  • momoma (GB1)momoma (GB1) Posts: 29
    edited 15.03.2014
    There is one idea for developers! Yu could create more types of farms: slavery farm, kibbutz... In a slavery farm workers would be fine with some sort of punishment because as good and humble as they are, they know they are born in sin and shoud suffer. And they will respect their master as a true saviour. In kibbutz... it coud be hell of a fun :)!
  • chicaachicaa Posts: 437
    edited 15.03.2014
    Also last time I checked, this is a forum, where we can VOICE our opinions!! We are not whiners, we are stating our opinion, so too bad if you don't like it, just don't read em!!

    Just I stated I am against the the so called "updates", some of you like them. To each's own!! Jees, don't badmouth the people who are just stating their angry, because nothing is being done to correct the situation. I'm sure the bashers will have something to say about this, but I will only respond back with a kind comment, because I actually have some MANNERS!! Come on people, don't be rude, its very unclassy!!
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 15.03.2014
    HI gyodaf I have an account on www 1 ladyvader. Its brand new level 31. But even there i will suffer the consequences. I am not a big gold user there (i was going to be). but on my rie22 farm huge. I am level 118 I lead brat pack. I don't have a lot of farm $$$. I was pretty much supporting my coop. I ran all three farms at 300% with the occational stratedgy of taking down some deco's to build the extra chicken coop or extra apple orchard.
    The problem is I bought books for eggs the max . (any who have done this know how much this costs) I was asked today by a fellow coop member (whom i respect ALOT) why do i have so many chicken coops on my rie22 farm and why I don't demolish them?? OMGOODNESS Demolish? well lets see they are all level 7 which means I had to wait a long time for Archie and I pushed with gold and I paid for the max eggs boosters. So am i upset. You Bet Your Bootie. So when i'm asked why I have so many and I should demolish some. I have this look O.O
    I think what GGS wasn't thinking about were all these coops that compete are trying to go the distance. We were on of those coops but we are no longer. Those of us that use the main for projects usually are gold users pushing projects. So if we have to demolish what we use for gold that hurts GGS. So not smart. I don't think they thought this all the way through to the conclusion.
    On another note for me as well my life is changing I won't be here forever. I'm getting married I will have a family so I don't see this game in my future. So in that aspect you are very right! I do wish you well! keep posting you are if anything very interesting.
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 15.03.2014
    Bravo jojo - well said (in both your posts)!
  • Slodge (AU1)Slodge (AU1) Posts: 46
    edited 15.03.2014
    At least 1 quarter of the co-op I am the leader of are leaving and also many will NOT be buying anymore gold... Like me they have had enuff of GGS sucking the goodness from this game... MouseHouse is currently #2 in the ranking of the co-ops with 41 members... Quite a number of months ago GGS promised us new changes to the missions well looky there NOT a thing has been done about that and that is might I add a huge part of the enjoyment of this game... All GGS is concerned about is paying their developers and putting food on their plates...

    There are many that have spent a fortune on here for some fun & also to interact with ppl...

    I have worked my Butt off and am #1 in the APs... pretty much all the work i have done is going to be for nothing as i will be pulling the plug on this game like many many others that have worked hard to get their farms up to a level and to maintain a productive co-op...

    This is just the beginning off alot more rip off stunts that GGS are going to do on this game as YES all they see is the profit they can benefit from this site...

    This will also be my last post on here as I cant stand anymore underhanded reasons that GGS do what they do...

    GoodBye

    (Another Unhappy GGS Customer)

