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  • The Best King (INT1)The Best King (INT1) INT1 Posts: 637
    edited 02.07.2020
    @The Best King (INT1)  I did give constructive advice ages ago and no response.  I said that the defense power needed to be reduced. Low horses now are impossible to beat even for a strong horse like mine only winning 5% of the time, with fully equipped as much as  I can, I even took screen shot of a horse almost 100 levels below mine, NEVER been in meadow ( I asked the player who belonged to horse), compared to my horse with over 250 successful breeding.  .  So how can low level horse ever win, or why would the even want to try at the set up like it is now.

    If you READ my last sentence it states, This has to be fixed or destroy the horse ranch in total

    BTW I have the 4th strongest horse on AU server so I know what I am doing when it comes to horses.  Also ALL my trees are level 2 except 1 that is level 3.  I know what I am talking about, also note how many horse on AU server have made it to Diamond with very little time to go.




    Now, while i do NOT wish to get into an argument here (after all, life's too short for that), i must point out a few things.

    First things first, i must say that it might hint at your knowledge, but personally i think the breeding lvl of anyone's horse and and/or it's breeding effects does not in any way directly reflect the amount of knowledge you may or may not possess.

    Now, as i did read in your 2nd last post, you said it had to be fixed or destroyed.

    As i already said, destroying is not an option and i don't think your idea of "fixing" would do any good really.

    Like, maybe you do forget, but everyone get's challenged, even if they change it so you 50% more of your attacks, but you'll lose 50% more of your defenses.

    Anyway, i think the way it is actually makes sure that it's not too easy for everyone to get into diamond league.

    And my final 2 points:

    1. Even with the old ranch, if you had a lvl 200 horse and you challenge a lvl 20 horse, there'd still be a chance of you losing, nothing is guaranteed.

    2. I can't speak for anyone else per say but personally i find it very, very hard to believe that you ended up in diamond league with over 2K of points (with 7 days left) while only winning 5% of your challenges (which you always use full equipment for).

    So, maybe if you have a list of all challenges won and lost in the season, with equipment used and with screenshots to back it all up, and with a more compelling reason and way to "fix" the ranch, i might be tempted to believe in your side of the argument.

    Though, at this point, i must say i think i'm just hearing someone  who complaining about it being... too hard?

    No-one ever said it was going to be easy, why do you think it's called diamond league ;D 
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  • iron maiden (INT1)iron maiden (INT1) INT1 Posts: 240
    As I see it, it's as if they had introduced "home field advantage" which exists in many sports. Imagine that when you challenge another horse you are going to their ranch and competing on a track that they know well. Inevitably, they are more likely to win but, when they challenge you, they are on your home track and you are more likely to win. Yes, it has become harder to win; yes we will all finish lower than we did previously; but it is still possible to get into Diamond.  The definition of "a good horse" has changed; I've had to do some swift retraining, the necessary information is in the Horse Guide posted here on forum when the ranch changed. I was lucky, my horse did not have equal quantities of Racing, Dressage and Jumping, I am willing to lose 90% of the time if I can still get the GMLs but that's just me.

    The we need to have that home field advantage also,or am i missing something.??? Don,t mind it become harder when you have reasenable results. But they are not there,when i equip my horse and race to a horse from a player that has no equipment making facility,s, how is it possible that i keep on losing from that horse?? Does that make up for the 58 diferences in level between his horse and home advance and my horse?? And where is my home advance because i cannot win from that horse or i challenge,home field advantage for me or beeing challenged,home field advantage for the other horse 58 levels lower without breeding effects. Is that altering or falsificate a match or not??? THAT COMPETITION IS FAKE AS A $3.95 NOTE.  And don,t come with difficult calculations , talk in normal people lenguage
  • amber3 (INT1)amber3 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 398
    edited 01.07.2020
    my horse is not the best of INT sever. i used  to get easily in platinum bur right i find hard even to stay in gold after years of breeding training  and sending my horse in meadow. some say low horses have still a chance to win against you, but i find that this has become a normality.o loose constantly non matter the equipments i add and of the level of my opponent. there is no logic  in loosing against a horse 100 lvl under you .it may happens ONCE IN A WHILE but not constantly.,its like taking normal people from the street and make them race against Usain Bolt,teoriclly yes there is a chance practiclly normal people aint win even of Bolt takes a coffee break during the race.agree with what @Dark Underworld (AU1) said. fix it or destroy it
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  • Uncle John (GB1)Uncle John (GB1) GB1 Posts: 8,344
    @iron maiden (INT1)
    We have "Home field advantage" when we are challenged. We see the results of these challenges on our notice boards and almost all I see on there are "victories". Horses 40 levels above me lose (most of the time), I am invincible (nearly).  :¬) 

