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Update August 16th - "Deep Sea Changes" - Discussion

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  • 24-KL0V3R (US1)24-KL0V3R (US1) US1 Posts: 2,464
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  • Damaria3 (US1)Damaria3 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,737
    The Dock is useless since the change.  Herring = 7,079 to Swordfish= 0

    the contract calls for Swordfish, yet none are available.  GGS calls for "balance" in the game.  You must be reading from a different dictionary.
    Unless all of this Dock was intentional, GGS management really screwed up. Whoever engineered, developed, beta-tested the Dock, should be let go.
    GGS gave something to it's players then abruptly took it away, bad business in my book.
    Too much is wrong now including GGS integrity, it has sunk to a new low. 
    Unless GGS comes to the table with something with substance, their cash cow will soon leave.


    Totally agree @farmerjohn 22 (US1) well they still have the war game empire  but they are going to take a HUGE HIT  on this game  and yes they can and will bring out others but I will never pick another GGS game ever to play no trust understand that they have been morally and ethically bankrupt. I will stay play for free but to be honest dont know if it will be that much longer this has really soured me have barely played the game other than to help with that darn jetty and do 3 missions to keep from being demoted  heart just is not here  dont think they will be offering anything that will change it. 
  • GGS has made this game too boring to play if you don't spend GOLD and it has just become way to expensive for normal, hard-working, non-rich people.  This is really a good game and has a helluva lot of potential.  Too bad GGS has let so much greed get in the way of making the game fun to play with reasonable expectations and expense.
  • GGS released the fishing/boats with lucrative rewards. After many farmers spent real money to build and upgrade boats, (GGS raking in millions) they go and take it away, and say it was an accident. Million dollar companies dont make accidents that net them millions of dollars. They do this out of greed. Time after time, GGS has released things so people spend alot of real money on it, then they go and take it away, or change it. 
    I spent a lot of gold upgrading my boats so that I could start prospering from the benefits and then GGS takes it away and of course, they have all my gold/money.  What a scam


  • I believe GGS think this is a nice way to just pull the plug on a once brilliant game. Instead of shutting it down.....they are gonna make it look like the players did by not buying gold anymore.........................................

    I'm onto these GGS tricks. And i've seen this coming.




    Sorry but if they want to shut it down it will just be gone. There is not going to be a drive people away so we can shut it down.

    They have shut games down in the past. One day you are playing the game the next you go to log on and it is gone. No warning, no diving people away so you make it look like no one wants to play the game just gone. They have already done this to 1 game why would they not do it the same way for this one?

    The changes is all about them making the quick buck. We are back to the way it was before the deep sea fishing came to the game. You either buy gold and us it to progress in the game faster you you go at a snails pace.

    Do I like it NO NO NO but that is how it is. Have I bought a lot of gold before the Deep sea fishing came to be yes, did I keep buying the same amount when we had the deep sea fishing extra money yes and I would say even more because I was able to play more parts of the game.

    Would I like it to go back yes will it no. GGS see it that they will not make the money on gold the way it was so they made it the way they think so they will.
    Well, I was actually spending more gold since the DSF began.  It seemed worthwhile and the game was more fun.  Now that I have spent several hundred real dollars between my farms upgrading them and the boats, I feel so scammed by GGS.
  • I can't believe that you took the fishing revenue away.  I'm seriously thinking about leaving this game for good and if I decide not to I will never purchase any gold going forward.  I was still spending gold even on top of the money I was making, so long to me ever buying gold again. You guys are stupid and greedy. "stupid is as stupid does"
    Have you noticed all the "2 for 1" Gold buying pop-ups we have had in the last few days?
    I'd always buy before, but no more! I'm not spending real money for this game anymore!!!
  • Thorim (US1)Thorim (US1) US1 Posts: 197
    I've had 2 pop ups for 2 for 1 gold in the last couple of hours, did not bite...
  • Lady_Muck (AU1)Lady_Muck (AU1) AU1 Posts: 69

    BG has tasks for us to fish Salmon.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Salmon

    The market wants to buy Salmon.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Salmon

    BG has tasks for us to fish Swordfish.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Swordfish

    The market wants to buy Swordfish.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Swordfish

    I have an idea regarding balance:
    You ask us to fish NO MORE fish than you allow us to fish in the pools.
    You ask us to sell NO MORE fish at the market than you have allowed us to fish in the pools. 
  • Playing the game is your choice, owners are allowed change it how they want.
    If you already enjoyed it once, expect more to come, people never change, they hide when they don't have enough to show who they really are.

