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  • PCA (GB1)PCA (GB1) GB1 Posts: 839
    edited 29.09.2017

    @PCA (GB1)   Did you hover over it to see if it says tools?  or does it say sabotage machine?  It doesn't have the handle like the tools have.


    yes it says tools :smile:




  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    Ok,  just checking.  Thanks so much for your reply!

    Breakdown on the Lab
    126,321,371,000 (lab cost) ÷ 5,000,000 (Average daily earnings) = 25,264.27 days
    25,264.27 (days) ÷ 365 (days in a year) = 69.22 years to fully upgrade the Lab
    That's if you use the daily earnings to upgrade the Lab ONLY, no spending on other upgrades, islands, boosters, or anything else.
  • Surya54 (INT1)Surya54 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 507
    Here's a example the profit would be made from skipjack fishing trip on herring/tuna pool:
    1 Freezer $27,300
    1 Ian $1,950
    4 Nancy $48,000
    1 Walter $3,250
    Total cost at $80,500 for fishing 35 Tuna & 34 Herring in 3 Hours 55 Minutes (Doesn't include loss due to hazards)
    Total cash (Direct Selling): 35 x $2,700 + 34 x $1,800 = $155,700
    Profit from direct selling is up to $75,200
    Huge loss due to hazards (all 5) is $1,300
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    Keep it up!
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    I am wondering if the numbers GGS gave us is based on gross profit (profit after deducting the costs associated with catching the fish and making the chum) or total revenue (all cash brought in from direct sales or market sales without deducting ANY cost)  I am guessing they based it on total revenue which means it is NOT possible to make the amount of cash they are trying to say we can make. Just more hype with no real results. 

    I had a very big headache yesterday so I only did what I could as far as calculating Market prices.  Today I will dig deeper.  Because I am certain we could not possibly make that much cash sending out empty boats and I am fairly certain we could not make that much sending out fully equipped boats.

    "Contract rewards have also been altered to provide a more positive experience, especially when contracts aren't developed very far yet." 
    This is what I don't understand though.  Does this mean the higher we level the contracts the worse they get and less profit we make?

    My contracts are all still at level 0.  With the drop in chum prices and drop in some of the other fish prices, my fish and chum may very well continue to sit in inventory.

    Breakdown on the Lab
    126,321,371,000 (lab cost) ÷ 5,000,000 (Average daily earnings) = 25,264.27 days
    25,264.27 (days) ÷ 365 (days in a year) = 69.22 years to fully upgrade the Lab
    That's if you use the daily earnings to upgrade the Lab ONLY, no spending on other upgrades, islands, boosters, or anything else.
  • garybaldy (GB1)garybaldy (GB1) GB1 Posts: 502
    You will never make the amount that was possible when dsf first appeared , but from the contracts I have seen so far, you can make more than all the rest of your farms combined . If the dsf was first released like this we would have rejoiced , so lets make the best of it . I do feel sorry for those that could not sell their fish from the first appearance  though , maybe GGS could offer a sale  for a day or two ...
  • IAmRoman (US1)IAmRoman (US1) US1 Posts: 2,779
    edited 29.09.2017
    I think you all are taking this DSF debacle a bit too seriously and feel that it should run as a real business runs... I love all you number crunchers because it does help me decide what to do or not to do to a point, but it is a game and nothing is as it would be in the real world. 

    I do wish that all had been able to sell off their fish as I and others were able to do!!!!  :(

    Now with that said, since the debacle, with my 13 lvl 6 trawlers (upgraded with cash from DS direct fish sales), all go out multiple times daily loaded with 6 brigettes and generally 6 Roys unless I don't need that many Roys to clear the pool.

    I started with 1.7 billion cash and now have 2.1 billion cash. This is with buying brigettes and roys, doing building upgrades (cheapest upgrade for me now is about 6 million and getting higher of course), completing OM contracts that take me generally a week or more to complete, selling to visitors, some direct selling of eggs and other sundry items and by picking and choosing DS market contracts (I have gotten my 1 item contact up to lvl 24). 

    I know the increase in cash is abysmally less than it was with the original DS direct selling fish prices... but I am increasing my cash flow, with all the spending, slowly but surely and hope with the new DS contracts, which I have found to be a bit better than they were, the cash will increase even more. And now of course I have the ability to direct sell fish if I so choose to do so, albiet much lower prices than the original. I could make more if I did more direct selling of regular farm products. I save them for a rainy day, visitors and contracts so I sell slowly in a sense.

    I don't care, I don't number crunch, I don't look at what was, I look at what is now and try to make it work for my farms.

    It is a game and I play it for fun and relaxation...  :)

    Do I like everything, NO I don't and I say so!!

    I know you will all think I am nuts... so have fun telling me I am nuts etc! LOL

    all IMHO!

    Happy Farming to all! 