       
  • muggle1 (GB1)muggle1 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 111
    @iron maiden (INT1)
    We have "Home field advantage" when we are challenged. We see the results of these challenges on our notice boards and almost all I see on there are "victories". Horses 40 levels above me lose (most of the time), I am invincible (nearly).  :¬) 
    I do better when challenged than I do challenging too, and my horse seems to automatically have 3 equipments when challenged, which is nice!  So now I am challenging less, it is the only way I go up the table!
    muggle1 @ en 1
  • ijrosh (US1)ijrosh (US1) US1 Posts: 1,305
    so the last 4 years i have spent on the horses is a free ride? i got to platinum every time for over the last 2 years.now not even coming close. no thankyou. i have no intention of trying to redo and yes actually redo work to get back to the same point i was before you changed it. let alone use gold to get there. especially now that i am losing out on 2k gold each time. so i am not going to spend way more then that trying to get back to getting that. it is just not worth it any more. this game is really starting to be a huge waste of money. and this is coming from someone that was spending 100 to 200 dollars a month every month not counting subs. the time spent at the casino or the extra food i have been buying me and the family has been way more satisfying lately. especially less aggravating and causing way less anxiety.
    ijrosh @ us 1
  • no one is asking for a free lunch.  Getting into the diamond league isn't easy, but was a long term goal for many of us.  And many of us found the horse ranch to be fun, which it no longer is.  There are so many hard challenges across the game, it would have been nice if they left a few events that were relaxing, relatively easy, and fun.  We need a break from all these high-pressure aspects of the game which the former horse rance provided. I really wish they had left it alone. (And please get rid of the freaking flags, or let production be started by the players, and not be automatic.)

    You're not the only one i think, for me, i had to create a whole new horse from practically scratch for this new horse ranch.

    As i already said, i don't even see the benefit changing it because even if we win a lot more attacks, we'll lose a lot more defenses.


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  • @iron maiden (INT1)
    We have "Home field advantage" when we are challenged. We see the results of these challenges on our notice boards and almost all I see on there are "victories". Horses 40 levels above me lose (most of the time), I am invincible (nearly).  :¬) 

    Exactly!


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  • The Best King (INT1)The Best King (INT1) INT1 Posts: 637
    edited 02.07.2020
    As I see it, it's as if they had introduced "home field advantage" which exists in many sports. Imagine that when you challenge another horse you are going to their ranch and competing on a track that they know well. Inevitably, they are more likely to win but, when they challenge you, they are on your home track and you are more likely to win. Yes, it has become harder to win; yes we will all finish lower than we did previously; but it is still possible to get into Diamond.  The definition of "a good horse" has changed; I've had to do some swift retraining, the necessary information is in the Horse Guide posted here on forum when the ranch changed. I was lucky, my horse did not have equal quantities of Racing, Dressage and Jumping, I am willing to lose 90% of the time if I can still get the GMLs but that's just me.

    The we need to have that home field advantage also,or am i missing something.??? Don,t mind it become harder when you have reasenable results. But they are not there,when i equip my horse and race to a horse from a player that has no equipment making facility,s, how is it possible that i keep on losing from that horse?? Does that make up for the 58 diferences in level between his horse and home advance and my horse?? And where is my home advance because i cannot win from that horse or i challenge,home field advantage for me or beeing challenged,home field advantage for the other horse 58 levels lower without breeding effects. Is that altering or falsificate a match or not??? THAT COMPETITION IS FAKE AS A $3.95 NOTE.  And don,t come with difficult calculations , talk in normal people lenguage
    It seems you really like your fake notes.

    When you say "how is it possible that i keep on losing from that horse", i'm wondering how many times you've challenged that horse specifically and out of that, how many times you've lost.

    Also i must wonder what type of equipment you have and the cooperative and breeding effects.

    And i must remind you that even with the old ranch, we could still lose in both defense and offense against a horse that is lower level than us.

    And, of course, i am also inquisitive about your opponents cooperative and breeding effects.



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  • @Dark Underworld (AU1)
    Sorry for posting so many times in a row but i got kinda bored and decided to do a few quick calculations.

    So, counting that you (dark underworld) is at 2100 points (for ease of calculations) you would need to win 525 times to get that score.

