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Update August 16th - "Deep Sea Changes" - Discussion

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  • paultje1975 (US1)paultje1975 (US1) US1 Posts: 163
    edited 17.08.2017

    well ggs you couldnt be more wrong about the balance thing and that this needed to be done to make the game for longer time good and enjoyable to plaay.


    you showed again that you really dont understand your own game and the people playing it.

    I found back mine joy in playing the game with the WWC and the fishing. First you ruined the WWC and aftre that the fishing.

    I am done with it after 4 years playing the game its back to the same old boring thing. So after 4 years of playing i made a decision to stop the game. I played with many people  and wanna thank all for a wonderful time but the game is ruined for me so dont have the joy anymore to be here. Even you people could not make good what GGS destroyes.


  • 24-KL0V3R (US1)24-KL0V3R (US1) US1 Posts: 2,464
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  • Jenni 1 (AU1)Jenni 1 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 151
    Really ? you want me to fill out a satisfaction survey !!!!!!


    Image result for laughing hyenasimages


    I got one too....and I sent it in...but its a real shame there is no where to add comments
  • muggle1 (GB1)muggle1 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 124
    I currently have 5 herring and tuna ponds.  I am not even going to send out the boats.
  • JVD (US1) said:
    or the in-game pm system... just like they did for the WWC ranking updates!!!

    edit: I think all official announcements should be pm'd to the players!!!

    Damaria3 (US1) said:


    @Damaria3 (US1)

    It is all well good that they gave notice here on the forum; there are lot of people myself included that rarely if ever come to the forum so we were not notified... How hard would it have been to have popup come on the screen when you logged in they have popups for everything else, usually at the most inopportune times like while running a mission, so why not for something as important as this. If they had done that I am sure there would be a lot less upset people!!!
    Agree that is why everyone needs to be in coops with leaders who do their job and check the forum daily all my coop members were given a heads up 5 day prior and when it was found out their plan given the info.  Now not everyone is in a coop or have life issues, vacations and yes something this drastic they could have done more for as a company.  As to people not being upset so much  look at the posts very few are just about that issue. 
    They could have and should have handled this differently....so make all the excuses you want, doesn't change the facts  :(

    Everyone could have been notified  !!
    One day notice? AND they did not bother to indicate that we would no longer be able to sell our fish and chum, because if they had, believe me, I would have sold ALL of mine, since the fish market is pitiful and I won't be wasting my time on THAT travesty.
  • well ggs you couldnt be more wrong about the balance thing and that this needed to be done to make the game for longer time good and enjoyable to plaay.


    you showed again that you really dont understand your own game and the people playing it.

    I found back mine joy in playing the game with the WWC and the fishing. First you ruined the WWC and aftre that the fishing.

    I am done with it after 4 years playing the game its back to the same old boring thing. So after 4 years of playing i made a decision to stop the game. I played with many people  and wanna thank all for a wonderful time but the game is ruined for me so dont have the joy anymore to be here. Even you people could not make good what GGS destroyes.



    I'm right behind you, my old friend. We had some good times but it has gotten worse than ridiculous. These people have no clue how to run a customer-based business. Send the better half my best. :)
  • well ggs you couldnt be more wrong about the balance thing and that this needed to be done to make the game for longer time good and enjoyable to plaay.


    you showed again that you really dont understand your own game and the people playing it.

    I found back mine joy in playing the game with the WWC and the fishing. First you ruined the WWC and aftre that the fishing.

    I am done with it after 4 years playing the game its back to the same old boring thing. So after 4 years of playing i made a decision to stop the game. I played with many people  and wanna thank all for a wonderful time but the game is ruined for me so dont have the joy anymore to be here. Even you people could not make good what GGS destroyes.



    I'm right behind you, my old friend. We had some good times but it has gotten worse than ridiculous. These people have no clue how to run a customer-based business. Send the better half my best. :)

    The game is definitely in trouble...we did have fun while it lasted
  • JustMe (US1)JustMe (US1) US1 Posts: 491
    edited 17.08.2017
    Has anyone read GGS recent company blog  https://www.goodgamestudios.com/blog/  Back on track to profits after all the redundancies recently made. I bet a lot of those profits where from people upgrading shipyard with gold. GGS must have a big grin on their face.  I only used $ for mine.

    As a business owner I am all for capitalism. I think most of us - even those critical of how much gold things cost or players who "buy wins" - have made purchases of gold and are well aware this is not a charity business. We would probably be cussing if GGS went out of business and no more farm or which ever other unmentionable GGs game might end or if they were sold to another company and the new company made drastic changes.

    The crux is the manner in which this was planned, implemented, encouraged, and then pulled out from under in a mannerless and unethical format. Manipulation and lack of communication without care for their customer base. If - and that is a big and unbelievable "IF" - they had poor planning and didn't think players would actually use and realize players would gain millions in cash daily then the whole team should be fired plain and simple.

    This module took months of planning and number crunching and probably went through many types of evaluations and scenerios before it was launched.

    Even the "re-balancing" act was 100% planned - in advance - for weeks if not months. To believe that a few days ago some one on the dev teams said "OMG!!! look at what we have done!! The players are progressing TOO FAST and all because of the $$ from fish!! We have to stop that immediately" would be as moronic as the devs seem to think we are. To not expect blowback would also be unrealistic. And the whole team should be fired - plain and simple.

