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  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 19.11.2018
    I've heard from reputable sources there's at least one farm out there with 60.  And I don't doubt it a bit. There are some players with mighty deep pockets. :)

    Yes ? What about them ?  Are they the perfect subjects to be robbed in your opinion ? 

    Are they not entitled to spend as they wish ? Are they not entitled to a refund when something goes wrong and it's not their fault  but the company's fault ?

      


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  • PCA (GB1) said:

    ..... Another good option is to give every player the option of keeping the kite, having the WWC tokens refunded, or getting the highest amount of GOLD that could have been used to buy the kite.


    Your suggestion is the easiest and most honest way, let the players choose: either to keep the kite or get the WWC coins back 

    GGS doesn't see this as honest it sees it as a disadvantage for the company because every player who gets back 13000 coins for each of their kites will have coins to use for other useful items, these players will not farm / push with gold, purchase resources etc as they would if they didn't have those coins

    Therefore GGS has been thinking long and hard to find a way to turn their own mistake to their advantage: what is the most advantageous solution for GGS ?  To take from their players of course, let the players start all over, this will be good for our earnings .....

    Its the same all over, nothing new, now its the kites, yesterday the gold and fuku coins, etc etc.

     
      



    At least they didn't decide that all farms over level 1 had an unfair advantage.


  • @307Hal (US1) @Sheila NOLA Gal (US1)  What would you suggest?

    In fairness to the current team, they did not create the problem, the error occurred when the kites were 1st introduced, it beats me how no one realised, at that time, what a disaster it would be to have no limit on them, but it happened & of course many players bought many kites before the obvious was noticed and they had to removed from sale until a solution could be found. Even as players who did buy several kites, I am sure that you can appreciate there is no simple solution to the problem, at least not one that is going to make everyone happy.

    If everyone had only 4 or 5 kites like you guys, it wouldn`t be such a problem, but there are players with huge numbers of them, I heard one person has about 30, so clearly they could not just change it for the future & leave the existing ones as they are, because that would be very unfair on those who did not buy them & now couldn`t.  Maybe you can think of a better way to resolve it & come up with something that the team did not consider already.

    @307Hal (US1) @forest333888 (INT1) Please could you post on this thread -  New Big Farm Forums: All your questions here - exactly what process you have to go through to login to the forum, step by step, so that we can try to figure out what is happening to you.
    So nobody realized it that when you buy more kite,s the more Rp Points you get and the competition gets unstable. 

    I try to give you a clear and easy example how the human brain works Wascally.

    I have a bus company with 1 bus.Each bus can transport 50 persons. 
    When i buy a second bus i can transport 100% more passengers etc etc etc. Meanwhile i still need only 1 person on the office to do the work.
    That is simple  More kites more Rp Points. 
    Now you come up with the same Yes and No story as with that old style fishing. We were earning tomuch farmdollars. But GGS or any moderator was complaining that players bought enormous amounts of money to skip the upgrade time for the Trawlers. To earn more farmdollars to expand the farm faster. 
    Then GGS came up with a fix that would made the fishing MORE EXCITING and at the end we would not loose any income. Well that is a lie. And now you do the same with the kites but in a way multiplied by 100. Selling the kites for less extra Rp Points and every next kite would give a increase of 1% more Rp points.
    Do you realy think in Hamburg on the office that you have invented the boiling water??? When there is 1 player with 40 kites,nice for that player. But when you like to fix it good then i have 1 small tip for GGS and it is for free. So no gold needed to pay for my tip.