    PS to GGS: Get rid of the Herring and Salmon Favorite Offer, it is a joke! Why would I buy 1 herring at 28K and only be able to sell it at 1,800 or buy 1 Salmon at 84K and only be able to sell it at 4K?!?!?!?! I know I said I don't number crunch, but....  :D

    PPS: Even though I don't number crunch, I am always happy to provide information to help the number crunchers!  ;)
    Post edited by IAmRoman (US1) on

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  • IAmRoman (US1)IAmRoman (US1) US1 Posts: 2,779
    @Griffith (INT1)  I am in total agreement with your review/assessment!!!  It is not perfect but it is now "play-able"!!!

    I actually think it makes the farms work better together or my play better with all the farms and DSF...

    would sure love to see some of the upgrade/equipment costs go down as well!!

    Nice job!!!!  ;)

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  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    JVD (US1) said:
    @Griffith (INT1)  I am in total agreement with your review/assessment!!!  It is not perfect but it is now "play-able"!!!

    I actually think it makes the farms work better together or my play better with all the farms and DSF...

    would sure love to see some of the upgrade/equipment costs go down as well!!

    Nice job!!!!  ;)
    I'm happy with the new price(s) and contracts, so far.  They're a far sight better than they were.  I knew we'd never get back to the old/original values, that would have been wishing for the moon. :)  And yeah, direct sales can be a loss (but that just depends on how you equip, for the most part), but I expected direct sales to be break-even at best. There's no doubt they want us to go through Contracts, first and foremost. :)

    Griffith, any chances of updating the chart(s) in the 1st post, pretty please?  It's my Go-To Post for values reference. :)

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  • IAmRoman (US1)IAmRoman (US1) US1 Posts: 2,779
    @KarenKay (US1)  Hiya Karen!!! Love your post, excellent!!! definitely could not have said a lot of that better!!!  :)  and I did read on!!!  ;)

    I did say I am not a number cruncher, but love those who are... you help us non number peeps go in the right direction for sure and as I said, am happy to help you complile the info! :)

    With all the changes, I am looking forward to more helpful information as @Griffith (INT1) mentioned in his post regarding chum, priority fishing etc.

    hugs!!!!  <3

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  • IAmRoman (US1)IAmRoman (US1) US1 Posts: 2,779
    and @KarenKay (US1) I totally agree...

    "...So instead, let's take what we've been given, and let's find the best strategies to help you get back in that boat and move forward to making some money for your farms."

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  • CIN SOON (INT1)CIN SOON (INT1) INT1 Posts: 136
    As a conclusion, only can sell it to the fish market to get more dollar than you sell it direct in your farm management.... double money!
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    When it comes to number crunching, I personally can't imagine playing economy based game without understanding how the game economy works as that is the purpose of the game - managing resources. I am so much on this side that usually refuse even touch a new feature until I had time to do at least basic financial analysis and understand what I am doing with it.

    @KarenKay (US1) I'll specifically address one point of your comment, which is farming x fishing debate. First of, sharing observation is NOT "moaning and groaning" as you put it. (Or did I misunderstand what you meant?) The problem with original money flow from DSF was actual destruction of a purpose of farming economy, which was well explained so will not go into it again. Since this observation was supported by a tiny minority (wast majority was just happy with a lot of dollars) and I was probably most prolific in this respect, should I assume that you are referring to me in this part of your comment? :)

    @JVD (US1) @KarenKay (US1) I do not understand your comments about "being called nuts", "open myself to ridicule" etc. This is not what happens. I have held minority view on DSF feature all the time, have posted on playing it with profit all the time despite all it's problems, yet NOBODY called me "nuts", ridiculed me or whatever of this type. (Unless you want me to take your "moaning and groaning" as a condescending remark to my previous posts on this topic.) Sharing different opinions and views, especially when well rooted in facts, is just a healthy debate. No disrespect meant, but statements like these are actually damaging. I would take yours @JVD (US1) as a bit of lighthearted joking on your side, but since you @KarenKay (US1) continue in the same "spirit", it seems weird. Are you using this technique to shield yourself from possible disagreeing comments? I don't think anybody would call you nuts or ridicule you for sharing your opinion like this. But other players might disagree for good reasons, especially since some of your generalizing statements simply are not factually correct. Disagreement is not ridicule. Specifically in your case, I like both of you and sure don't want you to refrain from posting, but disagreeing comments will follow, especially when you touch a hot topic and in your posts refer to "all" etc. :):)  
  • Surya54 (INT1)Surya54 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 507
    Added Herring Chum at $21,000

    Surya54 @ WWW 1

    Keep it up!
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    @Surya54 (INT1)  Wow, so tuna, herring and clam are all at 21000?  I think I only need oyster and shrimp chum and any other trinkets we're missing and we will have all the new prices.   :)

    Many thanks to farmerjohn 22 for this creation  :)
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    edited 30.09.2017
    @KarenKay (US1) Thank you so much for taking time to answer in very detailed way. :) I was a bit worried that you or JVD would find my posts intimidating and discouraged you from sharing your views. So glad it's not the case. :) Pheeeeeeeeeef. :):):) It's sometimes easy to misunderstand a point and I'm so happy you explained everything so well. :)

    @Kamilcom (GB1) Perhaps you missed the posts that each started with statements very much like these:
    Everyone knew it wasn't going to last.Anyone with a bit of common sense had to be aware that it was only for a short period of time.
    Everyone was aware that the profits were too high.
    Did anyone really not know that this was coming?I was expecting this, so not a surprise for me.