    Yes indeed it is a person's choice to play a game or not. Yes indeed owners have a right to make changes to a game.
    When players sign up for a game they do not expect game owner's to act like petty thieves and take away the sell button on something they have invested a lot of time and money in.  And while GGS did indeed did give a VERY short notice in a forum instead of in the game itself stating that they were going to make changes to the dockyard area, they never stated they would create the inability to sell our inventory nor did they give us a chance to do so with a simple popup upon login.

    Don't worry I was just talking to myself. I am still not used to this type of behavior. 
    I chose to play this game and surprises I got, is not the first time when they do "changes" . 

    This game was not the first time when I had to experience this type of behavior. People often do that, but not everyone is seeing... they dream of good, and nobody wants to stop them. 

    So let's rethink this: What if every player can make 100 millions green dollars per day ? 
    All these expensive things that can be bought also with few gold, would be never bought with gold. And they won't be happy... so they will have to make this change to make people buy that gold again. 
    But when they make good changes, they must know what people will do with them... they must think that before revenging on them. It seems like revenge... but they are obviously gaining enough, their "economy" is not going down because of this.
    Back to "money are important, this *good thing* is not for every poor kid" . If you look around, is not "GGS" ~_^ . Is their way to keep the difference. 
  • Lady_Muck (AU1)Lady_Muck (AU1) AU1 Posts: 69

    Another one:
    Which two fish are not needed, not asked for, not required,  of no use,  but there are plenty of those in the sea??
    Raise your hand if you know the answer!

  • BG has tasks for us to fish Salmon.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Salmon

    The market wants to buy Salmon.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Salmon

    BG has tasks for us to fish Swordfish.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Swordfish

    The market wants to buy Swordfish.
    Which fish is not in the pools? ...............................................................................................correct: Swordfish

    I have an idea regarding balance:
    You ask us to fish NO MORE fish than you allow us to fish in the pools.
    You ask us to sell NO MORE fish at the market than you have allowed us to fish in the pools. 

    They are obviously having lots of fun right now.............................................. laughing so much
    is their turn to be happy
  • Lady_Muck (AU1)Lady_Muck (AU1) AU1 Posts: 69
    They are obviously having lots of fun right now.............................................. laughing so much
    is their turn to be happy

     Absolutely ... hang on .... Isn't it OUR right to have fun? We PAY for that privilege, don't we?
  • jj11780 (US1)jj11780 (US1) US1 Posts: 17
    I've said this before but I think it bares repeating, there is a universal truth. Don't give people something popular and then take it away. GGS has been the recipient of this lesson on more than one occasion. It seems to me they have yet to learn it.

    GGS is a business, I think we all recognize that fact. They do this to make money, we also recognize that. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to run a game company.

    If you are going to introduce new features to a game, you test them using beta testers. The goal of that effort is to find the bugs and fix them before you go live. GGS fails to use it's beta testers or it's test server to achieve this goal. I've beta tested many a game and have never seen the complete disregard of "beta tester reports" as I have with this game.

    By that same token, GGS will introduce features and later discover they offer too much advantage to the player and then nix them. The Deep Sea Fishing is a classic example of this. The original video ads are another. A smart gaming company would have tested this first but, barring that, they would have maybe halved the profits to their players and made a note for the future.

    GGS continues to make the same mistakes, over and over. What is that old saying? "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

  • 24-KL0V3R (US1)24-KL0V3R (US1) US1 Posts: 2,464
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  • Thorim (US1)Thorim (US1) US1 Posts: 197
    I've said this before but I think it bares repeating, there is a universal truth. Don't give people something popular and then take it away. GGS has been the recipient of this lesson on more than one occasion. It seems to me they have yet to learn it.

    GGS is a business, I think we all recognize that fact. They do this to make money, we also recognize that. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to run a game company.

    If you are going to introduce new features to a game, you test them using beta testers. The goal of that effort is to find the bugs and fix them before you go live. GGS fails to use it's beta testers or it's test server to achieve this goal. I've beta tested many a game and have never seen the complete disregard of "beta tester reports" as I have with this game.

