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  • I play in Byron's league (not his co-op!), and have come to trust his opinion over 2 years of play! You may not agree with it, but what Byron says is what he believes! These temp farms have always been a money pit, and it seems they have deepened! I note that GGS are much more aggressive with their advertising/sales pitches now! Each to their own! :))
  • Uncle John (GB1)Uncle John (GB1) Posts: 8,049GB1
    @PCA (GB1)  @Byron Longford (AU1)
    I have to admit that I have not yet re-done my calculation of how many dollars each runestone costs me.
    Going as far as task 2.3 it used to be 1:1 and the further I went the more expensive they worked out at. But, since the DSF, I have been earning dollars faster than I can spend them so I am now looking at the temp farms as a way of buying for dollars, things that are otherwise only available for gold.

        A deputy with   Funtastic-Farms on GB1
  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) Posts: 827GB1


    @PCA (GB1)  @Byron Longford (AU1)
    I have to admit that I have not yet re-done my calculation of how many dollars each runestone costs me.

    .......But, since the DSF, I have been earning dollars faster than I can spend them so I am now looking at the temp farms as a way of buying for dollars, things that are otherwise only available for gold.

    Then @Uncle John (GB1)  what you are saying is that you don't care that with this change you can buy (investing the same amount of farm dollars) 10 times less of whatever you were buying before the change ?

    This is what you haven't calculated, the number of runestones  you can earn is that much lower, 10% of what if used to be




  • Rocky123 (IN1)Rocky123 (IN1) Posts: 619IN1
    edited 19.10.2019
    PCA (GB1) said:
    I am in love with this new temp farm.

    ......Now i can make the 4th product cozy viking coat 5/6 times a day whereas earlier i used to make the third product only thrice a day. 


     
    @Rocky123 (IN1)

    Interesting !!!   Would you care to explain  how you can produce the viking coats 5/6 times a day given that each production cycle requires 5 hours 20 minutes ? 

    And also why would you do all that if then when you sell all what you produced in 1 day will yield an income that is so much lower than you used to earn with a single run of the workshop ?

    A quick calculation:

    Old event: 
    1 run (8 hours) 120 coats, each sold at 12200 runestones.  Total = 1.464.000 runestones

    New event:
    1 run (5 hr 20 minute) 120 coats, each sold at 1200 runestones. Total =  144.000 runestones

    A 10 fold lower income against the ability to complete 4 runs instead of 3 assuming you stick around the farm day and night.

    Take into account how much material you need to produce those coats and you will see you are better off producing flax and tunics, or even disregarding this ridiculous set up completely




    It takes only 4 hours at max level .Also u get more dung and orchard products as their times have been reduced. So, its still a better way than producing flax or tunics which i used to do when i was at lower levels. U get 3 times more peacocks,tree groves,dung,etc than earlier in the same time now but yes they were compensated by ridiculous loss of value for products.

    Yes, i checked and found better ways to earn runestones , deleting my posts . I agree that setup is quite painful to play with and produces less. 

    PS : 
    I am now playing with only seal ponds lol. I am better off doing that and getting good amount of runestones(5M+ a day) by buying seal feed , need to only login thrice a day .
    http://prntscr.com/plhejd

    Thankfully my friend Mohiuddin(IN1) let me know about this lol before i started to play with that.



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  • BigSparty (US1)BigSparty (US1) Posts: 157US1
    edited 20.10.2019
    event ruined

    unless you sub and throw gold at it, pretty pointless

    who ever did the rebalancing is brain dead from a player point of view - 1440 tankards at 60 per round lmaooooooooooooo

    dude whoever you are, go play the game and get all those tankards and see how much fun it was for you
    LOL I hear ya, i have been making tankards for 2 days now and hope that maybe tomorrow on day three at some point I Might finish them!  I like trying the temp farms. but in my opinion the candy farm is the worse.  Talk about boring on so many levels.  I may not bother with it in the future. 

    I successfully finished the tropical island and got all three sand castles and didn't need to spend a bunch of gold doing it.  Next time i'll do it just for the shells.

    This is my second time with the viking farm and i find it interesting that some tasks in the first chapter required less goods but so far the second chapter requires so much more and produces so slowly that it is becoming tedious.  The tankards are tanking everything!
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) Posts: 2,147US1
    Is GGS going to respond at all?

