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Mismatched Missions - Unfair?

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  • Kimmiecat (NL1)Kimmiecat (NL1) NL1 Posts: 995
    edited 22.01.2018
    I am currently in a mission with a lvl 11 player who has 2078 RP. 
    I am lvl 292 with 4394230 RP. I m sorry for this player.
    I thought there was some logic in matching players. GGS : do something about this!!!



    Even worse : I tried giving a booster in the form of an animal brush.....I cannot do this because the level of the player is too low. Ridiculous.
  • I am now a level 18 and when I do the mission I usually come in 4th thru 6th because of the level mismatch.  My RP is almost 20,000.
  • Tinzen (SKN1)Tinzen (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 473
    There are ENDLESS posts about this....Cant there be put a stop for that? Please mods?

    Said repetally: Its not about winning the mission, its about doing the best as u can. u wont get as many rps by playing only with ur own levels. (in a very short version).
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    I am currently in a mission with a lvl 11 player who has 2078 RP. 
    I am lvl 292 with 4394230 RP. I m sorry for this player.
    I thought there was some logic in matching players. GGS : do something about this!!!



    Even worse : I tried giving a booster in the form of an animal brush.....I cannot do this because the level of the player is too low. Ridiculous.
    I know how you feel.  And I know how that other player feels.  We all do.  Sadly, I don't see the game changing in any meaningful way.  The best we all can do is just get through the mission and hope the odds are better in the next one.  With CCs running non stop, there's always another mission to do! :)
  • qewt (US1)qewt (US1) US1 Posts: 161
    edited 23.01.2018
    Missions are a TEAM EFFORT!

    It is a GOOD THING to be placed with very high levels when you are a low level!

    YES A GOOD THING! YOu get MORE POINTS by playing with high levels and LOSING than you would by playing with people your own level and WINNING.

    as a high level player you HELPED that level 11 gain more rep points by producing a lot of product in that mission!

    the only person who does not gain by your actions is the person in the very last spot.

    edit: Team Effort: the more products that EVERYONE in the mission makes, total, the more rep points everyone in the mission gets. pure, plain, and simple.

    Missions ARE NOT A COMPETITION, you are not hurting people by doing better than them! you are HELPING them! You are on the SAME SIDE, the SAME TEAM.
    Post edited by qewt (US1) on
  • Surya54 (INT1)Surya54 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 507
    Pay attention that you can get more RP as long as you didn't place last among other active player(s), even if you become underdog, someone with 'suprise' attack ability overwhelming you, or anything else. I wonder if unused certificate can be traded for championship coins though.. (Sorry off topic)
  • Tinzen (SKN1)Tinzen (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 473
    Marowit said:
    Hello,

    We try to always have a mission full of players, but sometimes there aren't enough players within your level range that start a mission at the same time as you do so we keep increasing the levels we look for opponents until we manage to fill in the mission.

    This is done so that you have to wait as little as possible to get in a mission and have as many players as possible to compete with as this provides the most points.

    So even if you are playing against level 200 players and end up in the last position you will get more points than if you would be alone, or against just one other player and being in 1st place.

    It looks unfair at a first glance but in the end you receiving more points for taking part in the mission.

    In addition the missions matchmaking isn't linked to you level, it is linked to your performance in previous missions, so if you keep having a good performance you will end up being matched against better players.

    A level 60 player could defeat a level 200 player if the types of buildings are in favor of the low level player.

    @everyone Look here.......Then u can all it mischated or unfair, but its a very good explation. And now....Can we rest it here?
  • Kimmiecat (NL1)Kimmiecat (NL1) NL1 Posts: 995
    There are ENDLESS posts about this....Cant there be put a stop for that? Please mods?

    Said repetally: Its not about winning the mission, its about doing the best as u can. u wont get as many rps by playing only with ur own levels. (in a very short version).
    It is about winning missions or at least as much as possible, since there now are CC's almost every other week. And you would want to help your coop achieve as many as possible rewards. The lower the coop sinks, the lousier the rewards are. 
    Almost everything has turned into a competition and although it is said you do not need to compete in everything, every player would like to be rewarded for their efforts.
    And if playing with your own level players in a mission, gets you less points even if you end up winning, than that is all the more reason for changing the setup of the missions.
    And assigning missions so you wouldn't have to wait too long.....seems nonsense with so many players participating because of the CC's.

    By the way : who appointed you to decide when a discussion should be closed?
  • Tinzen (SKN1)Tinzen (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 473
    There are ENDLESS posts about this....Cant there be put a stop for that? Please mods?