    A person would post how sad they were that direct selling had been removed and BAM, a person would post, in gentler terminology than this, but made it sound like how stupid can you be to think this was for the long term?

    I knew by posting that some of these same folks would most likely jump out to chide me for not using my intelligence, common sense, and reasoning skills.  Somehow EVERYONE excluding myself and the ones who posted and those who were afraid to post, knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that direct selling was only for a short period of time, or so I was made to feel when I read their posts.  So yes, I put it out there to begin with because it's not a matter of will it happen, just when.

    There is a huge difference between sharing different opinions and views and what was occurring with these previous posts.  I'm all for a healthy debate as long as it is done respectfully with each person allowed to voice their opinion, with no personal attacks or implying that one's intelligence is lacking.
    No, I didn't miss these posts. I even responded to one of them in a lengthy way giving reasons why I expected DSF to stay as it originally was despite not being so happy with it. And also stated what had to be "broken" for that change to happen. I liked Pichu and trusted his repeated promise. It's not wrong to trust words of a person who seems to show integrity and it doesn't imply lack of intelligence at all. I just don't apply these general statements to myself, partially cause I'm so confident about my level of intelligence. Mind you that even after admitting my naivety still nobody ridiculed me or called me nuts. May I suggest that you just do the same and ignore them? After all most of them were probably not meant as an insult as many people struggle to express themselves correctly, and even those which were meant this way can easily be ignored as long as they are general statements as they expose poster, not you.

    There always are different ways of looking at things. Did you realize that everyone who was claiming things like your above examples (and knew about Pichu response) was actually stating that right from the start they knew that Pichu was not telling the truth? Now should I refrain from this statement cause it reveals some facts which might make somebody feel uncomfortable?

    I'd like you to share your views freely and not get intimidated by posts which after all didn't even have to be meant to insult you. I promise I will rush to your help should a villain target you unfairly for sharing your opinions. :) After all if you support your views well you usually take ammunition away from them. And please encourage all your shy friends to boldly step up and speak their mind also. :) We need people to be honest and opened on this forum to make it worth posting here. Thank you.
    Post edited by Kamilcom (GB1) on
  • I appreciate being able to sell fish directly, even if the prices are very low.  I appreciate not having only water prizes contracts.

    That being said, I did like being able to get horseshoes, seed packets, etc.  So for me, I would rather go back to the contracts we were having as long as I can also sell off excess fish.
  • Why, oh why do I have 6 pools of lobster!  Noting but lobster!
    I thought the devs were giving us a variety of pools.  I've never had this problem before:(


  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    I appreciate being able to sell fish directly, even if the prices are very low.  I appreciate not having only water prizes contracts.

    That being said, I did like being able to get horseshoes, seed packets, etc.  So for me, I would rather go back to the contracts we were having as long as I can also sell off excess fish.
    I think water drops etc. would be much less of a problem if they were priced sensibly. Everyone prefers and would use something a bit different and GGS could rather easily accommodate that by providing enough "cash only" contracts for those going after cash while keeping a wide variety of trinkets, provided they massively reduced their negative effect on earnings. I think nearly everybody would be happy with that. Problem was with contracts which only offered you what you didn't want at insane prices.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    This forum is to express our views.  If we do not speak up and state how we feel GGS will assume everything is fine.   I more than anyone would like to simply move on and enjoy the game.  Yes! there have been some improvements.  The direct selling of fish alone is enough to make some people happy. I am really sorry to say, it certainly does not make me happy.  I certainly could understand a reduction in fish prices but the price reduction is too extreme.  All fish except for the little crustaceans when selling directly have been reduced over 80% and most chum has been reduced over 95% causing a loss. Sure you get more for selling through the market IF you get a contract for it. I have so much Lobster and Lobster Chum that I doubt I would ever get enough contracts to use them up.

    I caught certain fish and made certain chum based on the numbers that were present.  I certainly am readjusting my style of play based on the new numbers, however, the past is still in my inventory.  We should have been allowed to cash out and start over if we chose to. 

