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Update August 16th - "Deep Sea Changes" - Discussion

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      in the same way that the Organic Market worked.

    @WascallyWabbit -  I know you are only passing on what you have been told to tell us, so this is not aimed at you at all, but if the Fish Market worked  in the same way that the Organic Market does players would not feel so duped.  We are able to sell our extra produce if we don't need it for contracts in the OM, why is it changed for the FM?  This would have enabled players to still send their boats out. Okay, we all know the amounts paid out for the fish was too high, but GGS could have halved that/kept fishing times as they were/lowered the cost of equipping the fleet and people would have been fine with that. 

    Why did GGS not wait until the 4th permanent farm was active before balancing the game. That is going to cost $$$ too, so we will be even more in the red.

    My fleet has now been demolished - just wish I could demolish the dockyard now and recoup some of the cash I paid for upgrading that.

    @bdreish (GB1) In that post, I was just referring to when the contracts start to increase in value, being the same as the Organic market. I totally agree that there are differences between them in other respects.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    Another thing....ive been working very long hours the last fortnite or so i'm a bit mentally fuzzy but is it my imagination that the performance of the trawlers has also been changed? My level 5 trawler info button is telling me it only catches 13 fish per hour if sent out without crew, wasn't it higher before the update??
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    13 fish per hour was what it was at prior to the drastic change.

    Level 5 = 170 capacity  13 fish per hour
  • ritacba1 (AU1)ritacba1 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    so i was trying to find where it says that we can not any longer sell the fish. all we can do is make chum and either use it in fishing for more or to sell at the market. is this the case? so we can not sell fish for standard farm dollars at any time?
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    Thanks Shay, just trying to get settled again since sneaky things were done in this update (removal of the 10 free fuku coins per event appearance for example).
  • maggie02 (INT1)maggie02 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 524

    Every change in this update is to the players disadvantage. The option to sell is removed, selling price of fish in market is reduced, fishing time is increased, new pools give only tuna/herring/clamp/shrimp/oyster only. The only aspect which has not been changed is cost- cost of equipment, crew and boat purchase prices or its upgrade. All changes are made just to reduce or eliminate the benefit or returns that players got from deep sea fishing. Now what kind of 'balancing' is that?

    If the update cannot be changed, then atleast reduce the cost proportionately and increase the dollars recieved from filling contracts. 

    I understand that Deep sea fishing was giving a lot of cash, but that was neccessary to cover all the expensive expansions and upgrades of different building and features of this game. Even if players progressed rapidly, it wouldn't 'destroy the long-term challenge'. Players won't loose interest or stop playing if they reached high level. This is because we have so many interesting challenges, variety of activities and fun interactions with coop members. Extra cash helped to play this game happily. Players would have continued to enjoy this game.

    But this update has ruined all the joy of farming and fishing. The least which can be done for players is that, dockyard should give enough dollars to keep it operational and earn reasonable profits. After all we have paid for expensive upgrades of boats.

  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341
     
      in the same way that the Organic Market worked.

    @WascallyWabbit -  I know you are only passing on what you have been told to tell us, so this is not aimed at you at all, but if the Fish Market worked  in the same way that the Organic Market does players would not feel so duped.  We are able to sell our extra produce if we don't need it for contracts in the OM, why is it changed for the FM?  This would have enabled players to still send their boats out. Okay, we all know the amounts paid out for the fish was too high, but GGS could have halved that/kept fishing times as they were/lowered the cost of equipping the fleet and people would have been fine with that. 

    Why did GGS not wait until the 4th permanent farm was active before balancing the game. That is going to cost $$$ too, so we will be even more in the red.

    My fleet has now been demolished - just wish I could demolish the dockyard now and recoup some of the cash I paid for upgrading that.

    @bdreish (GB1) In that post, I was just referring to when the contracts start to increase in value, being the same as the Organic market. I totally agree that there are differences between them in other respects.