    Is a fix coming?
    gavinfarms @ us 1
  • WascallyWabbitWascallyWabbit Posts: 5,777Moderator, ModGreen
    edited 22.10.2019
    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for the feedback as always, which we will be passing on. Some of it has already been discussed among the mods, as there are similar claims from other communities.


    However, in the meantime, there is also another side, claiming that it is actually playable & not as bad as it 1st appears to be. One of the Russian mods, who plays & completes every Temp farm, has posted  some helpful info HERE  

    Translated using Google:
    The mill is level 4, without books, round, for 3 hours makes 110 feed. This is enough to feed 3 penguins without a break and there will still be food.
    The Viking Farm can be played without decor. Production costs are very small, even with a big minus of happiness. We build houses and upgrade our penguins to level 4.
    3 penguins will produce 5400 manure in 3 hours.
    5400 manure = 270 fertilizers in 4.5 hours in a level 4 silo.
    In order to produce a fur coat (production time is 4 hours at a workshop of level 4) we need to run a sheep of 4 levels (40 fertilizers - 4 hours growth) 1 time, 2 times a berry of 1 piece (40 fertilizers (20 + 20) - 4 hours, a total growth of two launch), 2 spruce groves level 4  (40 fertilizers for 2 starts) = 120 fertilizers.
    If you produce a tree without a break, this is + 40 fertilizers (if we have 2 groves). Then fertilizer consumption in 4 hours = 160 fertilizers. 
    270 - 160 = 110 fertilizer is a plus. A difference in fertilizer production of 30 minutes will not affect anything, production will overlap.
    Flax is easily produced with special seeds that cost a penny.
    Any other, more modest production is considered on the same principle.


    She also says that the 4th penguin is only for a side task, but not needed for the chapters & she removes the seals after their task...

    For a full game, WITHOUT BOOKS, we need:
    Level 4 Mill
    Level 4 workshop
    Bank - 7 levels
    Silo Tower Level 4
    1 sheep lvl4
    1 berry lvl 4
    2 spruce groves lvl 4
    + -3 fields 4 levels
    3 penguins 4 levels (or more if there are books)
    I hope I haven’t forgotten anything. This will allow you to continuously collect fur coats. as soon as we build it all

    Obviously everyone has their own way of playing, but if you are struggling, there may be some help there. If you have any questions for Bethany, please do not post them on the Russian forum (unless you speak Russian), you can ask them here in English. :)

    Is GGS going to respond at all?

    Is a fix coming?
    @gavinfarms (US1) We get asked for player feedback on new stuff, after it has had time to run for a bit & any changes normally come with the next run.  We do not usually get them while the event is still running, unless its a unplayable, as we all know what a mess that can make :/



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  • Corvid (GB1)Corvid (GB1) Posts: 625GB1
    edited 22.10.2019
    this is not a criticism of the post above and im sure it's of help to some but it kind of makes my point

    you need to be at the comp 'all the time' pretty much

    you are using runes to be able to complete the tasks as outlined there (SS etc, which are deductions to your overall haul of runes at the end of the event - which i'd suggest that is the main reason most players do the event) - whereas before you didnt need to use runes, the temp farms, while very expensive, were viewed as a dollars for runes exchange

    and on that subject im interested to see what my overall rune haul will be compared to what it usually is - im expecting it to be so small it's pretty much pointless doing the event but that remains to be seen

    as an aside - the fact the event is watered down from a view of value to a player, i've just realised the decos have lower happiness than before. I wouldn't use any (or only the last one) anyway but surely the fact GGS nerfed the decos shows even they realise their tampering has devalued the event

    and that's how the event comes across to me overall - NERFED

    what is the main reason the most regular players of the temp farms did them? of those i know, to build up a large haul of runes to convert those to useful items - ie seaweed or WoF tokens, in short a conversion of farm dollars into those items. In a way it's 'free stuff' as i call it and it's been a blatant policy for changes over the last year or so (not sure of exact timing) for GGS to remove or water down 'free stuff' (eg GML's in hwe and so on) which is well documented on the forum - the movitve obviously being to 'encourage' players to use gold for the valuable items in the game and not get them for 'free' and this version of viking farm falls in line with that approach in spades

  • Exxy (INT1)Exxy (INT1) Posts: 1,146INT1
    edited 22.10.2019
    Well, the strategies are different now :)

    I'm thinking about trying a whole seal strategy :disappointed:

    Since feed is easy, you can buy it directly , and still do 26k runestone profit every 2 hour :)

    Currently doing the chapters ( as they are much easier than before )