    By that same token, GGS will introduce features and later discover they offer too much advantage to the player and then nix them. The Deep Sea Fishing is a classic example of this. The original video ads are another. A smart gaming company would have tested this first but, barring that, they would have maybe halved the profits to their players and made a note for the future.

    GGS continues to make the same mistakes, over and over. What is that old saying? "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

    Problem is GGS does not believe they are making mistakes.
  • They are obviously having lots of fun right now.............................................. laughing so much
    is their turn to be happy

     Absolutely ... hang on .... Isn't it OUR right to have fun? We PAY for that privilege, don't we?
    Perfect said

    I'm still against the idea of "buying rights" . Rights must be FREE for everyone. "Expensive" must be a parallel world.
  • Thorim (US1)Thorim (US1) US1 Posts: 197
    Looks like someone reedited the GGS Wikipedia entry for the BF didn't read like that yesterday lol
  • I invite ALL of the GGS players to my challenge. It is THE hardest challenge of all. Are you up to the task ?

    1) Playing the game without hitting the skip button.

    2) Only buying gold every 3 months and at the very minimum (4.99)

    or not buying gold at all.

    3) Stop playing into GGS deep pockets.

     By this I mean, They pit us against one another in competitions, entice us with gold offers with items we think we cannot live without or to get ahead in the game before other players. You know that little shopping bag that shows up ? don't click on it. It is designed to reward you for spending your gold so you have to buy more and more and more, etc. This entire game is designed to make GGS rich. Which is okay if they cater to our needs and wants since it is our money. GGS didn't learn from the last time everyone took notice and stopped buying gold. If we do this they won't have any choice but to give us what we want. I don't know about you, but I am tired of being told that changes are for my benefit when it is only a disguise of really being for their benefit only. If they were really worried we would advance too fast in the game then there wouldn't exist a trader lady that sells game dollars. By the way, she exists to make money for them too. You spend your gold on the game dollars it is okay with them, you find a way to make them in the game without buying them, then GGS is going to take that away. That is the real reason the last change was made. A wolf in sheeps clothing is the saying. Don't fall for it. Are you up to the task of playing the game the hardest way possible? I think we can. I for one am not buying gold anywhere as much as I did before (smallest amount now and only every 3-6 months) or even if they do make the change back because then it will be something else later on and we will be right back to this again. GGS really needs to learn the hard way. Exactly as they make the game for us to play- The hardest way and most expensive way. Ready?

  • Do not buy gold 

    Do not play cc
  • I've had 2 pop ups for 2 for 1 gold in the last couple of hours, did not bite...
    Good for you.  Neither am I.  However, I just bought a bunch of gold this past month for both my farms and now I'm sitting here with it and unable to use it in the manner I was planning since GGS decided to take away the DSF.  I was spending more gold than ever after that started.  NOT NOW.  GGS has made a lot of money off of me in the past.  But this is the 2nd time I feel like they have screwed me big time.  I am thinking about playing this game less and going back to the game I was playing before I stopped playing for this game.  It was a helluva lot cheaper and was very fun.
  • MRG1 (US1)MRG1 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,554

    I invite ALL of the GGS players to my challenge. It is THE hardest challenge of all. Are you up to the task ?

    1) Playing the game without hitting the skip button.

    2) Only buying gold every 3 months and at the very minimum (4.99)

    or not buying gold at all.

    3) Stop playing into GGS deep pockets.

     By this I mean, They pit us against one another in competitions, entice us with gold offers with items we think we cannot live without or to get ahead in the game before other players. You know that little shopping bag that shows up ? don't click on it. It is designed to reward you for spending your gold so you have to buy more and more and more, etc. This entire game is designed to make GGS rich. Which is okay if they cater to our needs and wants since it is our money. GGS didn't learn from the last time everyone took notice and stopped buying gold. If we do this they won't have any choice but to give us what we want. I don't know about you, but I am tired of being told that changes are for my benefit when it is only a disguise of really being for their benefit only. If they were really worried we would advance too fast in the game then there wouldn't exist a trader lady that sells game dollars. By the way, she exists to make money for them too. You spend your gold on the game dollars it is okay with them, you find a way to make them in the game without buying them, then GGS is going to take that away. That is the real reason the last change was made. A wolf in sheeps clothing is the saying. Don't fall for it. Are you up to the task of playing the game the hardest way possible? I think we can. I for one am not buying gold anywhere as much as I did before (smallest amount now and only every 3-6 months) or even if they do make the change back because then it will be something else later on and we will be right back to this again. GGS really needs to learn the hard way. Exactly as they make the game for us to play- The hardest way and most expensive way. Ready?