    @WascallyWabbit -  yes I totally understand that, I just used that line from your post to highlight that fact that maybe if the FM worked in the same way as the OM there might not have been as much fallout from players. I could possibly have found a more pertinent post from yourself or one of the other Mods but didn't have the time lol for which I apologise ;)
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    Thanks Shay, just trying to get settled again since sneaky things were done in this update (removal of the 10 free fuku coins per event appearance for example).
    @gizmo22 (AU1)
     
    I am so sorry to break the news to you but according to the official announcements:

    "The Master's "introduction task" will now be added in a future update, but, when the event comes to the game, all players will still have enough tokens to play one game for free. "
    "The first tokens will be given out as a reward for the introduction task."

    "Extra event tokens can be purchased with gold or won as future event rewards & saved up."
  • Having cash as a reward is pointless when the farm dollars offered as reward in the contracts i've seen so far are beyond ridiculous.....it costs more to complete the contract than the actual reward given. So GGS's idea of "balancing" is for the players to participate in the deep sea market at a loss? Well rootbugger me, why would anyone with a functioning brain bother playing the deep sea fishing at a loss or to barely break even? What a waste of time!
    Yep. I am too angry to say much. I certainly will never buy gold again and line these thieving b*****s pockets. End of fishing for me, and most probably end of the game.

    GGS = fraudulent and dishonest.
  • TXGma (US1)TXGma (US1) US1 Posts: 56

    SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, FISHING FIASCO --MISCALCULATION OR MISREPRESENTATION?

    Part II

    Players were told they'd LOVE the new fishing activities & prizes/awards were going to be better. We, as players, want to "think" GGS wants things to be fun & have return for the time/cost invested in BF.

    We invested literal money to complete extended upgrade costs and diverted funds from other farms to build a fishing business that was supposed to help the farmers. We drop hundreds of millions to buy over priced resources,equipment & personnel for the boats. We spent a lot of time & resources outfitting the excursions all at the cost of other farm development and productivity.

    Then GGS decides that the players are "getting too far ahead in a game?" It's presented as if we are getting a boost in farm development that may not keep the game interesting, when if fact, it may more likely be an action directed at the only thing that seems to matter to GGS much of the time--their bottom line.

    So—how do the players recoup the hundreds of millions they are losing because the company decides some players are "advancing too soon?" How are we compensated for the losses directed to a now defunct portion of the game? Are you going to return what we spent on all the equipment, gear and upgrades? Or, are you going to throw some nominal mystery box at us in an attempt to make us feel better?

    This was misrepresentation of the game, the earnings, and future benefits of directing our resources into that which was to render a return. Some may say this action was deceptive, misleading,or misrepresented. GGS knew players would make money—if they happened to underestimate the amount in their research,why is the misled player taking the loss? 

    Was one day notice enough to end a revenue source, especially while we were in the middle of HW, VL challenges and other chaotic deadline events going on?  

    Why couldn’t there be a gradual reduction so players can try to figure out how to recoup what was taken from us. We played with the expectation of a gain. Everything about the fishing was over priced to begin with. We make some progress(at great costs) and then you, "Take your toys and go home??"

    We should have had means to sell back what we wasted in gear and personnel. Now we have the option to trash that ice chest that cost $36,000 and call it "trash". We needed time to tear down boats & recoup some of the enormous loss we face. We already know how the organic market works and the fishing was not presented in that manner. The actual profit of either is questionable already.

    Finding a way to correct or divert what you perceive as loss, without destroying players resources would have been a more professional & ethical way to modify the error GGS made.Taking one fish out of the line up at a time, or letting us get our investments back, with a gradual decrease, makes more sense for the consumers who give you a job.

    The excessive amount of activity and over exploiting of what's "called" competitions or challenges has caused many players to get overwhelmed and stressed. We don't get to have the fun and enjoyment of our team because its all about ways to get players to buy gold. There hasn't even been reasonable accommodation for all the challenges at once--we don't get the twins more, even though we compete everyday now. We don't have time to rebuild special seeds and feed because we are throwing them wildly at whatever gold snatching activity is operating at the time.