    Give all the players the amount of kites untill EVERY player has 40 kites on his farm. Play 1 C-C WHITOUT the posibility to use ANY GOLD. Then after that C-C take 35 kites away from each farm. The the balance is even again. And all the player can make 1 time a huge amount of Rp Points.
  • then after the C-C all the players can decide or they like to buy the kites or not. Lets say in 1 month time. 
    In my coop the big farmers play without booster or kites and have their 1.75 / 2 million Rp Points everytime at a C-C. 
    But they are not goldthrowers and bragging rights are not important for them
  • CM_HunterCM_Hunter Posts: 448
    There was NO issue with the kites until YOU decided it would be a brilliant idea to take them away.
    That's when it became an "unfair" issue.
    It became an unfair issue when we received a huge amount of complaints from players. We did not take this step on a whim but on the basis of feedback from players. You had a kite or 5, so of course you had the benefit and no reason to complain. Those who did not have multiple kites though were at a significant disadvantage. This is mathematically true, regardless of what decisions we made to deal with the issue. If you have 5 kites and I have none, you have a 250% advantage over me, the way we choose to deal with that does not change the fact that it is very unfair. Not only that, there are some players who were able to gain dozens and more of these flags. The issue we need to solve is a global one, affecting more than just those who bought the flag. The kites have been problematic since they entered the game, and I understand you may not be happy with the solution at the moment but it doesn't change the fact that the item in its current state is causing a lot of unbalance and unrest within the CC and this cannot continue.

    PCA (GB1) said:
    ...those players who had 30 - 50 kites (for the sake of argument I will believe you when you say they actually exist, but I have my doubts)...
    We specifically pulled data on who has kites and how many. There are some people with a large amount. This may not be the case on all servers and you may not have seen a specific player with those amounts but I have seen the data and the farms, there is no benefit to me by exaggerating the issue.

    At least they didn't decide that all farms over level 1 had an unfair advantage.
    Farms having a level doesn't upset the balance of the game, having up to thousands of percent of advantage over others in an event is a different matter entirely.

    To be clear for everyone, adding this item to the game in its original state, with no limits, was an error we should never have made. Since the item was added it has caused issues in the CC for many players, then it was removed from sale to lessen this impact, but it should never have entered the game with no limits and we are now in a situation where something has to be done. We felt the solution we had come up with was a pretty fair one and allows you all to have a boost in the event while also allowing others to gain that same boost. While some may feel it is not fair for them for any changes to be made, it must be remembered that the issue affects more than only those who currently own kites, it's a global problem that affects everyone and needs to be solved.

    Having said that, I can also see the backlash from you guys here on the EN forums as well as others. As a result we'll certainly be taking those points to the team and discussing them to see what we can do to address those concerns you all have raised. This is why we release statements like we did early, to give us some time to get some thoughts and opinions from the people who matter most, you all. Now that we have that we can take it to the team and talk together about our options. Thanks all, you rock! Now keep rollin'!

  • I have no kites, so this is of no personal interest to my farm, however...........

    I do love this game and enjoy playing it the way it's presented and as a fun game on the internet. It's unfortunate that many seem to take it for more than just a fun game on the internet. That's all it is tho at the end of the day, needing to realize that any REAL money you spend on this game is gone once you submit that gold buy on your credit card. 

    It seems to me there was a large mistake made in how these kites were first introduced and there really is no way to correct the problem now without a group of people on one side of the issue or another being very upset. I can fully get the ones upset with another case of a large amount of REAL money being taken from them, i have been in that  position and it really bites. 

    So a possible suggestion of correction is to do just that, make correcting it about the money. It can't be that hard to put an approximate value on amount of gold it took to obtain a kite if just spun that wof to get the needed coins. In my math research on that it maybe around 200,000 gold per kite. But maybe a different number is more correct. But again, i'm sure there is a number of gold that is reasonably correct, so decide that number.

    Then once that number is obtained just do the math. For example if 200,000 is correct per kite and say a player had obtained 5 kites, that equates to 1,000,000 gold. Then credit that players personal account with 1,000,000 gold and make the kites disappear. Do that for every kite that is in the game, then just eliminate the kites entirely

    That way a player with kite(s) has been reasonably reimbursed for the REAL money value they invested and will have a good sum of gold to play in the game in however they wish. This still probly leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who loose their kites and how this has been mismanaged, but they will have their REAL money.

    Hopefully GGS has learned to maybe do better and more thorough research on new products going forward to minimize the chances of this situation from repeating. So that it can keep this game more on the basis of it just being a fun game on the internet and not taking it so seriously...........this really is just a game folks!!!

    Thats my two cents worth on this, hope i don't hurt anyones feelings. Just want it to be a fun game is all.