    But will adapt , Seals running for 2 hours, are quite nice :disappointed:

    I'm gonna look into handbooks whenever we get a sale !! <3


  • Corvid (GB1)Corvid (GB1) Posts: 625GB1
    Well, the strategies are different now :)

    I'm thinking about trying a whole seal strategy :disappointed:

    Since feed is easy, you can buy it directly , and still do 26k runestone profit every 2 hour :)

    Currently doing the chapters ( as they are much easier than before )

    But will adapt , Seals running for 2 hours, are quite nice :disappointed:

    I'm gonna look into handbooks whenever we get a sale !! <3


    am i missing something here? my seals take 8 hours not two

  • Exxy (INT1)Exxy (INT1) Posts: 1,146INT1
    edited 22.10.2019
    Ha ha, I was completely off ;o

    its still 8 hours

    Guess i got distracted by the easiness of running seals ;p

    Penguins definetely runs faster than they used to! ;p
  • Rocky123 (IN1)Rocky123 (IN1) Posts: 619IN1
    Well, the strategies are different now :)

    I'm thinking about trying a whole seal strategy :disappointed:

    Since feed is easy, you can buy it directly , and still do 26k runestone profit every 2 hour :)

    Currently doing the chapters ( as they are much easier than before )

    But will adapt , Seals running for 2 hours, are quite nice :disappointed:

    I'm gonna look into handbooks whenever we get a sale !! <3


    Exactly the perfect strategy for now :) . Built 18 seals(and levelled them up) and feeding them nonstop . Making a good amount of runestones from it. Not even bothered about doing chapters/building anything else.



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  • jitu7 (IN1)jitu7 (IN1) Posts: 885IN1
    By the way I thought GGS is working on removing pranks from the game. 
    But the new VF rewards are giving new pranks.
    Seeing this one for the first time:

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    Thanks to @farmerjohn 22 (US1)  for this awesome signature :)
  • BigSparty (US1)BigSparty (US1) Posts: 157US1
    Nice!  I see nothing wrong with pranks and think they give the game another twist.
  • WascallyWabbitWascallyWabbit Posts: 5,777Moderator, ModGreen
    The Lonely Farm (CZ1) said:
    If you count the runestone-value of all the material needed for one coat production, you'll find out, that it is even MORE WORTH than the result of the coat production. If you would sell the material directly for the runestones, you'll get 147.600 runestones. For the 120 coats you'll get 144.000 runestones. Thats simply less. Who would produce a coat now? Just a fool...
    @The Lonely Farm (CZ1)  This has been reported & is already being looked at by the balancer.

    By the way I thought GGS is working on removing pranks from the game. 
    But the new VF rewards are giving new pranks.
    Seeing this one for the first time:

    @jitu7 (IN1) Thankyou, this has been reported already & there was a different one on a favorite offer that has been reported too.


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  • BigSparty (US1)BigSparty (US1) Posts: 157US1
    You have obviously not seen the destruction and harassment some have endured at the hand of mean spirited players.
    There's all kinds out there.  Some use pranks to win and others use gold to win.  The end result is the same.  As far as I am concerned the pranks help level the playing field when low level players are paired up against people with fully developed and fully upgraded farms.

    To think that people at level 80 can compete fairly against those in levels 300 and 400 is ridiculous.
  • BigSparty (US1)BigSparty (US1) Posts: 157US1
    The Lonely Farm (CZ1) said:
    If you count the runestone-value of all the material needed for one coat production, you'll find out, that it is even MORE WORTH than the result of the coat production. If you would sell the material directly for the runestones, you'll get 147.600 runestones. For the 120 coats you'll get 144.000 runestones. Thats simply less. Who would produce a coat now? Just a fool...
    @The Lonely Farm (CZ1)  This has been reported & is already being looked at by the balancer.

    By the way I thought GGS is working on removing pranks from the game. 
    But the new VF rewards are giving new pranks.
    Seeing this one for the first time:

    @jitu7 (IN1) Thankyou, this has been reported already & there was a different one on a favorite offer that has been reported too.

    The pranks are mean spirited, and "leveling the playing field" by using them is frowned upon by many coops. Our coop doesn't allow using them. The game is hard enough with bugs and unfairness every where you turn ... we don't need more.
    Then do away with kites giving extra rep points, boosters and gold since some people live on fixed incomes and place people in events based on levels so that new people are not up against long time players.  Make the game more equitable for everyone.  To keep so many things that favor only some and not all is unfair.
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