    What's the point in CC when all one has to do is buy Rep Points--ahhh--GOLD--that's all.

    It is a shame to those of us who are in our 4th year of Big Farm, to see what's happened to the enjoyment and fair play we used to have. It's no wonder many of the best players have left the game all together. There are many games on the market one can purchase and play for ever without having to invest continually to enjoy the play. Perhaps disgruntled farmers will make that choice instead.  

    Now, we as players can't' be greedy or player centered can we? We need to be considerate like GGS was.

      --  Coming up NEXT-- CALLING ALL PLAYERS to help GGS ---




  • crf (US1)crf (US1) US1 Posts: 97
    Where are the the Swordfish Salmon and Cod?  We can't complete the daily challenge for the 50 Swordfish, Salmon. I have not had a fishing hole with those three fish in 3 days.  
    Market needs cod.  NO COD. No Cod no contracts. No daily events completed.  My gosh!! What am I going to do if I can't win my daily rake and brush?  :'(

    I have 4 Tuna/Herring fishing holes and the rest are shellfish. How can we complete the quests or use Cod to fill the market place items if they are not available? 

    Here's one for you. What happens when the fishing HWE comes up and there are no fishing holes available to do the fishing event?  
  • Graciemi (US1)Graciemi (US1) US1 Posts: 23
    Thirty Four pages and counting...........Is it gonna be that EASY to ignore, GGS?  
    @SophiaLorraine (US1)

    Have you read the announcement thread? They addressed us there this morning.

    https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/3607381/#Comment_3607381

    I just read this link.  I thank you Sophia for posting it in forum but now I am incensed at their attitude towards us.  They know what is best?!  Are you kidding me?  How many players are giving good reason to be ticked off an great ideas to improve the game yet GGS knows what will be best for us in the long term.  I will be gone in the long term! Small farms wont be around long enough to get a to the fish market level now. My farm isn't large enough to work the contract till they start to pay off, it would kill my farm to try.  They are standing firm on a very bad change and in the same breath tell us they will make changes we have suggested.  Right!  LMAO  an Santa is real too.
  • Bevk (INT1)Bevk (INT1) Posts: 118
    FHWE will just be a huge flop.

    Lobster, cod, salmon and swordfish are a thing of the past never to be seen again apparently therefore you will need GOLD to skip past those boxes in FHWE.  They really think we have IDIOT imprinted on our foreheads.
  • suggestion let everyone cash in their current fish and then get rid of the fleet all together
  • Wow GGS what a stuff up this latest update has been, 36 pages of complaints from very annoyed players.

    Ever since the update I have not been able to complete my daily tasks at the dockyard as there have been no salmon/cod/swordfish fishing holes.  Obviously you aren't going to give us players what we want, it would be back by now.

    Oh and if you send me a satisfaction survey I will be putting it in the round file, the waste bin the best place for it.


  • Corvid (GB1)Corvid (GB1) GB1 Posts: 625
    thankyou very much
  • Ariel Hsu (INT1)Ariel Hsu (INT1) Posts: 44
    edited 18.08.2017
    If you are running a game company, got no idea how to....

    - Upset your players
    - Reducing their loyalty
    - Driving them mad 
    - Disappointed them

    Here's a great case refer to....


    Edited to reduce the font.

    Post edited by RowdyRac (FormerMod) on
  • lowme1 (US1)lowme1 (US1) Posts: 33
    edited 18.08.2017
    I also was very upset with the changes to the deep sea fishing and the new fish market and agree with many of the comments.  I even thought briefly about abandoning my farm.  I sent GGS some not very kind 'tell us what you think' messages. 

    But then I decided to think of it as an 'event' instead of a new game feature. I had a lot of fun building up the fleet, learning how to fish, and earning millions of farm dollars every day selling fish.  I did use a little gold to speed things along, but not very much.  With the generous fishing prices I was able to purchase the rest of the plots of land on my farms and some upgrades that I wouldn't normally have been able to do for a long time. I knew the great prices couldn't last and only kept 1000 of each fish in inventory.  (I should have made that 10!)

