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Update Mar 11th - Still waiting for Easter - Discussion

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  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 07.03.2013
    gr8 update :):):)
  • Mitsumi2Mitsumi2 Posts: 132
    edited 07.03.2013
    Sounds good!! ^^

    "New Cooperative members now can't donate or participate in research for a short period of time. This was addes because a few Coops made a hobby out of getting new, clueless players to spend all their gold for research or donations, and kick them immediately afterwards. Guys, that's not cool!" - I can't believe someone would do that!X(
  • RosaRot (INT1)RosaRot (INT1) Posts: 17
    edited 07.03.2013
    Hm - not sure that's the right way around - probably rather make them unkickable for a certain time after their first donation / researcher.

    Will there be any information on how long that time is they can't donate? Is a quite important information in a way for any co-op lead to do the planning for upcoming researches.

    And I'll love the zoom!!!! Remember there's been a thread in the early days of the forum :) Good things take their time ;)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 07.03.2013
    - New Zoom level: You wished for it, you got it! Zooming further out is now possible, also the zoom level will be saved properly if you switch farms
    That's my favourite bit of the new update
    New Cooperative members now can't donate or participate in research for a short period of time. This was addes because a few Coops made a hobby out of getting new, clueless players to spend all their gold for research or donations, and kick them immediately afterwards. Guys, that's not cool!
    Oh Wow. I'm speechless. People can live with themselves afterwards?
  • Mitsumi2Mitsumi2 Posts: 132
    edited 07.03.2013
    Yay rhon! Exactly my point!
  • Arunas.narusevi (LT1)Arunas.narusevi (LT1) LT1 Posts: 3
    edited 07.03.2013
    kodel neimanoma pasukti aiksteles fermos sonu dabar istrizai ekrana stovi.ir isigyjant auksa nera pasirinkimo koki paketa noriu ir negaunu bonusu pirkdamas



    Post edited by Kat Nip: Please post in English
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 08.03.2013
    We're also still working on the next additional farm for higher levels...

    Seriously? A third farm?
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.03.2013
    Seriously? A third farm?
    If you check the map it looks like there may be a fourth too. One looks like a florists, as the symbol is a flower. But the other may be a workshop, or maybe lumber?
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 08.03.2013
    Maybe a clothes shop, made from animal's hide.
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 08.03.2013
    Now Cooperative members now can't donate or participate in research for a short period of time. This was added because a few Coops made a hobby out of getting new, clueless players to spend all their gold for research or donations, and kick them immediately afterwards. Guys, that's not cool!

    Actually, either side can be stung.

    1) Members are enticed into a co-op, their collectibles and cash are extracted, and then they are unfairly kicked out.

    2) Members join a co-op and then do nothing, taking all the benefits of the co-op, but contributing nothing.

    The current implementation of a certain amount of time before a contribution can take place will not stop abuse 1 taking place, just take a little longer and frustrate the good co-ops who are not abusing the system.

    If, on the other hand, it is swapped to stop members being kicked out for a certain amount of time, this could encourage abuse 2. Members know they can't be kicked off so just sit back.

    I suggest a formula tied in with contribution and ability to kick off.

    When a member joins a co-op, they can be kicked off at any time if they have contributed nothing.

    Once they start contributing however, they can not be kicked off for an amount of time based on a formula to what they have contributed, perhaps on a percentage of overall contribution from members over a period of time, say a week, or it could be an absolute eg: each 10,000 cash or 50 gold buys you a day you cannot be kicked off; a fair formula would have to be nutted out.
  • NEIL57 (GB1)NEIL57 (GB1) Posts: 202
    edited 08.03.2013
    people who join a co-op and do nothing, including not even being online should be booted. I do it after a week, unless they let me know about their absence.
    A dollar amount could be hard for new people to contribute. If a newbie into a co-op cannot contribute for a "given" time then this drags the co-op backwards, this compounds the current complaints from members about sharing the load in their co-ops.
    I think that the easiest way to deal with the "shameless" is to name them so people will avoid these co-ops and avoid this sought of problem.
  • FarmerTess (AU1)FarmerTess (AU1) Posts: 2,393
    edited 08.03.2013
    Great update.

    Shame on the coops who did that to newbies after they spent their gold. NAME AND SHAME I say
  • Mitsumi2Mitsumi2 Posts: 132
    edited 08.03.2013
    ooooh the third farm sounds nice!
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 08.03.2013
    I like the update about the co-ops because it happened to me:):):):):)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.03.2013
    Maybe a clothes shop, made from animal's hide.
    The symbol is a saw, so I doubt it will be a clothes shop of any kind.
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 08.03.2013
    Maybe but we will not know until Monday :):):):)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.03.2013
    And the other's symbol is a flower - so a Florists?

    Can't wait, whatever we get, but I don't think the third farm is coming in Monday's update
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 08.03.2013
    NEIL572 wrote: »
    people who join a co-op and do nothing, including not even being online should be booted. I do it after a week, unless they let me know about their absence.
    A dollar amount could be hard for new people to contribute. If a newbie into a co-op cannot contribute for a "given" time then this drags the co-op backwards, this compounds the current complaints from members about sharing the load in their co-ops.
    I think that the easiest way to deal with the "shameless" is to name them so people will avoid these co-ops and avoid this sought of problem.

    That's why I disagree with the implementation of this to "fix" the problem. Delays in contributions from new members will simply frustrate honest co-ops. They still haven't defined "short period of time"; however, I see from the latest post on the update that this feature is being delayed for now. Perhaps they are reconsidering it. Let's hope so.

