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Here's someone with 20.
I've heard from reputable sources there's at least one farm out there with 60. And I don't doubt it a bit. There are some players with mighty deep pockets.
Yes ? What about them ? Are they the perfect subjects to be robbed in your opinion ?
Are they not entitled to spend as they wish ? Are they not entitled to a refund when something goes wrong and it's not their fault but the company's fault ?
"As there must be some value to that advantage for a year/15 months."
I AM NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THIS ONE!
Put the kite back out in it's original form & that will make it exactly fair. Put a limit on the number of them but, don't GGS dare take away from what i already PAID for!!
Too bad, So sad for GGS..not hurting them anyway..get real.
Time to stop funding this joke anyway..grrrr
Your suggestion is the easiest and most honest way, let the players choose: either to keep the kite or get the WWC coins back
GGS doesn't see this as honest it sees it as a disadvantage for the company because every player who gets back 13000 coins for each of their kites will have coins to use for other useful items, these players will not farm / push with gold, purchase resources etc as they would if they didn't have those coins
Therefore GGS has been thinking long and hard to find a way to turn their own mistake to their advantage: what is the most advantageous solution for GGS ? To take from their players of course, let the players start all over, this will be good for our earnings .....
Its the same all over, nothing new, now its the kites, yesterday the gold and fuku coins, etc etc.
I do love this game and enjoy playing it the way it's presented and as a fun game on the internet. It's unfortunate that many seem to take it for more than just a fun game on the internet. That's all it is tho at the end of the day, needing to realize that any REAL money you spend on this game is gone once you submit that gold buy on your credit card.
It seems to me there was a large mistake made in how these kites were first introduced and there really is no way to correct the problem now without a group of people on one side of the issue or another being very upset. I can fully get the ones upset with another case of a large amount of REAL money being taken from them, i have been in that position and it really bites.
So a possible suggestion of correction is to do just that, make correcting it about the money. It can't be that hard to put an approximate value on amount of gold it took to obtain a kite if just spun that wof to get the needed coins. In my math research on that it maybe around 200,000 gold per kite. But maybe a different number is more correct. But again, i'm sure there is a number of gold that is reasonably correct, so decide that number.
Then once that number is obtained just do the math. For example if 200,000 is correct per kite and say a player had obtained 5 kites, that equates to 1,000,000 gold. Then credit that players personal account with 1,000,000 gold and make the kites disappear. Do that for every kite that is in the game, then just eliminate the kites entirely
That way a player with kite(s) has been reasonably reimbursed for the REAL money value they invested and will have a good sum of gold to play in the game in however they wish. This still probly leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who loose their kites and how this has been mismanaged, but they will have their REAL money.
Hopefully GGS has learned to maybe do better and more thorough research on new products going forward to minimize the chances of this situation from repeating. So that it can keep this game more on the basis of it just being a fun game on the internet and not taking it so seriously...........this really is just a game folks!!!
Thats my two cents worth on this, hope i don't hurt anyones feelings. Just want it to be a fun game is all.
Rick
I try to give you a clear and easy example how the human brain works Wascally.
I have a bus company with 1 bus.Each bus can transport 50 persons.
When i buy a second bus i can transport 100% more passengers etc etc etc. Meanwhile i still need only 1 person on the office to do the work.
That is simple More kites more Rp Points.
Now you come up with the same Yes and No story as with that old style fishing. We were earning tomuch farmdollars. But GGS or any moderator was complaining that players bought enormous amounts of money to skip the upgrade time for the Trawlers. To earn more farmdollars to expand the farm faster.
Then GGS came up with a fix that would made the fishing MORE EXCITING and at the end we would not loose any income. Well that is a lie. And now you do the same with the kites but in a way multiplied by 100. Selling the kites for less extra Rp Points and every next kite would give a increase of 1% more Rp points.
Do you realy think in Hamburg on the office that you have invented the boiling water??? When there is 1 player with 40 kites,nice for that player. But when you like to fix it good then i have 1 small tip for GGS and it is for free. So no gold needed to pay for my tip.