    And now that the 'adjustments' have made deep sea fishing boring and unprofitable, I just pretend the 'event' is over and let the fleet sit and rust at the dock.  I had a great time, I have some wonderful new land, I have more farm dollars in the bank than I ever have before, and no one is forcing me to ever deep sea fish again or visit the fish market.  It was a great 'event' while it lasted; now it's over.  

    The real challenge of this game is not managing the farm, it's avoiding anger at GGS manipulations and lies, and continuing to enjoy my farm in spite of them.

    HarvestMoooon AU1
    Rocky Tree Farm cooperative
    HarvestMoooon, are you interested in buying in a few things I have for sale? I can let you have the statue of liberty for a great price !!! maybe I can interest you in purchasing the White house? oh don't be alarmed if after i cash your check the title to your purchase bounces like a rubber ball, just "pretend" it didn't happen !!!!! 
    @lowme1 (US1)
    Harvest Moooon is not trying to pretend that GGS didn't screw things up or that she won't miss the fun and extra income from the Dockyard.  She is simply trying to over-come this fiasco with a higher train of thought.  And she has every right to the way she chooses to react to this horrible situation.  But to call her out and poke at her is also not a solution here.  I admire her thoughts on the situation.  Some here are going to be a LOT angrier than others depending on what they invested into the dockyard, whether it be just farm dollars and time or gold and time, it will also depend on their losses, how high they built up their fleet, and whether or not they had a chance to sell off their inventory.  Please don't poke at her for sharing her thoughts on the subject.
    OIC you and Harvest can have an opinion but I must stay silent with mine??? Hmmm 
  • Thorim (US1)Thorim (US1) US1 Posts: 197
    edited 18.08.2017
    Well I see steve is at the farm sure would like upgrade some things but I will not be able to NOW since GGS has decided to hold all my fish, lobsters clams and other deep sea fishing creatures hostage, Have to save my farm dollars for that 10X10 49,930 land expansion to grow my farm which really won't help much..... If GGS played fair I''d have the funds to do that but alas life and GGS aren't fair
  • You gave a candy to the kids and took it away. 
    You left only candy paper. I am sad. The game is no longer so enjoyable to me. 
    I can find other entertainment if you do not return the fish sales function. 
    I'll wait until Tuesday. I will delete my acc, if I can not sell the fish again 
    at a good price. Every entertainment has to be fun, but it does not have to endure.
  • Prince13 (INT1)Prince13 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 87

    just wanted to share this with you GGS guys

    I lost the desire to play  after the " update " and did not do much playing after it

    one of my high levels friends just told me she will not play much anymore because of it  too

    so keep up the good work guys !!

    You good guys of GGS says you value our feed back, yeah right !

    so here is my feed back for today

    it is the 1st day in 3 years that I did not even log into the game!

    and believe me, I am not doing this as a retaliation to what you have done with the " update " ... no  it is just that I can't find it in my heart to feel like playing after what you have done to us . I do not think that I am going to enjoy it again. And honestly I do not know if it is a temp lack of desire to play or this change is a permanent one  

  • lowme1 (US1)lowme1 (US1) Posts: 33
    edited 18.08.2017
    I also was very upset with the changes to the deep sea fishing and the new fish market and agree with many of the comments.  I even thought briefly about abandoning my farm.  I sent GGS some not very kind 'tell us what you think' messages. 

    But then I decided to think of it as an 'event' instead of a new game feature. I had a lot of fun building up the fleet, learning how to fish, and earning millions of farm dollars every day selling fish.  I did use a little gold to speed things along, but not very much.  With the generous fishing prices I was able to purchase the rest of the plots of land on my farms and some upgrades that I wouldn't normally have been able to do for a long time. I knew the great prices couldn't last and only kept 1000 of each fish in inventory.  (I should have made that 10!)

