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your kidding right ,no sooner than they'll give back gold for any buildings we may have pushed through with gold on g-farm,that they will be demolishing for these new changes
same answer to bacon from pigs that will never happen
Absolutely shocking. Your most valued players are going to leave--whether we buy gold or not--you don't seem to be getting that message. I DO want to buy a little, but give me something I want when I go to spend it--an affordable high value deco.
There is just too much uncertainty with this game right now. You already ripped my heart out when you close down the other farm games and this one will surely follow. NOT letting you do that to me again.
I should put this in a PrivateMessage, but you never answer them.
Remember these farms?
I have just three things to say to you:
1. Punctuation
2. Spelling
3. See how you feel after another year of playing, when all your hard work gets obliterated because they move the "gold" posts on you.
I've read your two later longer replies and understand your position, but I've read other facts and am in physical shock about the reality of this:
GG is threatening bans to users who attempt to do the only thing that would get through to GG ( or it would not be banned ). Instead of listening or talking to us.
This is ridiculous but real. I should not get a fright in/from a game about coloured pixels! This isn't about some percentage anymore, this is actual suppression of the masses. These forums are a sham to placate us, as is the "talk to us" button or customer report (both never ever replied).
I feel a worthless subject. I take back my comparison of those stupid workers on "our" farms to GG - we are those drones, ambling about in a small enclosure, our minds/money drained every 30 secons. And now there's fear added as well. I'll shake that off in a minute (and my farm in the next week or so).
Hi Cariberry I think as anew player you have missed the point being made, I am a coop leader, heavy gold user and have many many millions of dollars in my account as well as 4 pages of high value decs in drop box and full to over brimming in my storage box, so in principle the changes will not prove to be a financial difficulty, however, and this is the point, of principle, I play the game and use strategy within the rules. GGS have now dictated what strategy we will play by. so No. it will not be hard for me or the many others who have invested real money in playing within the rules. It is the unfairness of it. Some people are voting with there feet and leaving, others such as me and many of the top 200 coops are voting with our wallet (cant use the term boycotting gold as it can get you banned from the game). When you are in a position to speak from experience you will understand peoples feelings on this matter. Happy farming
Well said Peggy, we all have pages and pages of gold bought decorations which we cannot fit on our farms (my farm is running with decs and in the - section) i have spent hundreds of real £'s on this game but made a conscious decision when bombarded with primes to cut down significantly (as would have been noticed by many in the weekly rankings)
So others in the co-op decided to run their farms the way they thought was best for the co-op and now will lose out, it will not generate more spending of real cash as they have all reached -100% at some point and stored their dec's if forced to revert back to having to run with decs it will be completed slowly without spending gold to speed things up, but the unfairness of it rankles to the point where regardless of our rankings we just won't bother. WE as a co-op decided two weeks ago to stop competing (as many of you will have noticed in the ranking figures) and get back to enjoying playing the game.
We have made a co-operative decision to play on for a while but will only buy gold when we need it to progress our farms rather than to keep our number 1 ranking. WELL DONE GG YOU HAVE SAVED US A FORTUNE
I have new proposal: If the player has completed all building tasks--the decos on main farm storage give happiness.
i wonder how many co ops will no longer do the projects and just use there co ops as a meeting place to chat and farm slowly as they like now this means they wont need to buy gold if this happens.
To keep on topic however, I've decided that I'm going to keep my mass production farm and see how it runs for a week or so after the update. I'll make a final decision then, but by my adding up, and what others are calculating, I'll still be able to make a profit from it, small though it may be. If that's the case, then I'll definitely keep it.
Kat.
Wow, well they're all going to end up with R.S.I. of the eyes after reading these latest several threads on this topic then.
They should have been at work for at least four hours by now - and IIRC the German forum, they complain at least four times as much and with longer words.
Maybe all this is just a ruse.
That's my new theory: because no safety for gold expenditure will be implemented, nor any of the other security or wished-for things, they came up with this, RETRACT it, and we will have been distracted from other bad stuff?
Yes. Stupid negative percentages.
"Your outcome should end up to be a slightly increased happiness instead, which will result in less production costs, probably around -65 to -70%*."
There
You may be a logistician, Mr. Griffith (and just so you know, so was I prior to becoming an Undertaker, working in Inventory Management, et al, for about 20 years) but you certainly can't lay any claim to being a diplomat. I'm dumping my lvl 95 farm as of 30 minutes from now and yes, I will certainly have fun quitting and resuming my Real Life. The 500% change and subsequent loss of already spent real$ in developing my numerous production facilities up to Architect level only to now have to burn some of them down has merely reinforced my need to leave you to your fate. This is merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
A lot of players stated here that they are very, very unhappy with things GGS update and not the ones we all are waiting for. I don't blame them if they leave the game, I also want to leave after I spent a lot of gold etc. I worked very hard to achieve all the things on my farms, but maybe I will let it go down the drain now - I was always eager to get onto the game and enjoy myself, but the last week it is only our coop projects that keeps me going. I do not enjoy this game anymore. It seems to me we are all punished like school children while most of the players are 50+ years old!!
I agree to John2072 for more farming events, not these simple decorations that has nothing to do with a farm.