Give all the players the amount of kites untill EVERY player has 40 kites on his farm. Play 1 C-C WHITOUT the posibility to use ANY GOLD. Then after that C-C take 35 kites away from each farm. The the balance is even again. And all the player can make 1 time a huge amount of Rp Points.
In my coop the big farmers play without booster or kites and have their 1.75 / 2 million Rp Points everytime at a C-C.
But they are not goldthrowers and bragging rights are not important for them
We specifically pulled data on who has kites and how many. There are some people with a large amount. This may not be the case on all servers and you may not have seen a specific player with those amounts but I have seen the data and the farms, there is no benefit to me by exaggerating the issue.
Farms having a level doesn't upset the balance of the game, having up to thousands of percent of advantage over others in an event is a different matter entirely.
To be clear for everyone, adding this item to the game in its original state, with no limits, was an error we should never have made. Since the item was added it has caused issues in the CC for many players, then it was removed from sale to lessen this impact, but it should never have entered the game with no limits and we are now in a situation where something has to be done. We felt the solution we had come up with was a pretty fair one and allows you all to have a boost in the event while also allowing others to gain that same boost. While some may feel it is not fair for them for any changes to be made, it must be remembered that the issue affects more than only those who currently own kites, it's a global problem that affects everyone and needs to be solved.
Having said that, I can also see the backlash from you guys here on the EN forums as well as others. As a result we'll certainly be taking those points to the team and discussing them to see what we can do to address those concerns you all have raised. This is why we release statements like we did early, to give us some time to get some thoughts and opinions from the people who matter most, you all. Now that we have that we can take it to the team and talk together about our options. Thanks all, you rock! Now keep rollin'!
I SPENT A COUPLE OF THOUSANDS OF US DOLLARS (REAL MONEY ) TO BUY THEM .
I BOUGHT THEM FOR 50% , NOT 1 %
Well, Nice scam GGS.
Anyways, I don't really care ... I left playing this game some time ago.
P.S : @WascallyWabbit .... Stop working as a moderator for this GGS ... It's shameful.
Seriously GGS, you could have just begged for some money, why steal ?
Surely you don't expect us to be 'okay' with making what we thought was a permanent purchase, into a rental for these past months we've had the kites?! No one agreed to spend that amount of money to 'rent' the kites!
And also as surely, you don't expect us to be okay with paying for a 200% boost, but slashing it's value to 28%, without ANY compensation? (Those are my percentages, I do realize many have much more to lose.)
I'm really tired of having to defend what I have in this game.
You introduced the 'Village Fair'. We played it as it was presented to us. Some got extra prizes - That's NOT the players fault - but the decision was made to enter into those players accounts and remove the extra prizes. When we let our displeasure known - we got thrown a shiny, low value balloon. Very insulting.
I stopped buying gold when that happened as I realized, Wow, they'll come in and take things from me anytime they wish.
Next announcement after that was more news of, 'We didn't get all the extra prizes the first time we went into your farms to take them away, so here we come again to remove even more -- Here, have another Panda!'
Patted myself on the back for not buying any more gold when I read that one.
Time passed, I missed buying gold, kept waiting for a sign things were improving for us, and felt that was happening when the correction to the handbooks was made to accommodate the new booster skins.
Yay! Finally some good news! I felt better, started buying gold again, and now - here I see my investment I made in the kites I bought are being taken away too.
Listen, I LOVE this game. I wouldn't be here defending my farms for the umpteenth time if I didn't.
I LOVE buying gold! I LOVE investing in my farms! BUT I'm not so stupid as to continue to buy gold when one of my BIGGEST investments, my kites, are being devalued so severely without any mention of compensation.
30 tropical cows and you have 10, I have a significant advantage.
50 viking duck ponds, and you have 10, I have a significant advantage.
15 level 10 fertile fields, and you have 5, I have a significant advantage.
All level 7 handbooks - and you have none - I have a significant advantage.
This is a competitive game! Battle Farm oops, Big Farm, is designed to sell us things here and there that give us advantages!
What is next that will be taken?
Are all farms going to be 'equalized' so that there are no advantages at all?