    And now that the 'adjustments' have made deep sea fishing boring and unprofitable, I just pretend the 'event' is over and let the fleet sit and rust at the dock.  I had a great time, I have some wonderful new land, I have more farm dollars in the bank than I ever have before, and no one is forcing me to ever deep sea fish again or visit the fish market.  It was a great 'event' while it lasted; now it's over.  

    The real challenge of this game is not managing the farm, it's avoiding anger at GGS manipulations and lies, and continuing to enjoy my farm in spite of them.

    HarvestMoooon AU1
    Rocky Tree Farm cooperative
    HarvestMoooon, are you interested in buying in a few things I have for sale? I can let you have the statue of liberty for a great price !!! maybe I can interest you in purchasing the White house? oh don't be alarmed if after i cash your check the title to your purchase bounces like a rubber ball, just "pretend" it didn't happen !!!!! 
    @lowme1 (US1)
    Harvest Moooon is not trying to pretend that GGS didn't screw things up or that she won't miss the fun and extra income from the Dockyard.  She is simply trying to over-come this fiasco with a higher train of thought.  And she has every right to the way she chooses to react to this horrible situation.  But to call her out and poke at her is also not a solution here.  I admire her thoughts on the situation.  Some here are going to be a LOT angrier than others depending on what they invested into the dockyard, whether it be just farm dollars and time or gold and time, it will also depend on their losses, how high they built up their fleet, and whether or not they had a chance to sell off their inventory.  Please don't poke at her for sharing her thoughts on the subject.
    OIC you and Harvest can have an opinion but I must stay silent with mine??? Hmmm 

    We just see things differently. Let’s say I save up for a month to purchase an item from a store, I pay the store daily for that item, each day when I go in to make my payment the store says for a few extra $$ you can upgrade your item to a better model and I do. Now after a month I have my item paid for and take it home. A few days later a thief breaks into my house and steals my new item. My reaction is to call the police and report the theft. And yours is to say well I enjoyed the item while I had it I’ll just “pretend” this never happened.  Just different reactions to life situations. Your reaction works for you mine works for me. 

  • Raprap (SKN1)Raprap (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 3
    First i spend A LOT of money for getting 12 trawlers to level 6. Knowing that i can sell my fish and get the money back. What happens next could make me use words that are not allowed in here. You changed the game so it wasn't possible to sell fish anymore....what the h... are you thinking?
    Soon i will be out of here...
    I know that it's a way for you to make us use our billions....so we buy more gold and so on....
    But how about giving a little back sometimes?
    I give it 2 month and then you lost a level 243 gamer !
  • Raprap (SKN1)Raprap (SKN1) SKN1 Posts: 3
    Hy there!
    I was expecting this, so not a surprise for me.
    This update comes to resolve what from the first place was an error in my opinion...the huge profit from the deep fishing area.
    Sorry guys, but everybody has the right to an opinion no?
    In one single day, you could earn 15 millions $ from the farms and 185 millions $ from the deep sea fishing,
    resulting in a 7.5% income from farms and 92.5% income from fishing
    In other words, in this situation, there was no reason any more for clicking in the farms and there was no reason any more for using decos etc etc...the game became a non sense and this update will resolve this aspect...it's a step for bringing back the normality.
    What is NOT ok, is the aspect regarding the insane prices for the laboratory, Lester's tree and so on...that is other mistake..and they covered a mistake with other mistake.
    In my opinion, from the first place, these buidings should have had a resonable cost, while the deep sea fishing should not contribute with more than 50% from the total daily $ income. That would be a good balance!