    Said repetally: Its not about winning the mission, its about doing the best as u can. u wont get as many rps by playing only with ur own levels. (in a very short version).
    It is about winning missions or at least as much as possible, since there now are CC's almost every other week. And you would want to help your coop achieve as many as possible rewards. The lower the coop sinks, the lousier the rewards are. 
    Almost everything has turned into a competition and although it is said you do not need to compete in everything, every player would like to be rewarded for their efforts.
    And if playing with your own level players in a mission, gets you less points even if you end up winning, than that is all the more reason for changing the setup of the missions.
    And assigning missions so you wouldn't have to wait too long.....seems nonsense with so many players participating because of the CC's.

    By the way : who appointed you to decide when a discussion should be closed?

    As stated many, many, many times, it not about winning, or I have badly misstodstod something as it also have been stating many, many, many times....

    And when something is being disuced over and over and over, wouldnt u be tired og giving the same answers ALL THE TIME? So at some point of time it is needed to cut it.

    Just image, a yes/no discussion for 10 years - would that be fun?
  • Kimmiecat (NL1)Kimmiecat (NL1) NL1 Posts: 995
    @Tinzen (SKN1)  Maybe the discussion started 10 years ago, but that was before the CC (and all other competitions) and before the WCC, where winning missions is also required if you want to get any decent rewards.
    The mission dynamics were changed in the past and maybe they need changing again.
    You are not obliged to read this topic and/or react to it. This forum is our only way to communicate with GGS, so that is what I am doing.

  • Tinzen (SKN1)Tinzen (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 473
    You are not obliged to read this topic and/or react to it. This forum is our only way to communicate with GGS, so that is what I am doing.

    I didnt knew that u had the right to decide who to post either.....So we are even there....I read and react what what I read and react - regretless what u think its right or wrong of me.....If u dont like that, then u will have to find a way to ban me from the forum AND upset my coop at.
  • edited 23.01.2018
    @Kimmiecat (NL1) @Tinzen (SKN1) You are actually both correct. In general missions are about RP and certificates & lower level players are far better off playing against high scorers, than they would be by playing against their peers (provided they do not come in last place) but it is human nature to want to come first & newer players sometimes take a while to realise that having a % of a large pie is better than having all of a small pie. They were also not here when matching by player level or matching by ability were tried, leading to endless solo missions & even more complaints about unfairness, so the current system does appear to be the best one so far. Having said that,  Kimmie is right that the WWC has made a slight difference, since you do need to win to get points for that, but I am not sure that we should change the whole mission system again just for that, maybe they should change the WWC points instead.
  • Uncle John (GB1)Uncle John (GB1) GB1 Posts: 11,004
     maybe they should change the WWC points instead.
    now that is a cracking suggestion. Wabbit is Wonderful  :¬))
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    edited 24.01.2018
    There are ENDLESS posts about this....Cant there be put a stop for that? Please mods?

    Said repetally: Its not about winning the mission, its about doing the best as u can. u wont get as many rps by playing only with ur own levels. (in a very short version).
    It is about winning missions or at least as much as possible, since there now are CC's almost every other week. And you would want to help your coop achieve as many as possible rewards. The lower the coop sinks, the lousier the rewards are. 
    Almost everything has turned into a competition and although it is said you do not need to compete in everything, every player would like to be rewarded for their efforts.
    And if playing with your own level players in a mission, gets you less points even if you end up winning, than that is all the more reason for changing the setup of the missions.
    And assigning missions so you wouldn't have to wait too long.....seems nonsense with so many players participating because of the CC's.

    By the way : who appointed you to decide when a discussion should be closed?

    As stated many, many, many times, it not about winning, or I have badly misstodstod something as it also have been stating many, many, many times....

    And when something is being disuced over and over and over, wouldnt u be tired og giving the same answers ALL THE TIME? So at some point of time it is needed to cut it.

    Just image, a yes/no discussion for 10 years - would that be fun?
    It's not an old topic to someone who just posted about it, or to newbies.  Do what the rest of us do and just walk on by.  If it's old news to you, or doesn't interest you, then just move on to something else.  There's enough new stuff here every day to satisfy you, I'd think, without getting upset every time someone posts something not to our liking.
  • can someone tell me why the missions are so lop sided, for instance, I am only a level 28 and have to go up against level 172 and 156 in the same mission, how the hell do they think anyone can beat these top players and why are they pitted against us small fry, ? 
    hope someone in the managements can shed light on their reasoning for this crappy set up.
  • can someone tell me why the missions are so lop sided, for instance, I am only a level 28 and have to go up against level 172 and 156 in the same mission, how the hell do they think anyone can beat these top players and why are they pitted against us small fry, ? 
    hope someone in the managements can shed light on their reasoning for this crappy set up.
    @tugvalley (GB1) While it might appear to be unfair & the chances of the low level player actually winning is slight, whether or not you a mission is not the important thing, they are about winning certificates & RP and you win more of those by playing against high scoring opponents, than you would by playing against people the same level as you.