    Counting that you would buy both the +8 and the +16 fuel 3 times every day and have the +1 and +2 fuel-per-hour running from beginning to the end of the horse season, and of course the 1 hour fuel counter never stops running - basically you never let the fuel number reach 100 except when the horse season first starts, the max amount of fuel you can have throughout the whole season is about 23K.

    So, since it takes 12 fuel or each race, that means you can do a max of about 1916 races in a season.

    That means that your minimum ratio for winning should be at least 1 win per 3.65 races.

    Of course, this is not counting the amount of points you must lose from defense losses and the probably hundreds of thousands of gold you'd have to spend to get that amount of fuel and that's not counting the 50 wins needed to get into diamond but my point is that there is no way your horse can have a 5% win ratio.

    Please bear in mind that that's counting that the horse season lasts 2 months and you still have almost a week left of it that i have counted as if you will gain only 31 more points.

    In note, these numbers are not counting the fuel that you might get from winning while equipping racing caps and the fuel you get from the league hard work rewards but given the numbers, i think we can all agree that it doesn't really matter considering that to keep your claim of a 5% win ratio, you'd have to have access to 126000 fuel over the course of the horse season.





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  • amber3 (INT1)amber3 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 398
    edited 02.07.2020
    @The Best King (INT1)
    ill find more helpfull if you make some counts and write down a guide about horses instead of making the others counts.many are complaining with a good reason i guess.
                             
  • When in platinum 1 you have to win 50 races to get to Diamond. Until you win those 50 you get stuck on 1249 points then you get 4 points for the 50th win and move to 1253 points and move to diamond league. It clearly states that you get 4 points per win ... technically should have more points than 1253 when enter diamond league
  • The Best King (INT1)The Best King (INT1) INT1 Posts: 637
    edited 02.07.2020
    When in platinum 1 you have to win 50 races to get to Diamond. Until you win those 50 you get stuck on 1249 points then you get 4 points for the 50th win and move to 1253 points and move to diamond league. It clearly states that you get 4 points per win ... technically should have more points than 1253 when enter diamond league
    Yeah, maybe make it so that your score can keep progressing even when your stuck and then once you have 50 wins you can go into diamond.

    @The Best King (INT1)
    ill find more helpfull if you make some counts and write down a guide about horses instead of making the others counts.many are complaining with a good reason i guess.

    Hmm, i must say, kinda hard to argue with the logic, still, it's a lot easier to sniper other's complaints than create a solution.

    I'll see what i can do, please keep in mind i'm kinda lazy when it comes to stuff i don't need to do and will probably add about 0 value to me, still...


    Either way, i'm still very interested to read what Dark Underworld has to say for his 5% :D


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  • amber3 (INT1)amber3 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 398
    When in platinum 1 you have to win 50 races to get to Diamond. Until you win those 50 you get stuck on 1249 points then you get 4 points for the 50th win and move to 1253 points and move to diamond league. It clearly states that you get 4 points per win ... technically should have more points than 1253 when enter diamond league
    Yeah, maybe make it so that your score can keep progressing even when your stuck and then once you have 50 wins you can go into diamond.

    @The Best King (INT1)
    ill find more helpfull if you make some counts and write down a guide about horses instead of making the others counts.many are complaining with a good reason i guess.

    Hmm, i must say, kinda hard to argue with the logic, still, it's a lot easier to sniper other's complaints than create a solution.

    I'll see what i can do, please keep in mind i'm kinda lazy when it comes to stuff i don't need to do and will probably add about 0 value to me, still...
    ill look forward to your work. pretty sure will be a good one.
                             
  • When you make platinum 1 it is minimum 1230 pts. Win 50 races with no losses = 200pts. 1230 + 200 = 1430pts yet enter diamond at 1253pts. Will be interesting to see what support says.
  • Dark Underworld (AU1)Dark Underworld (AU1) AU1 Posts: 2,711
    edited 02.07.2020
    @The Best King (INT1) At start of season, when most horses challenge level was very low I was winning almost EVERY race, using max amount of helmets to get max extra fuel, plus the fuel you get a rewards on the way + extra fuel per hour + 3 cans of fuel for $$.  In less than 2 weeks  I was already in diamond, then most horses had their challenge level increasing to 10, (I was lucky I got to diamond before most horses challenge level got too high), then %age chance drop to very very very few wins.  I was so confident I was going to lose to a horse almost 100 level below me I even took screen shots.  most of my points came in a very short period of time, this is why I know next time I will not even make platinum (if I make platinum, not a chance in hell for diamond), as almost EVERY horse now has level 10 challenge level  so making it almost impossible to beat them.  I don't know what the challenge level on your server is like for horses, but ours all bar a few top horses are level 10

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  • When in platinum 1 you have to win 50 races to get to Diamond. Until you win those 50 you get stuck on 1249 points then you get 4 points for the 50th win and move to 1253 points and move to diamond league. It clearly states that you get 4 points per win ... technically should have more points than 1253 when enter diamond league
    Yeah, maybe make it so that your score can keep progressing even when your stuck and then once you have 50 wins you can go into diamond.

