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Reputation points? Evenly Matched Missions?

I will soon reach level 20 but have a couple of levels left to go and the requirements become more and more arduous. Little blue stars are harder and harder to come by.

Missions are said to be evenly matched. I have watched carefully and competed diligently on the missions I have chosen. I conclude that the other players must have higher upgrades on the equipment they are using. Otherwise, we would at least be neck in neck. I lose reputation points each time and have to wonder "why even set up a feature like this?"? It is hard enough to earn money with this game and missions seem to be one quick way. But they cost these so called reputation points....and there does not seem to be a ready supply of them available.

Do new players reach a competitive level soon or do a lot of new farms die out from lack of income? Not enough support or explanation provided for a complicated game. A rule book and dictionary is needed.
Post edited by MELISSA LINDERA on

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  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 16.10.2013
    Hey Melissa,

    the missions aren't working exactly as they should, sadly. As it works right now, we're basically starting a huge mission for everyone on the server, then parting all participants into groups as follows: First cut depending on accumulated reputation points, then another cut depending on the players' levels.
    So, for example, if 24 players participate in one server-wide mission, there could be one group with reputation 50-100 and levels 10-20, and one with rep 100-200 and level 20-30. 4 Players wouldn't fit into any of these and would make their own group, which would be quite mixed in terms of levels and reputation.

    Now, in reality, those 24 players would actually be more than 25.000 players, and with those higher numbers, more subgroups of different levels and reputation would be created automatically. Since we always try to mix 10 players into one group, and the participating players are far more varied in terms of levels/reputation, the "overflow" players who don't fit into existing groups anymore keeps getting bigger and even more varied, so that the system is no longer able to create well balanced groups of tens.
    This leads to more random groups to fit everyone in, and by that some groups are created where the level and/or reputation comparison seems all over the place.

    I hope I could explain it properly :) Reality is that there are lots and lots of mission groups where you wouldn't notice anything weird, since in general, the system works as it should. It's only if you end up in one of those overflow groups, that the level or reputation points seem unbalanced and unfair (because they kinda are), and there's not that much we can do about it with the current system.

    Alas, there is already a complete overhaul of the missions in the planning, it just might take a while yet to get it done, because it's a massive change, and we have so many things we'd like to fix or change before that. But I hope you guys now better understand why it is how it is.

    Have fun everyone,
    Timo
  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    edited 16.10.2013
    I will soon reach level 20 but have a couple of levels left to go and the requirements become more and more arduous. Little blue stars are harder and harder to come by.

    Missions are said to be evenly matched. I have watched carefully and competed diligently on the missions I have chosen. I conclude that the other players must have higher upgrades on the equipment they are using. Otherwise, we would at least be neck in neck. I lose reputation points each time and have to wonder "why even set up a feature like this?"? It is hard enough to earn money with this game and missions seem to be one quick way. But they cost these so called reputation points....and there does not seem to be a ready supply of them available.

    Do new players reach a competitive level soon or do a lot of new farms die out from lack of income? Not enough support or explanation provided for a complicated game. A rule book and dictionary is needed.

    I would like to reply on these two bolded sentences.

    First of all about the RP. RP are actually nothing else but status symbols. If you want to be a top mission player, you need many of them. If you just play missions for money and XP, then do not bother about them. If they run out, you can still start missions! Missions will also easily be 'unfair' (even though the levels may match in some groups) because people use gold. Or in sell missions they pay money to win. I do not think it is worth it, but some do. There will always be something bothering you if you want to play fair, because others simply want to win. That's why I never do missions, except for the co-op project 'The chicken or the egg?' :)

    The rule book is actually right here under your nose :P The entire forums are the rulebook of this game. You will find many tips and tricks in the equally named forum. If you take the time to read them, it will be much easier to build your farm. In that way it should be easy to reach a nice level soon. What is most important to be successful is decorations. Place as many of them as possible and you will not have a lack of profit very soon. The more decorations, the lower the costs and the more profit you make. Apples are good money factories. Invest in them and make sure you can keep them up and running to gain the most profit. And would you believe that what I just wrote here is just the tip of the iceberg of the huge resource of information that is available in these forums? ;)
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 16.10.2013
    I am very grateful to you all for your detailed answers and hope to put them to use.

    I have one issue with the answer about an organized rule book to help with learning the game process. The forum offers info but it is like looking for the proverbial "needle in a haystack" (chuckle). It would be more helpful to new players who are constantly looking for answers (like me) to have a Big Farm Encyclopaedia with a method of looking up the specific current problem for which an answer is immediately needed. Example: I could find nothing to explain reputation points and their importance...or lack thereof. (thank you for clearing that up) While I have and do read the forum, it is a random collection of information..... hundreds of posts. I looked for days to an answer to my current post.