    New idea: No members can just be kicked off. Rather a period of grace is given to all members since they were last involved with co-op activity. This would be based on their current level. The lower the level, the longer the period of grace. This idea would affect all members, not just new ones.

    Off the top of my head, divide the level number into 50. This is the number of days a member cannot be kicked off since last activity.

    egs: a level 10 member would always have 5 days of grace since last activity, a level 25 would have 2, a level 30 would have 1 days 16 hours.

    The co-op leader would see a countdown expiry time for each member. Those that have not exceeded their grace time can not be kicked off period. They are free to resign however.

    NB: Activity would only be registered when the member clicks the co-op button within multiplayer. If they simply come online to play the game but ignore their co-op, it won't extend the grace period.
  • BabyRooBoo2BabyRooBoo2 Posts: 83
    edited 09.03.2013
    I too disagree with the co-op change. If a new member joins, we need them to participate because our activities help them. I have had a number of peole join up that I then have to kick off because they do nothing for the team.

    It appears that members are unable to donate gold if they are below Level 30. This is not right. If the game caps how much a member can donate based upon level, that would really help to share the load.

    What we need are members who can and will participate. As for teams that are behaving so poorly, have any of the moderators contacted them? Why can't they be the ones to receive restrictions? Do all the other co-ops really need to pay the price of others?

    These are matters that should be handled privately. While name and shame sounds like a good idea, both sides should be communicated with to determine the issue. The co-op should be shut down and the co-op leader should be restricted or frozen for a period of time.
  • kerppu kerttukerppu kerttu Posts: 17
    edited 09.03.2013
    If there is going to be a new farm again, could we please have much more information about it before we buy it, or have it. I have a gourmet farm, butt it was a big surprise that everything in there takes so much money to buy and upgrade. My money is gone. So please no more so big surprises. Please much more information about all we can have in the new farm or do in there before we have it. PLEASE
  • kerppu kerttukerppu kerttu Posts: 17
    edited 09.03.2013
    Now my gourmet farm has a 100% happiness and no cost at all. Butt it took a lot of money. And it takes a long long time before i have my money back from there. And i dont have money to buy land in main farm at next level.
  • edited 09.03.2013
    If there is to be a new farm, I hope we are going to be able to build (or destroy) one new building (or clear land) on each of the three farms at the same time. The current limitation of only one build, etc. on one farm and none on the other farm at the same time is restrictive to progress in the extreme.
  • kerppu kerttukerppu kerttu Posts: 17
    edited 09.03.2013
    I hope that too. It takes too long time to build or destroy something in farms, if we cannot do it same time in all farms
  • TopherII (US1)TopherII (US1) Posts: 47
    edited 09.03.2013
    Two things-

    A) For those that were kicked after donating, my sincerest condolences, that is disrespectful and just immoral. I find it interesting that there has been no mention of this within the threads. I read quite a few threads and have seen things mentioned time and time again with no response from anyone with authority stating they are going to fix the problem or to say we will continue in this manner so deal with it. So I find it suspicious that this is the issue they are dealing with and in such a drastic way. Seems to me this will push members to pay gold to keep their solidarity points moving forward in the ranks. Also more gold spending for research since some research projects need all members even new ones to be conducted. I love this game and I play every day, I even do not mind the charity event and other features designed to make money for the programmers and such. But, I do find this tactic of blaming players for them to find another way to make money rather insulting to be honest. Though, I am just one player and of no concern to them, so yet again, it will go with no answer or solution. So I will answer myself-deal with it.

    B) It would be very nice if we could build one thing on each farm at the same time.

    Thanks for listening,

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  • flower farmer4flower farmer4 Posts: 39
    edited 10.03.2013
    hi how did you achieve 100% happiness ? please share thanks
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 10.03.2013
    Flower farmer, you need to build a lot of decorations.

    Topherll, I'd just like to point out that just because the English forum hasn't had many posts from players where they've been treated appallingly by cooperatives doesn't mean that it's not the truth. There are quite a few forums in different languages where such posts could very likely exist and it's very possible that the issue has been raised with Support also. Many members don't have anything to do with the forums, but will take the problems directly to Support. Support will pass on anything like this to those that need to know.

    Both scenario's are very legitimate and completely bypass the English forum.

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • TopherII (US1)TopherII (US1) Posts: 47
    edited 10.03.2013
    Thank you Katnip, I had not thought of other language forums. I will try to be less "paranoid" based on your reply. I really do understand the need for a game like this to earn money and in no way begrudge them for any of this. I think i am just frustrated that if there are people doing such things, that they are allowed to continue playing while those that have not taken advantage of others have to suffer the consequences. And I must stress, that for those taken advantage of that they have my sympathy and I hope that they will find a co-op that they enjoy playing this game with as I have had the opportunity to do.

    Thanks for listening,

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  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 10.03.2013
    For what it's worth, I really do think GGS is trying preventative measures with this rather than fixing it after the event when you have someone who is out a lot of farm dollars and gold and no chance of them getting it back. That's just my opinion however - I haven't spoken to any GGS staff about this. :)

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  • kerppu kerttukerppu kerttu Posts: 17
    edited 10.03.2013
    100% happiness is possible, if you have a lot of decorations like KatNip said. I had a garden butt i destroyed it. It takes so much money to plant anything. Now i have 2 almonds and 2 goats. And also (what is that word?) that building where you can make everything from milk. 6 houses, 1 level2 and free workers. And everything is free.
    I putt all my money to have all land that is possible and decorations as much as i could fit in there.
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 10.03.2013
    well, in my opinion if you get the boot from a co-op you can reclaim all of your donations (money and/or gold) instead of them being long lost :):):):):)
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