    I am very happy the cash buffers were completely removed on many contracts, removing the trinkets does indeed allow for more profit, however, this also included lowering the value of fish when selling through the market.  I understand GGS needs a balance but to go from an extreme high to an extreme low is certainly not how it should have been done.  With the high cost of equipment and boats as well as the cost to build the dockyard I do not feel the pricing on fish is adequate.  Reducing no more than 75% of the original pricing for direct sales would have been more appropriate and then set up the fish market in the exact same fashion as the Organic market.  I could never sell chum through direct sales without suffering a loss, I am therefore forced to sell through the market if and when I get contracts for the chum which is not how the organic market works. At least with the organic market there is a profit for each and every item sold through direct sales. 

    It appears GGS does not have an employee that plays Bigfarm on a daily basis and if the players do not speak up GGS cannot possibly know what is off balance.  Take for instance the nails for the Jetty repairs, do you think they just suddenly decided it is too many nails... No .. the change was based on feedback.  The Jetty required far too many nails, nails give a small output and and player would have to sit there making nails over and over in order to have enough nails twice a day and would not be able to make the other necessary products needed for upgrades and other needed repairs.  I also believe the edge plant amount is also too high considering each field suffers a 60% loss every time an edge crop is sown and a massive amount of edge crops are required. The higher the Jetty level the more that is needed for repairs, however, our fields do not produce MORE as the level of the Jetty increases, no, we have to plant more often further reducing our regular crop output.

    So while I am very happy for those that are happy with the return of direct fish sales and are now content, as a number cruncher I am able to realize there are still issues with the DSF that need to balanced a bit more, especially the chum.

    Also while GGS has decreased the direct sale value of Salmon by 89% they continue to try to sell it at 21 times its value though a "Favorite Offer".  This is a 2,000% increase over the current value of Salmon.

    And yes, it gets old saying the same thing over and over or even reading the same thing over and over, but sometimes GGS does listen ... just like they listened about the nails for the Jetty.  We just need to continually express our concerns.  GGS employees are also humans, humans do make mistakes. Those mistakes need to be pointed out so they can be addressed.

    Breakdown on the Lab
    126,321,371,000 (lab cost) ÷ 5,000,000 (Average daily earnings) = 25,264.27 days
    25,264.27 (days) ÷ 365 (days in a year) = 69.22 years to fully upgrade the Lab
    That's if you use the daily earnings to upgrade the Lab ONLY, no spending on other upgrades, islands, boosters, or anything else.
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    @Griffith (INT1) @Shay1968 (US1) @KarenKay (US1)

    Adding:

    Water: $157,500
    Violet Seeds: $337,500




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  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    edited 01.10.2017
    Oyster Chum 5,250

    Edited to add:
     Fuku Tsuho         1,583,400

    Post edited by Shay1968 (US1) on

    Breakdown on the Lab
    126,321,371,000 (lab cost) ÷ 5,000,000 (Average daily earnings) = 25,264.27 days
    25,264.27 (days) ÷ 365 (days in a year) = 69.22 years to fully upgrade the Lab
    That's if you use the daily earnings to upgrade the Lab ONLY, no spending on other upgrades, islands, boosters, or anything else.
  • I completed a number of fish contracts and now I'm getting ones that give 10k fxp, which I don't need at all. I'm just hoping that this means that other items, such as gold and seeds,  will show up again.

    With the ability for direct sale, I sold off most of my stock of fish and now I'm getting a few contracts that don't need shellfish.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    @sally456 (US1)     I have not sold off any fish and I have gotten several contracts that do not ask for shellfish.

    Breakdown on the Lab
    126,321,371,000 (lab cost) ÷ 5,000,000 (Average daily earnings) = 25,264.27 days
    25,264.27 (days) ÷ 365 (days in a year) = 69.22 years to fully upgrade the Lab
    That's if you use the daily earnings to upgrade the Lab ONLY, no spending on other upgrades, islands, boosters, or anything else.
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    @Southern (US1) @Shay1968 (US1)  @Surya54 (INT1)   I updated my chart on the last page...was pulling the pic on the lobster chum to show the price difference, lol, but you had already corrected it.  :)  So all we need is Shrimp Chum and Seaweed Feed, and any other trinket items they might of added.  We're knocking this one out quickly, awesome teamwork! 

    Many thanks to farmerjohn 22 for this creation  :)
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    edited 01.10.2017
    Take a look at the contract I just received:
     
    Looking at this, it appears our price on Rose Seeds is incorrect.
    I'll look for the original post where I received the price I placed in my chart.

    Edit:  I found the original post back 1 page, and the Rose Seed price of $382,500 was correct.  This is my newest contract, wondering if they've made some changes.

    No worries, Griffith had found when there is no dollar amount there could be a variance of the price of the items so that's what we're seeing here.  :)
    Post edited by KarenKay (US1) on

    Many thanks to farmerjohn 22 for this creation  :)

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