    @The Best King (INT1)
    ill find more helpfull if you make some counts and write down a guide about horses instead of making the others counts.many are complaining with a good reason i guess.

    Hmm, i must say, kinda hard to argue with the logic, still, it's a lot easier to sniper other's complaints than create a solution.

    I'll see what i can do, please keep in mind i'm kinda lazy when it comes to stuff i don't need to do and will probably add about 0 value to me, still...
    ill look forward to your work. pretty sure will be a good one.
    Lol, thanks :)

    When you make platinum 1 it is minimum 1230 pts. Win 50 races with no losses = 200pts. 1230 + 200 = 1430pts yet enter diamond at 1253pts. Will be interesting to see what support says.

    Yeah.

    @The Best King (INT1) At start of season, when most horses challenge level was very low I was winning almost EVERY race, using max amount of helmets to get max extra fuel, plus the fuel you get a rewards on the way + extra fuel per hour + 3 cans of fuel for $$.  In less than 2 weeks  I was already in diamond, then most horses had their challenge level increasing to 10, (I was lucky I got to diamond before most horses challenge level got too high), then %age chance drop to very very very few wins.  I was so confident I was going to lose to a horse almost 100 level below me I even took screen shots.  most of my points came in a very short period of time, this is why I know next time I will not even make platinum (if I make platinum, not a chance in hell for diamond), as almost EVERY horse now has level 10 challenge level  so making it almost impossible to beat them.  I don't know what the challenge level on your server is like for horses, but ours all bar a few top horses are level 10



    Ahh, i see, well, i still don't really see the problem, maybe you should focus on getting a better competitor level yourself :)

    I'll be waiting to hear your results for the next horse season...


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  • The Best King (INT1)The Best King (INT1) INT1 Posts: 637
    edited 05.07.2020
    Part of the problem is that we now get to watch all of our lovely losses (at least 6 out of every 8 we challenge, usually all 8 are losses - gee what fun), any wins we get are IF someone else decides to challenge our horse.
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    It makes me sad to see that so many of my members just have given up on the racing as it isn't fun any more.
    It will get better, as they realize what players want.


    True, but at the same time, their is a part of the horse ranch that can be made a lot easier by figuring out how it works, nice signature by the way :D


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  • GrammaLeah (US1)GrammaLeah (US1) US1 Posts: 510
    Thank you,  The Best King (INT1) .
    I wanted something positive as my signature just now.
    : )
  • Uncle John (GB1)Uncle John (GB1) GB1 Posts: 8,344
    edited 08.07.2020
    ljr (NL1) said:
     Also if you look at the results in one race on the same obstacle, high and unexplainable differences can be monitored.

    I'm not seeing this. My horse may Balk or Rush or be Normal, that is random, but the times for each of those don't change unless I use Equipment.

       
  • ljr (NL1)ljr (NL1) NL1 Posts: 43
    ljr (NL1) said:
     Also if you look at the results in one race on the same obstacle, high and unexplainable differences can be monitored.

    I'm not seeing this. My horse may Balk or Rush or be Normal, that is random, but the times for each of those don't change unless I use Equipment.

    As you can see below, three identical obstacles, and relative big variation in passing speed, due to a non-influencable factor: the probability to pass this obstacle percentage (Sorry, literally translation, don't know how this is called in english)
  • Uncle John (GB1)Uncle John (GB1) GB1 Posts: 8,344
    I understand :¬)  It was the word "unexplainable" that mis-led me.
    The  probability to pass this obstacle percentage is influencable though. Increase the horses Effects and the rushing % increases whilst the balking % drops.  (normal always stays at 28%)

       
  • ljr (NL1)ljr (NL1) NL1 Posts: 43
    I understand :¬)  It was the word "unexplainable" that mis-led me.
    The  probability to pass this obstacle percentage is influencable though. Increase the horses Effects and the rushing % increases whilst the balking % drops.  (normal always stays at 28%)

    I was referrring to the variation within a single race.
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