    Again, thank you so much for your response.
  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    edited 16.10.2013
    I am very grateful to you all for your detailed answers and hope to put them to use.

    I have one issue with the answer about an organized rule book to help with learning the game process. The forum offers info but it is like looking for the proverbial "needle in a haystack" (chuckle). It would be more helpful to new players who are constantly looking for answers (like me) to have a Big Farm Encyclopaedia with a method of looking up the specific current problem for which an answer is immediately needed. Example: I could find nothing to explain reputation points and their importance...or lack thereof. (thank you for clearing that up) While I have and do read the forum, it is a random collection of information..... hundreds of posts. I looked for days to an answer to my current post.

    Again, thank you so much for your response.

    Did I say organized? :P The tips and tricks forum is the most clustered forum to look in first I would say. Also, our website does have a more organized way of information offering, but does not include all issues. It is mostly a source of information about and for co-ops :) We did include a beginners tips and tricks page, which may help, but that one is not exhaustive in information either :)
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 16.10.2013
    I am hoping that with the contest that just ended, maybe most of that department can be sorted through and locked, with search tags properly attached. I agree that finding a relevant information specific issues is a mess, but this thread makes me want to give up entirely.
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 17.10.2013
    BIG FARM has a website with rules and regs? Wonderful! I am looking for it but have not found it yet. What is the URL?
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 17.10.2013
    In the forum using 'search' and then scroll to a relevant topic. The FAQ's section is also full of information--it is all right there and waiting for people to read it. Not sure what Rules and Regulations you are asking for.
    this one is for the forum: http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?40280
    This one is to email GGS staff:
    http://www.goodgamestudios.com/about/contact/
    another one in a condensed list: http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/misc.php?do=showrules
    and i think there is a general forum list of rules that every GGS forum has--AAANDd the terms of use and legal stuff: http://www.goodgamestudios.com/terms-conditions/

    If you have a question--ask it POLITELY and there are several people that would love to point you to a relevant topic. None of us are good at guessing though.

    That was all within about 5 minutes worth of looking, 25 minutes if you include my posted reply
  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    edited 17.10.2013
    BIG FARM has a website with rules and regs? Wonderful! I am looking for it but have not found it yet. What is the URL?

    I was talking about my own co-op website :) The URL is in my signature below.
  • Moonbeam11 (US1)Moonbeam11 (US1) Posts: 38
    edited 18.10.2013
    MELISSA LINDERA, On your farm, on the bottom of your screen, is a trophy button. Click it. Next click the brown question mark on the lower right. Then click the compass to the right of 'see game help for more information'. This brings you to a wonderful glossary chock full of game information. Just click on a category & you will see all sorts of terrific information. Hope this will answer lots of your game questions. The rest you will find by poking around here in the forums and asking questions. Happy Farming :)
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 18.10.2013
    Thanks again to all for your help.
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 18.10.2013
    It would be more helpful to new players who are constantly looking for answers (like me) to have a Big Farm Encyclopaedia with a method of looking up the specific current problem for which an answer is immediately needed. Example: I could find nothing to explain reputation points and their importance...or lack thereof. (thank you for clearing that up) While I have and do read the forum, it is a random collection of information..... hundreds of posts. I looked for days to an answer to my current post.

    We currently don't really have the resources and all, but if players get together to create a cool Big Farm Wiki page, I'd be all for it :)
  • Juk2Juk2 Posts: 16
    edited 18.10.2013
    Latten wrote: »
    We currently don't really have the resources and all, but if players get together to create a cool Big Farm Wiki page, I'd be all for it :)