    No Doubt GGS will delete this post as well... :-(
  • randy60 (US1)randy60 (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 15.03.2014
    Bye Slodge.
  • edited 15.03.2014
    so can we play this game without buying gold,or will ggs next say that's not allowed.please let me know,i'll go out today and buy a x-box.just one set of rules with those games,just play and have fun
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 15.03.2014
    bye slodge sorry to see you go. Will miss your posts. But i completely understand your frustration. I feel i must stay. I will make my stand by not spending another penny here. I will be a voice here too. Good luck on your new adventures whatever they may be.
  • kavi61 (IN1)kavi61 (IN1) IN1 Posts: 46
    edited 15.03.2014
    way to go Jojo. well said :)
  • xxx56wifexxx56wife Posts: 7
    edited 15.03.2014
    Thank You GG for allowing hubby and I to play together. I don't play as much as he does (job) vs. disabled. He talked me into playing and am glad he did. The newfound friendships and the socializing are worth it. And the cost for entertainment is minimal. We are in a top 10 co-op and it is just that! No mega-farms and the workload is spread equally! Haven't bought gold for a couple of weeks and hubby saw the 200% and says to wait for it. He and I are not leaving anytime soon. So bring the update and let's see how it plays out!!!!!!!!
  • Matthew4 (US1)Matthew4 (US1) Posts: 1
    edited 15.03.2014
    I new at the game I don't know all about it yet sore
  • momoma (GB1)momoma (GB1) Posts: 29
    edited 15.03.2014
    Hm.. how to make one sustainable, happy system? We, humble ones, could raise a fund, contribute 1€/month and direct that money to accounts of our agile co-gamers.They could spend a lot of money and we'll be happy because we did good deed!
  • xxx562xxx562 Posts: 24
    edited 15.03.2014
    I have and will continue to support this game and for the naysayers that wanted to quit over books....how many own them now? Just give it a chance!!!!!!!
  • JGS (NL1)JGS (NL1) Posts: 12
    edited 15.03.2014
    This announcement really shocked me. All changes have their influences, some bigger than others, and we have to adapt a bit. And so far no real problems and frustrations arose from those. But this is simply a big slap in the face.

    Not so long ago I had my three farms to -100% and I was proud of it. I invested some of my real money to achieve this. And only then I was able to expand such that I didn't need the decos on the main farm anymore. So on the main farm I have +300% now. Now in a few days this changes to +500% with no time at all to adapt. Am I being forced to sell things now and only get half of the money I put in back? That seems unfair (we get a full return of investment once the gourmet farm changes take place).

    And I still have two farms at -100%. But now comes the impossibility to achieve -100%. Why? It was a perfect goal to work to. And once you get there you know you can get the most out of your farm. But now... (yes I know money wise it doesn't change much but psychologically it does!) This really starts to feel as a harassment of the high level players.

    Although the explanation Tallen gives us seems plausible at first sight but it is nonsense and not well thought through. What do they really want to achieve?

    I agree with many others that a focus on speeding up the other promised advances would be better. And what happened to the fourth farm?
    If you want to keep high level players busy invest in that and not in trying to annoy them as much as possible.

    Updates are fine, but changing the rules during play and on such short notice is simply rude and inconsiderate. So at least an apology and some compensation would be in order.
  • paultje19752paultje19752 Posts: 217
    edited 15.03.2014
    Kat Nip2 wrote: »
    Personally, I'm really happy that they have considered all the options available to them - it's what I would expect of anyone making a decision of this magnitude. It doesn't automatically mean that because something was suggested, it would be seriously considered once all the positives and negatives of a solution get discussed.

    this was about deleting farms who had only production buildings (this to put the remark in its context)
    I think it really absurd that they even considered it. and i think it a total disrespect of the players
    this players did noting wrong and its a totally legitim playing style.....if you really want decos then you must set a minimum for everyone.

    Kat Nip2 wrote: »
    Basically Kakerullen, the formula needed to work out the happiness on farms had to change, not only because of the introduction/evolution of the mass production farms, but because the developers were locked in how much happiness each decoration could be assigned.

    With the way that the formula is going to be after the update, it will unfortunately mean that 100% won't be achievable on a farm - the highest that you can achieve is 99.9999999...%. With the happiness as it is set at a "hard" cap of 100% as it is now, the highest decorations they really could offer in the way of happiness is 80 for the Community Bonfire and 78 for the Event decorations.

    Once it switches to the new happiness formula, it will mean that there isn't a cap at all, as the 99.99999...% is infinite so the developers can offer higher happiness decorations than we have now.

    Anyway, this is just how I understand it to be - I'm not a mathematician or anything. I'm sure Latten, Nafaru or Griffith will correct me if I'm wrong. :)

    interesting to read that this is an update to introduce later a decoration of probably happines above 90 for probably very much gold....which again proves many statements made in these posts about gold and ggs

    luckily i am an university graduate in mathematics and know this is complete nonsense
    the difference between -99% and -100% in the main farm will be about 10,000 dollar each day if you are a complete day player with 12 cows 6 chicken 6 apple 2 cherry. So for most players it will be far less
    so this change never make it more interesting then before to introduce higher hapines decos
    And i even not discuse the difference between 99,99 and 100% because there it would be about the same as watering 1 tree lol

    so the change is again not make possible what they wanted unless the new formula will change the -100% to -80% or someting...but then the introduction text is misleading cause there lattan say its only a small change for -100% running cost players