    Clinn...remember all the money spend on things you put on the boats for every trip. ANd the price for updating them. Almost 100 mill. for 1 boat (without the update with architect/man in the red van)
  • 24-KL0V3R (US1)24-KL0V3R (US1) US1 Posts: 2,464
    edited 30.01.2023
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  • aquilawolf (US1)aquilawolf (US1) US1 Posts: 104
    I read I don't comment much but I am always here reading . I am in . I also do not agree with the recent changes as I am at a loss also . Market orders are not enough to even cover the expenses of equipping boats . GGS not listening to its customer base . It seems the only response we get is no changes coming deal with it and a blog that shows their ignoring players and( I am surprised no one has mentioned) their financial stability and recent profits also mentioned in that same blog . So are we really boycotting the upcoming cc ( not playing it ) , and market ( boats parked ) and not buying or using gold ? I am in support of my fellow players and agree . We all need to stand together to get something done or it will be the same old same old . GGS wins and no changes . Then they will do another stunt to make us buy more gold and line their pockets more .  This game has been like that for a while now ( funneling players into buying and spending gold to advance ) . The prices of the land , Matilda , Lester stash , The lab , CC every 2 weeks and nonstop temp farms .  Village league (a competition with no end and take year or more to reach any rank that receive any decent amount of reward for the effort ) . GGS has not been listening for a long time ( not just 1 thing wrong but several ) .     We were grateful for the new fish farm . I myself also made plenty of $ from it and was able to do things I could not before . And because it was introduced with FHW also upgraded and spent to get scale moving and boats upgraded .  I also felt a little bit of that  "evening of the playing field "  . Enjoyed it while it lasted . Soo sad that my boats are parked. And to hear that soo many players are leaving the game .  What we going to do about it ?  Because - Unless there is enough of us to do something all this posting is a waste of time . 36 pages of complaints I would call this EPIC proportions of unsatisfied players and across all servers . I am just appalled that deal with it is the only response from GGS .  I read every bit of it (took me days ) .          Thank you Griffith and Southern for trying to find a ray of hope in this mess .
  • Thorim (US1)Thorim (US1) US1 Posts: 197
    edited 18.08.2017
    I am a low end buyer of gold but several members in my co-op "used to"" buy good size chunks of gold every month and know they are refusing to buy gold and aren't playing the game as much. I am all for a boycott of the up coming cc and not buying gold, to paraphrase an old saying, if we do not all hang together we will all hang separately...
  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    crf (US1) said:
    Where are the the Swordfish Salmon and Cod?  We can't complete the daily challenge for the 50 Swordfish, Salmon. I have not had a fishing hole with those three fish in 3 days.  
    Market needs cod.  NO COD. No Cod no contracts. No daily events completed.  My gosh!! What am I going to do if I can't win my daily rake and brush?  :'(

    I have 4 Tuna/Herring fishing holes and the rest are shellfish. How can we complete the quests or use Cod to fill the market place items if they are not available? 

    Here's one for you. What happens when the fishing HWE comes up and there are no fishing holes available to do the fishing event?  
    Don't care now fhwe this game is going to be down either way they don't listen to their players what u except from such guys
  • i just had a look at the fishing money you will get from the fishing market.I does not add up.so in the market they say i will get 148000 for supplying 126 clams but when i send out my skipjack boat it costs me more than i will make it just makes no sence at all.They should just reduce the prices that you can make by selling your fish.I for one will not buy any more gold and i will not use the fishing region untill this is fixed and i advise us all to boycott the fishing region and nobody should but any gold for at least the next 2 weeks and see what the bosses in headoffice do about it.  
  • G'day Pichu

    Firstly, kudos to you and the others that have been given the job of trying to defend these undefendable game changes.

    Lets point out a few facts that we, the players are aware of.
    In the orgasmic markets we can sell our product or not, the choice is ours. With the fish market the only way to make money is to sell there.
    In the orgasmic market the contracts always have money and sometime bonuses. In the Fish market some of the contracts have no money and only bonuses. What is the point of a contract that doesn't pay? I can not go to my local fish market and offer 1 rake and 2 brush and expect to receive 150 cod.
    The bonus offered are rakes and brushes, nothing to do with fishing, the bonuses should at the very least be crew and equipment.
    The value of the products we sell have gone down to about 10% of the original price.
    We are told the changes are for balance and because players are upgrading there farms to quickly. Yet the option to upgrade farms quickly remains (and therefore unbalance the game) if we want to use gold.

    All the changes seem to be based on greed and gold. Please do not treat us, the players as if we dont understand this

    Regards.
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