    Rick
    Very well though out and said..I agree 100%!!!
  • CM_HunterCM_Hunter Posts: 448
    @Sheila NOLA Gal (US1), it's impossible for me to answer every single question players have, but especially so when my last statement was one that acknowledged the negative feedback and stated I would talk to team. I have said a couple things on the topic already but I feel I have a pretty good grasp on the complaints, here and in the other forums too, and I would like to take those to the team and discuss them first before I provide a bunch of false our outdated information.For now, I have been reading through the posts we have here and on other forums and have raised the topic. Tomorrow I will hopefully be able to get more details and insights from the team and then I will certainly come back to you all if there are further developments or updates. There is no perfect solution for this issue, no matter what happens someone ends up losing out on something and all I would like to say for now is that the team and I are sorry that this was added to the game as it was and that that decision all that time ago has led to the situation we now have on our hands.

  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    I need more false statements 
    Come on say something that will make camouflage :/  used to hide what they are dking
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,470


    If I buy a 72" color tv - I don't expect the retailer to come into my home 15 months later, replace it with a 13" black and white tv, and not give me back a substantial amount of my money.


    Exactly. 
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  • The proposal is theft nothing more nothing less,  If you want to down grade the kites refund the players who currently have kites and let them decide if the downgraded kites are worth buying (or not).  How you thought any player would be happy with the kites they brought in good faith being worth 1/2 the value it was when brought (or naff all for the subsequent ones), I have no idea.  Though this just underlines that you don't actually give a monkeys about your paying customers.
  • SuzyQ22 (US1)SuzyQ22 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,472
    Whatever happened to the good ole' "work hard and win" when it comes to playing games?  All these workarounds people pay for to get the most of the most so others are out of the game at the get go.  Anyway, I see this as a huge "Black Eye" for GGS.  I don't have a kite, can't afford a kite and couldn't really care about getting one.  But I do see both sides of the issue here.   I want to see true competition.  Build a farm and play hard to see where you get.  That is true competition in my mind.  Suzy!


  • Sheila NOLA Gal (US1)Sheila NOLA Gal (US1) US1 Posts: 138
    edited 20.11.2018
    CM_Hunter said:
    There was NO issue with the kites until YOU decided it would be a brilliant idea to take them away.
    That's when it became an "unfair" issue.
    It became an unfair issue when we received a huge amount of complaints from players. 
    @BrownieGirl (US1) There are no new owners, I just meant that team members come & go & the particular ones that added the kites, with no limit on them, are no longer around for us to ask "what were you thinking??"  It was soon apparent that the bonuses would get out of control & cause a problem, but I am not aware of that being anything to do with players complaining, I don`t recall seeing any complaints on this forum.

    I'm with Wascally on this one - not seen a single complaint here - must be on other forums?
  • TMKC (IN1)TMKC (IN1) IN1 Posts: 939
    It's like paying for a Ferrari and getting Prius delivered on your doorstep.

    A rough calculation I did .... It costed me 650000 gold to purchase 1 kite approximately.

    I say, 1 million gold per kite as a compensation sounds a fair deal.

    Assuming, GGS won't refund our money back.

    I liked this game, thought I will play it for 5-6 years in a slow paced manner. I would have spent much much more than I already did. 

    But after this fiasco, and gumball machine too ... I am not spending even a single cent. Perhaps will stop even logging in after some time.

    I have mostly all level 7 HB, will that be taken away too ? 

    Maybe my Lester's stash will be downgraded as well ...

    Compensate everyone who has kites already and then re-introduce the kites again. 


  • TMKC (IN1)TMKC (IN1) IN1 Posts: 939
    CM_Hunter said:
    @Sheila NOLA Gal (US1), it's impossible for me to answer every single question players have, but especially so when my last statement was one that acknowledged the negative feedback and stated I would talk to team. I have said a couple things on the topic already but I feel I have a pretty good grasp on the complaints, here and in the other forums too, and I would like to take those to the team and discuss them first before I provide a bunch of false our outdated information.For now, I have been reading through the posts we have here and on other forums and have raised the topic. Tomorrow I will hopefully be able to get more details and insights from the team and then I will certainly come back to you all if there are further developments or updates. There is no perfect solution for this issue, no matter what happens someone ends up losing out on something and all I would like to say for now is that the team and I are sorry that this was added to the game as it was and that that decision all that time ago has led to the situation we now have on our hands.
    The only someone who is going to lose out something is GGS. And this time they will loose their paying customers.
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