    See here
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    edited 28.03.2018
    can someone tell me why the missions are so lop sided, for instance, I am only a level 28 and have to go up against level 172 and 156 in the same mission, how the hell do they think anyone can beat these top players and why are they pitted against us small fry, ? 
    hope someone in the managements can shed light on their reasoning for this crappy set up.
    @tugvalley (GB1) While it might appear to be unfair & the chances of the low level player actually winning is slight, whether or not you a mission is not the important thing, they are about winning certificates & RP and you win more of those by playing against high scoring opponents, than you would by playing against people the same level as you.

    See here
    I am really sorry but people need to quit sugar-coating this garbage excuse for the mismatched missions.
    As per the post from the link of the excuses given for mismatched missions ..... my input in bold....

    "So even if you are playing against level 200 players and end up in the last position you will get more points than if you would be alone, or against just one other player and being in 1st place."  I do agree you will get more points (to some extent) for being in a mission with more players vs solo missions or against only one other player. However, you certainly would get more points for coming in 1st place and would have a better chance at coming in 1st place with players more equivalent to your own level. 

    It looks unfair at a first glance but in the end you receiving more points for taking part in the mission.  Yes, more points in relation to being in a solo mission BUT if GGS did run the CC so often players would not be so burnt out and there would be more players to play against. So it is not just unfair at first glance, it IS unfair on 2nd and 3rd glance as well. 

    In addition the missions matchmaking isn't linked to you level, it is linked to your performance in previous missions, so if you keep having a good performance you will end up being matched against better players.  So basically if you try hard to win you get screwed because you get bumped up and will continually need to perform that well in order to ever be able to win again at least until you are a much higher level and are able to buy more land and more buildings (stables/fields & higher level mill). 

    A level 60 player could defeat a level 200 player if the types of buildings are in favor of the low level player.  What??????  This is absolutely ridiculous!  First of all, there are XP requirements not only on upgrading buildings but there is also XP requirements on buying land to put those buildings.  I really would like to know how a level 60 player can have any type of advantage what-so-ever against a level 200 player???? (Unless of course they are using gold, but I am trying to leave that out of the equation because it is obvious that is the ONLY way lower level players could possibly win against high level players, REALISTICALLY speaking).

    Conclusion: 
    So all in all, YES, you do earn more points within a group of players VS playing a solo mission, however, lower level players are at an extreme disadvantage when grouped with higher level players and do get far less points overall. So players should be grouped in equivalent levels and if a players DOES get a solo mission they should get just as many points for what they have collected as they would if they were with a group of players. It is not the players fault that GGS is burning players out on missions by running the CCs so often and therefore should not be penalized for it.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    It wouldn't help much, but it would help some if missions were played within leagues. Yes, there would be a lot of solo missions, and yes, we'd be seeing the same people over and over (with fewer people playing, that's happening anyway). and yes, there will be sandbagging, but it might change things a little.

    Our coop doesn't emphasize CCs, so we don't play for rankings -- just certs and rewards (although that's changed significantly with this CC's offerings), so my style of play is a little different. Play the mission, get credit, and move on regardless of score. I do find I do get more RPs when a heavy hitter drops a huge amount, have to say.

    When push comes to shove, though, the reason it's not more evenly matched is simple -- not enough are taking part.
  • I noticed in the last 3 missions I did that there were big players that immediately shelved the mission.  When I looked at shelving a mission on one of them the requirements for me to shelve it were so high that I would not even be able to achieve that goal.  So I virtually was playing by my self, during one mission the players shelved at 381 product, the rest at 0, I did come in first in this mission amongst all those players 2 or 4 times my level but didn't make much in points or certificates.  I am not a gold user so I couldn't just shelve it that way if it is possible, but I now walk away from a lot of missions just ignoring them if there is nothing I can harvest.
  • Uncle John (GB1)Uncle John (GB1) GB1 Posts: 11,004
    Sounds like they used the Stackmaster tractor
  • I have to admit I have not used any of the farm machinery yet except the first one, mostly because I am confused on how and when to use them.
  • @GoldenrodFarm (US1)  See here: http://crazybigfarm.tk/farm/garage.htm for machine info, should help. They are good to have.
  • Thanks, good article, I visit big crazy farm often but sometimes find it had to find what I want to know.  I have a lot of machines built but only placed one so far, I will have to start using them now.
  • I just "competed" in a mission where I was up against someone at level 202.  I'm level 39.  They had 10 000+ milk collected before I even had 50.  How am I supposed to compete when I have 3 cowsheds?  I started a new mission and the same person is part of it... two in a row.  I know I'm still gaining reputation points, but it's pretty frustrating for a new player. :(
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    I just "competed" in a mission where I was up against someone at level 202.  I'm level 39.  They had 10 000+ milk collected before I even had 50.  How am I supposed to compete when I have 3 cowsheds?  I started a new mission and the same person is part of it... two in a row.  I know I'm still gaining reputation points, but it's pretty frustrating for a new player. :(
    You will be told it is better to be grouped with higher level players rather than ending up doing solo missions.  I dispute this answer.  They need to come up with a better way of grouping players or a better point system.