My husband is a pensioner and gave me money so that I can buy gold to reach the -100% running costs to enable me to save for the huge upgrades (from 6 000 000 to 20 000 000). I hope GGS will reimburse the gold that a lot of players spent on their farms to reach -100% running costs. Otherwise, it was only a waste of money and gold and GGS don't worry at all. Maybe they must start worrying about the many players that want to leave this game.
Just to quickly remind you all that everyone can have their say in here - as in both sides of this debate. Please don't give the other "side" a hard time just because they post their opinion on the forum.
Thanks guys.
Kat.
This question remained unanswered until now, due to all the comments about the happiness formula.
The feedback will actually be placed in several places.
The progress bar that shows up during collection will show a little extension to the bar, there will be additional text on base and extra production in the information window, where you can currently only see the amount you produce at the moment and there will also be a small icon in mill production window, next to the things you can produce, to show that a booster on this type of feed is active.
I already sent in for tickets to have 2 of my farms deleted and my level 105 farm will surely follow. Pointless to continue playing.
What about the blue barns, the two extra levels on fields barns etc., the books from the library and the fertile fields?
Dont think we are stupid Latten.
- all i can see is this is a clear "attack" against non gold players
Free users fight hard to reach -100% of running costs, cause is the only way for them to save more money to buy more land and upgrade buildings...
If you cut that, it will be more hard to make money!
This is for people to spend gold in the boosts, and gold in buying dollars...
And, do not come to me with negative comments, cause i have eyes to see whats going on, and i guess i have the right for my opinion!
It`s not my fault that big farm lately only makes changes for me to comment negatively!
And what about instead of being always making changes to what is done, save your energies to make and create new things and improve the game playing?!
For instance, what about making new challenges like they do in "Empire" (there`s always a new thing, a new challenge to keep people enthusiastic).
Have fun all... I'm out of here. I am so glad I didn't take up the +200% gold offer of two days ago. I would have been very annoyed right now and I know there is no way that GGS would have refunded me the gold upon me quitting the game. Good luck all. This is my final post ever.
You make it sound like they will have to spend thousands of dollars for one production if they go up by a few percent.
Just to clear this up a bit: not getting to -100% does not mean you will have to idle at -10% from now on. You will still have to pay pretty close to nothing if you keep the same happiness value after this update.
People, please go back and read Latten's full response. I'm not trying to quote him out of context to be unfair. I am just trying to highlight the relevant bits.
So if I understand your response correctly, Latten, you are are telling your most clever and committed players that their farm build is invalid because it was unintended, but if GGS increases the penalty for making this invalid choice, it will then give them more choice because it makes an invalid option valid.
Ok, I'll give you that. But let me ask you, is it fair? These people have spent gold, a lot of gold, to make their farms the very best they can be. That is the objective of the game, after all. And not only are are they willing to put in their time and their effort in pursuit of this objective, they are also willing to put in their money! The game does not discourage this in any way. In fact, it does the very opposite and encourages the use of gold in every way imaginable, but especially via the mechanism of Steve the Architect. These players have not broken any rules or contravened any advice. They have embraced the very spirit GGS tries to foster. But at the end of this "rebalancing" they would have lost the benefit of their time and money through no fault of their own.
So you can use all the clever language and convoluted logic you like, but please answer me the question: "Do you think it is fair?" And if not, what can be done about it?
I wish I'd be able to use clever and convoluted language by default!
Alright, I see the discrepancy between those two quotes. It's not invalid to build a farm like that, that could have been worded better. It's just an option we never thought of, and which clashes completely with the intended playstyle (Which is: Build production, deco and homes for your workers, and then go balance everything out).
Now, again I see where you're coming from. In a way, we _are_ punishing some of our most clever and comitted players since they are the ones who actually came up with this. But! If this way of playing the game will be picked up by everyone - which would be the case if we just leave it like that, no doubt - because it's both highly efficient and clearly the "better" choice, if you'd have to choose between the two methods, then what? All of the deco system, the happiness system and even a large portion of worker/residentials mechanics would be basically useless, because there simply wouldn't be any point in thinking about it at all.
Of course those players didn't break rules on purpose, we are completely aware of that. If we wanted to actually "punish" them, we could just have set up a building limit for production buildings, some weird "you have to build more deco" messages, even just banned those players without further explanation (and yes, I have indeed seen that on other online games when players discovered a "exploit", in lack of a better word).
We didn't. Instead we're raising the ingame cost of playing this way, so the whole thing changes from being "a broken rule" to a completely valid playstyle, that comes with a few repercussions as well as with a highly increased production rate and lots of other positives when it comes to missions or projects. We try to make a mechanic that might be called exploitative into a completely fair option. I don't think that's a bad thing.
There is so much things you could do make this a fun and pleasant game for everyone... And, of coarse if people what to buy gold to improve the game playing they will do it!..
There always will be the free users like me (that have the conscience where they can go), and the gold buyers.
But this was suppose to be fun for all of them to play.
And right now Big Farm is becoming not a funny place for me. Like this, no.
And i really use to like this game!
It was my first experience in Multiplayer games and with Good Game Studios.
And everything seemed so perfect... But now with all this...