    BYTHEWAY GGS can hire me to prevent there stupid mistakes in balancing en repairing it. Also i can learn them basic rules of how you treed costumers and make a profit out of that.
  • edited 15.03.2014
    we'll see how happy all of you who believe this is such a great idea will be,when ggs decides this -500% formula will be good idea for the other 2 farms
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 15.03.2014
    we'll see how happy all of you who believe this is such a great idea will be,when ggs decides this -500% formula will be good idea for the other 2 farms


    so true Ruler! This is why I say the only people I wish this update on are the people so Ye Haw about it!
  • DottieGamerDottieGamer Posts: 13
    edited 15.03.2014
    SOLUTION FOR DECORATION AND HAPPINESS PROBLEM TO CONSIDER
    1. If players don't use decorations for their farms, give them a quest to build x amount of decorations.
    2. Give them 3 days gap to see if there is any improvements due to your request as an official quest
    3. If they did not build decorations when the 3 days expire, let the workers go on a slow strike - slow production
    4. Give another week to build the required decorations and if they still not build decorations, then their workers go on a full strike - no production whatsoever.
    5. In this way, nobody who is playing by the rules and workers demand for decoration to reach -100% running costs, the other players have to change their game plan accordingly.
    6. The other players with decorations will then not be punished due to the small group that does not use decorations.
    7. Maybe GGS can reward the players that play the game by the rules - lots of production and decorations as well. We have to buy the highest HP decorations just to accommodate more production buildings.

    This make sense and then nobody can be unhappy and enjoy the game again. Hope you will think about this recommendation so that everybody should be happy again.

    If the game is edited with abovementioned suggestions, then the happiness can stay as it is now and a lot of players won't be affected. You have to think of those who play the game by the rules. I spent a lot of gold decorations just to stay at -100% running costs. If you go through with this current update it comes down to that I have wasted my real money to buy gold decorations.
  • paultje19752paultje19752 Posts: 217
    edited 15.03.2014
    SOLUTION FOR DECORATION AND HAPPINESS PROBLEM TO CONSIDER
    1. If players don't use decorations for their farms, give them a quest to build x amount of decorations.
    2. Give them 3 days gap to see if there is any improvements due to your request as an official quest
    3. If they did not build decorations when the 3 days expire, let the workers go on a slow strike - slow production
    4. Give another week to build the required decorations and if they still not build decorations, then their workers go on a full strike - no production whatsoever.
    5. In this way, nobody who is playing by the rules and workers demand for decoration to reach -100% running costs, the other players have to change their game plan accordingly.
    6. The other players with decorations will then not be punished due to the small group that does not use decorations.

    This make sense and then nobody can be unhappy and enjoy the game again. Hope you will think about this recommendation so that everybody should be happy again.

    i dont understand why you think its fair to punish people who have no decos? its a perfect legal playing style ..its nowhere written its not allowed
  • edited 15.03.2014
    SOLUTION FOR DECORATION AND HAPPINESS PROBLEM TO CONSIDER
    1. If players don't use decorations for their farms, give them a quest to build x amount of decorations.
    2. Give them 3 days gap to see if there is any improvements due to your request as an official quest
    3. If they did not build decorations when the 3 days expire, let the workers go on a slow strike - slow production
    4. Give another week to build the required decorations and if they still not build decorations, then their workers go on a full strike - no production whatsoever.
    5. In this way, nobody who is playing by the rules and workers demand for decoration to reach -100% running costs, the other players have to change their game plan accordingly.
    6. The other players with decorations will then not be punished due to the small group that does not use decorations.
    7. Maybe GGS can reward the players that play the game by the rules - lots of production and decorations as well. We have to buy the highest HP decorations just to accommodate more production buildings.

    This make sense and then nobody can be unhappy and enjoy the game again. Hope you will think about this recommendation so that everybody should be happy again.

    If the game is edited with abovementioned suggestions, then the happiness can stay as it is now and a lot of players won't be affected. You have to think of those who play the game by the rules. I spent a lot of gold decorations just to stay at -100% running costs. If you go through with this current update it comes down to that I have wasted my real money to buy gold decorations.

    play by the rules,there was no rule saying i couldn't spend my money and time as i see fit for my farm.that is until now changing the rules as they go along is a deceptive way to operate a bus.
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