    You can see my answer above to what we have been told about being grouped with higher ranking players ... https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/3850242/#Comment_3850242
  • Wisso (US1)Wisso (US1) Posts: 19
    edited 23.04.2018
    Just group players based on reputation points.
    I know that there will be complaints about some level 200 player that doesn't play missions at all with 150K RP then shows up in a mission with 5 other players in the 20s ( say 100K to 200K RP bracket) and squash them like bugs, that will happen but then what? he will win and be forced to play in the higher bracket... and so on.

    Make the RP brackets incremental taking into consideration the 10% RP reduction that happens each week so that some players don't take advantage of it to go to a lower bracket...
    I say 11% increment between brackets will be fair for players and would force whoever trying to go down a bracket to stop playing missions for 2 weeks which won't happen much since we get a coopcha every week now! 
  • dchen1 (US1)dchen1 (US1) US1 Posts: 993
    I just "competed" in a mission where I was up against someone at level 202.  I'm level 39.  They had 10 000+ milk collected before I even had 50.  How am I supposed to compete when I have 3 cowsheds?  I started a new mission and the same person is part of it... two in a row.  I know I'm still gaining reputation points, but it's pretty frustrating for a new player. :(
    You will be told it is better to be grouped with higher level players rather than ending up doing solo missions.  I dispute this answer.  They need to come up with a better way of grouping players or a better point system.

    You can see my answer above to what we have been told about being grouped with higher ranking players ... https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/3850242/#Comment_3850242
    I did a mission collecting 1200 milk, everyone else at 0 milk, and got about 11000 reputation and 100 certificates.  I did another mission collecting 1200 milk in 3rd place, first and second at 5000 and 6000, and got about 5000 reputation and 45 certificates.  


    Another example:
    3 players at 0, 1 at 50.  Total of other players is much higher


  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    I just "competed" in a mission where I was up against someone at level 202.  I'm level 39.  They had 10 000+ milk collected before I even had 50.  How am I supposed to compete when I have 3 cowsheds?  I started a new mission and the same person is part of it... two in a row.  I know I'm still gaining reputation points, but it's pretty frustrating for a new player. :(
    You will be told it is better to be grouped with higher level players rather than ending up doing solo missions.  I dispute this answer.  They need to come up with a better way of grouping players or a better point system.

    You can see my answer above to what we have been told about being grouped with higher ranking players ... https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/3850242/#Comment_3850242
    I did a mission collecting 1200 milk, everyone else at 0 milk, and got about 11000 reputation and 100 certificates.  I did another mission collecting 1200 milk in 3rd place, first and second at 5000 and 6000, and got about 5000 reputation and 45 certificates.


    @dchen1 (US1)  Thank you very much for posting an example.  1st place certainly provides more points. There is no doubt about it.
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    @GGS  And while I do understand we would get far less points in a Solo mission, that is besides the point because if we were grouped better overall we would actually stand a chance and get far more points.  So this nonsense to make it seem like we are getting more points does not help the situation of being grouped with high level players with super farms. They need to find a solution for this. 
  • I don't mind being in missions with higher level(300 and over) players. While the top 2 fight it out for 1st place, I hang in at 3rd, sometimes 4th, depending on what the mission is. Milk missions are the best, top 2 players bust out with 25,000 milk in the 1st 5 min. then keep adding. Last milk mission I was in, 1st place had a little over 45,000 milk, 2nd place had 38,000, I was sitting in 3rd with 7,000, those behind me had already shelved, so I did also. I made more rep and certs than if I had been in a mission with players at my level(161) or below.  

  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    I have never seen more RPs from a mission getting second or even 3rd place even with higher players fighting it out.   The only time I have seen more RPs is when the co-op has boosters running or if I have boosters running. 

    Maybe I will have to start a spreadsheet and keep track and see if there is any benefit to being grouped with higher players.  
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