    This is quite contradictory with earlier messages regarding our website. Those stated you (you being GGS) wanted all farm related information in one central spot, and that spot should be the forums. At that point we ceased most of our activities on the website and Larino focused more on the forum, despite its obvious drawbacks.
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 18.10.2013
    Moonbeam11 wrote: »
    MELISSA LINDERA, On your farm, on the bottom of your screen, is a trophy button. Click it. Next click the brown question mark on the lower right. Then click the compass to the right of 'see game help for more information'. This brings you to a wonderful glossary chock full of game information. Just click on a category & you will see all sorts of terrific information. Hope this will answer lots of your game questions. The rest you will find by poking around here in the forums and asking questions. Happy Farming :)
    Thanks again! I found that ? somehow during my first levels and got some green stars for finding it...at least I think that is what they were for. It gave me some info that I needed. There are several pages of such basic info that I have ferreted out. The Forum, however, is very confusing if you are new to it. Since starting my farm, I have read it daily but much of it does not make sense to me....yet. I really appreciate your personal help. I do think a site with a search box and concise, uniform explanations of the game processes could be helpful and efficient but am content that the forum is mostly the beginning and end-all of Big Farm info. Happy Farming to you, Moonbeam 11! Thanks so much.
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 18.10.2013
    I am experimenting with the forum on this post. I wanted to see what can be done.
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 20.10.2013
    Nope didn't work...
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 20.10.2013
    try it again
    LOL sometimes it works the 2nd time ;)
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 20.10.2013
    I reached level 20 and there is a task that requires the player to earn 50 Reputation Points. Who knew a need for them would come up so fast? In light of my past experience (losing instead of gaining RP's) I am daunted by the prospect of trying to achieve anything in a mission. I have learned that, at this level, most of my fellow players have more ablility to come in first and second than I do. However, as the saying goes, nothing ventured, "nothing gained." Today I will look for a mission that I have the ability to participate in (at my level). Thinking as bravely as possible, I intend to GET THOSE POINTS! Cross you fingers for me. :p
  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    edited 20.10.2013
    If you enter a sell mission on an odd time and with some spare dollars, you could buy and sell the product ;) Do not choose for sell apples, that will be expensive :P Show the other players you are not a threat, by not selling all your produce all the time, but do try to have a full shed before you start. Those are the strategies I use. I'm sure you can get those RPs anyway. Coming in 2nd, 3rd or even 4th will give you some of them already. And with a bit of dollars it is easier to make it ^^

    If I were you, I would avoid corn or wild flower missions. People can use their nursery on them and have huge numbers right at the start. My favourite mission is sell eggs. It can get bad when the top starts buying them, but it can also end very well. Missions that are set over a longer time span are also a bit easier as they tend to be run a bit more fair. You do need persistence and a good farm for those though :) Good luck!!!
  • djgreeneyes (US1)djgreeneyes (US1) Posts: 1,766
    edited 20.10.2013
    Melissa: Hopefully you won't have my experience of being in more than one mission with very high ranking individuals (top ten and top fifty on US1!) and with me at that time ranking 5,500 something. Talk about a slaughter! I've sworn off missions only to discover that some co-op projects require the co-op to earn ribbons! Not something I'm looking forward to, I can tell you that! And I am not alone feeling this way - even in my small co-op.
    Only good thing about this situation, I met a couple of really classy upper-level players - Emrys Bryn and Meme44.
    Good luck!
  • cedie3 (US1)cedie3 (US1) US1 Posts: 183
    edited 20.10.2013
    Melissa--don't worry about the missions right now. Run them when you sleep. You'll be surprised at how well you can do. :)
  • montuosmontuos Posts: 1,275
    edited 21.10.2013
    In light of my past experience (losing instead of gaining RP's) I am daunted by the prospect of trying to achieve anything in a mission. ... Thinking as bravely as possible, I intend to GET THOSE POINTS! Cross you fingers for me. :p

    Fortunately, the tasks to earn RP don't care if you spend them faster than you earn them, and you can still enter missions even if you have lost all your RP. So entering for 10 RP and only bringing home 3 RP is still progress towards your goal. :)
    cedie32 wrote: »
    Melissa--don't worry about the missions right now. Run them when you sleep. You'll be surprised at how well you can do. :)

    LOL! You've recommended that so often that I decided to try it last week selling apples with my "baby" farm and came in first completely accidentally, because it was still going for another 20 minutes when I woke up. Two temporary orchards in addition to my usual three (I've been trying to earn enough to upgrade my farmhouse or buy land if I levelled up first) plus the contents of my barns, and the active players never knew what hit them... I would have been perfectly happy tying for third place with the other sleepers if I'd slept as late as I usually do, honest! ;D
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 22.10.2013
    I just want to wrap up this thread with this report. I just came in first on a mission! What a fluke! Hey you novices, there is hope for us all! Don't get too discouraged in the beginning. If I can get first place, anyone can.

    The mission was one of those where you begin chicken feed productions. I won by one point. Congratulations to all the other players. I can't find the two who came in second and third listed in the rankings. Tried entering your ID in the search box but it can't find you.

    I would love to know how you did some of the moves you made....not that I expect you to share your secrets with me. No harm in asking I hope. Maybe I will play a mission with you again soon.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 22.10.2013
    2nd Biggest grin from me the whole day!

    Congratulations!
  • MELISSA LINDERAMELISSA LINDERA Posts: 14
    edited 22.10.2013
    I was checking for the post above...the one I just made and it was not on the thread......but there it is now. So I have (hopefully) removed the duplicate. ;-)

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