    That's not hard for me. Been doing it this way for years now. Except the part about buying gold at all. Been about 3 yr without buying for me.
  • Looks like someone reedited the GGS Wikipedia entry for the BF didn't read like that yesterday lol
    Which one? Click view history and see past text. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodgame_Studios&action=history 

    . Many people say "stop playing with gold" but they don't know... some inactive people are appearing in tops when (the top) is free. They found these perfect situations to expose their amazing farms being first place. I already told this to people from my server last autumn: "You want to stop them, but you can't, they really do enjoy it" .

    Sorry if my comments sound rude, not intentionally doing that... I'm really sad about this update, and my brain thinks so much....... 
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617

    I invite ALL of the GGS players to my challenge. It is THE hardest challenge of all. Are you up to the task ?

    1) Playing the game without hitting the skip button.

    2) Only buying gold every 3 months and at the very minimum (4.99)

    or not buying gold at all.

    3) Stop playing into GGS deep pockets.

     By this I mean, They pit us against one another in competitions, entice us with gold offers with items we think we cannot live without or to get ahead in the game before other players. You know that little shopping bag that shows up ? don't click on it. It is designed to reward you for spending your gold so you have to buy more and more and more, etc. This entire game is designed to make GGS rich. Which is okay if they cater to our needs and wants since it is our money. GGS didn't learn from the last time everyone took notice and stopped buying gold. If we do this they won't have any choice but to give us what we want. I don't know about you, but I am tired of being told that changes are for my benefit when it is only a disguise of really being for their benefit only. If they were really worried we would advance too fast in the game then there wouldn't exist a trader lady that sells game dollars. By the way, she exists to make money for them too. You spend your gold on the game dollars it is okay with them, you find a way to make them in the game without buying them, then GGS is going to take that away. That is the real reason the last change was made. A wolf in sheeps clothing is the saying. Don't fall for it. Are you up to the task of playing the game the hardest way possible? I think we can. I for one am not buying gold anywhere as much as I did before (smallest amount now and only every 3-6 months) or even if they do make the change back because then it will be something else later on and we will be right back to this again. GGS really needs to learn the hard way. Exactly as they make the game for us to play- The hardest way and most expensive way. Ready?

    But GGS is not going to "give us what we want."  They have other games.  This is just one of them.  If they don't get enough money from gold purchases, they'll just shut this down, pump up their existing games and launch the new ones they probably have on the drawing table.  


  • I invite ALL of the GGS players to my challenge. It is THE hardest challenge of all. Are you up to the task ?

    1) Playing the game without hitting the skip button.

    2) Only buying gold every 3 months and at the very minimum (4.99)

    or not buying gold at all.

    3) Stop playing into GGS deep pockets.

     By this I mean, They pit us against one another in competitions, entice us with gold offers with items we think we cannot live without or to get ahead in the game before other players. You know that little shopping bag that shows up ? don't click on it. It is designed to reward you for spending your gold so you have to buy more and more and more, etc. This entire game is designed to make GGS rich. Which is okay if they cater to our needs and wants since it is our money. GGS didn't learn from the last time everyone took notice and stopped buying gold. If we do this they won't have any choice but to give us what we want. I don't know about you, but I am tired of being told that changes are for my benefit when it is only a disguise of really being for their benefit only. If they were really worried we would advance too fast in the game then there wouldn't exist a trader lady that sells game dollars. By the way, she exists to make money for them too. You spend your gold on the game dollars it is okay with them, you find a way to make them in the game without buying them, then GGS is going to take that away. That is the real reason the last change was made. A wolf in sheeps clothing is the saying. Don't fall for it. Are you up to the task of playing the game the hardest way possible? I think we can. I for one am not buying gold anywhere as much as I did before (smallest amount now and only every 3-6 months) or even if they do make the change back because then it will be something else later on and we will be right back to this again. GGS really needs to learn the hard way. Exactly as they make the game for us to play- The hardest way and most expensive way. Ready?