Think hard before you come to take anything else.
why not refund the gold (REAL DOLLARS) and remove them from the game completely
the mis mangement of this entire situtation with a bandaid solution will not resolve the issue
GGS really needs to ensure that future adds to the game are "problem" free (wishing) ...
Come on say something that will make camouflage used to hide what they are dking
It should be a fairly straightforward conversation -
Our players don't like when we sell them things for large amounts of gold, and then devalue them substantially.
They expect that when we sell them things, they get to keep them, OR be reimbursed.
If I buy a 72" color tv - I don't expect the retailer to come into my home 15 months later, replace it with a 13" black and white tv, and not give me back a substantial amount of my money.
We don't want coins, tokens, or shiny balloons.
We deserve our gold to spend as we wish since we couldn't keep what we bought with it.
Exactly.
@CM_Hunter
Even if you cannot answer all the questions "angry" players have you can certainly stop evading the crucial ones like how do you intend to address the problems of REFUNDING CUSTOMERS who LEGITIMATELY acquired the kites
Stop beating around the bushes will you ? This is the actual problem you can address, I am afraid there is nothing you can do about the incompetence your company shows in these situations
@CM_Hunter
To start with, it was your (company) mistake to allow to buy unlimited amounts of kites. The whole situation would have never existed if you had capped the number to max 1 or 2 kites, in time every player can have them if they play regularly.
Now your new ingenious plan is not to limit the number, quite the contrary, you are going to offer up-gradable kites: the upgrades will cost lots of WWC coins obviously, more earnings for your company !!! That is the actual motive, and not the feedback from players
What you are trying to do is to wipe out something that has been bought with real money, no refund, and replace it with something else which is even more twisted and unbalancing and will cost players all over again, As always you are presenting the change as something that the company wants to implement to re-balance the game, according to players wishes
Shameless !!!!!
but still, no amount of shouting is going to make ggs change their minds.
Also please don't shoot the messanger, just because @WascallyWabbit and @CM_Hunter had the decency to use their precious time to help out players and keep things controlled in the forum does not mean that everything that ggs does is their fault, okay?
so don't start saying "CM_Hunter it's your company that made the mistake, fix it " because these CM's and mods are just helping us, it's not their fault that ggs is making a crappy game.
I'm with Wascally on this one - not seen a single complaint here - must be on other forums?
A rough calculation I did .... It costed me 650000 gold to purchase 1 kite approximately.
I say, 1 million gold per kite as a compensation sounds a fair deal.
Assuming, GGS won't refund our money back.
I liked this game, thought I will play it for 5-6 years in a slow paced manner. I would have spent much much more than I already did.
But after this fiasco, and gumball machine too ... I am not spending even a single cent. Perhaps will stop even logging in after some time.
I have mostly all level 7 HB, will that be taken away too ?
Maybe my Lester's stash will be downgraded as well ...
Compensate everyone who has kites already and then re-introduce the kites again.
If making the game rebalanced and fair for everyone is your goal, why not limit gold purchase per month for all players. Say , something like 10000 gold max a single player can buy in a month.
Also, while you are at it, why not limit the maximum number of hours a single player can log in per day .. say 8 hours.
You want to rebalance the game ..... Sure
At first moment i saw that you could buy more kites with al 50% on rep points i knew that this would unbalance the game. I cant belief that GGS didnt know this, But well they did more things that is unbelievable stupid. In a company whit so many clients who spend real money on there products i would think it is normal to spend more thinking in introducing someting. Someone made a big mistake (or what i think someone wanted to make easy real money for the company) and you simple can not turn this now on your clients,
with that said i really see that there is a big issue in the fault GGS made. But pleas repair it fair. In mine opinion the fair solution is mak the kites 25% and make a maximum of 4 kites (100%). Then everyone who have more kites must be able to sell them back for the same WCC coins as the bought them or let us say 100.000 gold. Remmeber its GGS fault so some proper compensation must be given.
Still the people who bought the kite maybe not get back al they spend but they already have a year a considerable adventage. so i think mine suggestion is a fair one for everyone.
a kite for 1% is redicules.