    But GGS is not going to "give us what we want."  They have other games.  This is just one of them.  If they don't get enough money from gold purchases, they'll just shut this down, pump up their existing games and launch the new ones they probably have on the drawing table.  



    I hear you art, but they won't be throwing this game out with the wash until it becomes impractical to continue it. This game replaced another farm game. They killed the other one not because of customer unhappiness but instead because it was a dinosaur. This game was a beta. (Hell, it still is for all intents and purposes...) This game and one other are their big earners. They will not throw it away as easily as you suggest.
  • Artmaker (GB1)Artmaker (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,495
    Well ha.  First time EVER I logged in and my coop got a notice for being demoted dropping most levels in what ever latest competition.   And ya know what?   That was off my screen in one click.  It means nothing.


    Fed my farm critters, just waiting for another load of corn for a coop project, then I plant my wheat.  Petted the dog, about to go do the same on my other two farms and move to another game for a bit before bed.
    Easy peasy.   Stress free, FREE.  Money will add up, ever so slowly. It matters not.

    My daughter had a theory about this.  Mind you this is just her guess.  But she suggested perhaps someone was disgruntled with their job, set this in motion, took (probably) their last vacation and will be leaving anyway but not before turning the screws on the company.

    Again just her opinion, but it sure makes a lot of sense.   How could anyone trying to make this game successful actually pull a stunt like this?  
    And seriously, if this WAS in the plans, ya think they might have waited until more people were finished unloading their bank accounts to upgrade everything first?
    Yea, either someone did this on purpose, or someone really needs a brain enema. 
  • Everyone pls don't forget we are waiting for a response about Deepsea Fishing, after this weekend.
    There will be for sure a response & I think with so many customers (farmers) unhappy - the "coding" team can make changes to the game, as long as the developer team comes up with something less"hurtful" to ALL of us.

    Huge , humangess mistake was made the first time around with releasing "Fishing region" without it being tested.  This was NOT our fault, it was a big oversight on GGS part.
    Once everybody started spending gold, real money to build-up the dock - buy boats & upgrade them, to take this lucrative fishing region and downgrade it to less than 10% of profit from it - is simply absurd !!!
    Indian givers as they say - give something very nice to all & take it away.

    I'm hoping some of the CEO's & developers have a good business sense to salvage that - it needs to be done, as it was NOT our fault "we became good fishermans" and our farms started making profit from something what was on GGS drawing boards probably for months....
    Before you give us - more farms, more Islands DO TEST them first.  
    Once the updates go "live"  it's hard to ask everybody to forget, that they spend gold, time & invested in a part of game, which may NOT exist or profit after 3months.  It's NOT fair !!

    Lets see , lets hear - what will be the decision - THIS WEEK, as promised, right?

    PS. To all Farmers - STOP demolishing your fleet of ships & farms.  Relax, play less, fish less and see what happens !!!  Fishing was a new addition to the game. Play as you did beforehand till things resolve.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    I will settle for no less than at least a one time ability to sell the fish I have in inventory at the original price.  I can be open-minded to whatever follows but we need to clear up old matters first.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    Looking at the CC leader board, the call to boycott fell on the deaf ears of the heavy gold spenders.  So all you folks hoping a boycott will return the DSF to the way it was probably should rethink this strategy. Some people will continue to throw gold at whatever it is no matter what.  Their choice, of course.  Their choice.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    Looking at the CC leader board, the call to boycott fell on the deaf ears of the heavy gold spenders.  So all you folks hoping a boycott will return the DSF to the way it was probably should rethink this strategy. Some people will continue to throw gold at whatever it is no matter what.  Their choice, of course.  Their choice.
    I am hoping they are simply using all the resources (seaweed feed, fert, and humus) we get from the jetty and other events.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    Looking at the CC leader board, the call to boycott fell on the deaf ears of the heavy gold spenders.  So all you folks hoping a boycott will return the DSF to the way it was probably should rethink this strategy. Some people will continue to throw gold at whatever it is no matter what.  Their choice, of course.  Their choice.
    I am hoping they are simply using all the resources (seaweed feed, fert, and humus) we get from the jetty and other events.
    Nice thought, but prolly not!  LOL!
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