    Maybe they did not expect this much - they should have though given the several recent fubars which have occurred - planned or not.

    The question is who benefits from this "adjustment". NOT the players that is 100% a fact! and shame, SHAME on the postings that purport this nonsense. Is it just about the gold? NO! or making a profit? NO! Bully for them they can do that.

    I think of the the German story of Hansel and Gretel where the witch fattens children by tempting them with sweets and a good place to be and then stuffs them in the oven when they are fat enough. 

    I know of no company on the planet that does not want to grow through new customers but retain existing ones. Have a LOYAL returning customer base.We have to WANT to spend our money. 

    So again I have to ask who really benefits with this? The mods are upset. Players upset. Obviously does not meet the criteria of the comany 's recent press release... Where is the "win"???
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    Okay, here's another constructive suggestion.  I'm sure this would be nearly impossible from a programming point of view, but something like it might handle all the concerns of the players.

    How about splitting BigFarm up into different versions?  Start with the basic game with just the 3 basic farms.  Version Two would be all that PLUS perhaps Oleg fishing and the Co-op Championship.  Version 3 might add the Co-op Village and Deep Sea Fishing.   And so on. These would be completely separate games and players would not interact between versions, but could transfer to a different version while keeping their original 3 farms fully intact.

    That way we actually COULD pick and choose which parts of the game we want to participate in AND be playing the game only with other players who felt the same way.  Competitors could compete, fuddy-duddies could slowly build up their farms without distraction, those who felt they were bored with too little to do could change to a more complex and complicated game.  And if you then found out you didn't like your choice, you could change back to the one you were previously in.
    On paper, that looks good.  But, the number of overall players has decreased , so if the game were divided up into 3 or more parts, the numbers in any one section would be miniscule by comparison.  Take that concept to a smaller server and it would be even worse.  Still, it would be fun to have all the top level golders in one cramped place to watch the competitiveness take over -- you could make a fortune selling tickets. :)
  • JustMe (US1)JustMe (US1) US1 Posts: 491
    Also as a non-negative comment I was able to complete all daily fishing tasks  -- even though I have only had 1 pool appear that has had swordfish, salmon and cod and that was this morning - with significantly reduced #s of swordfish and salmon and significantly increased amounts of cod and at the farthest point possible 

    Hope that continues but I am afraid 7500 FXP daily and all the left sided tasks will also be "re-balanced" because we are "progressing too fast" and not getting the statisfaction out of our rewards and not being challenged enough.

    Not really expecting for better fishing for the FHWE.
  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341
    I hope your daughter gives the GGS the "what-for" in her ratings!

    Lol, I am sure she will :)
  • GGS ethics? I'll try oxymorons for $1000, Alex... ;-)  Seriously, though. Corvid summed up the situation perfectly in another thread on the Brit server. They sold us something that we in good faith paid real money for. Collected our payments then juked us when it was time to deliver their end of the deal. You SOLD us this feature, GGS. I like this quote from GGS's Company Blog. It tells us all we need to know re: their ethics. (or lack thereof)  

    “Before the reorganization, we focused our efforts heavily on creating new games in new genres while neglecting the needs of our loyal audience who are playing our current titles. Following the strategic realignment, two of our blockbusters ‘Goodgame Empire’ and ‘Big Farm’ have our full attention and have also been switched to a more user-centered development approach since the beginning of the year.”

    Let's repeat the pertinent part: They admitted that they were "...neglecting the needs of our loyal audience who are playing our current titles..."  They could not possibly care less about us, their loyal paying customers. Really ballsy though not very smart to publically admit that they behave this way as a business entity. Quite pathetic, actually.

    Quit paying, we are being played the fool. GGS needs to completely reverse their "balancing act".  Completely and now. Many accounts have already been dismantled beyond repair. Many more are on their way down the tubes. You have screwed up terribly, GGS. Own it and fix it. Prove that you can operate your business ethically. You look horrible today. Potential investors must cringe when they read your blogs and business reports. Things are looking grim for you if you continue on your present course. 
  • I currently have 5 herring and tuna ponds.  I am not even going to send out the boats.
    ALL of my ponds are herring/tuna!!  I haven't sent boats out since the change and I've refused every contract because of how crappy they are.......I started equipping a level 6 trawler and realized how much it was gonna cost me to do it.....I don't even know what I was thinking.......I haven't had a tuna/herring contract yet!!  I'm so disenchanted with the whole shebang right now, I didn't play enough the last 2 days to even finish "Not Of This World".....I have adored this game for 2 and a half years, but since this fiasco, my heart isn't in it.....my heart is nowhere even near it anymore...... :(
  • My fellow farmers, this fish market is one HUGE RIPOFF.  Might be the biggest one ever by GGS and I will not be participating.  I will be boycotting it. I will not sell all my products at a loss and pretend I am not.  Maybe they can't do math or maybe they think we can't.  Doesn't matter either way.  A contract for 374 chum and 126 Sword pays 1,233,330--6pet combs and 2 rakes, but costs over 1.4 mil to produce.  Don't just click and go!! Do the math for yourselves and don't sell your products at a loss.  Just don't sell them at all if GGS will not provide a reasonable market.  You can still have fun on the farm!!
    I started selling off my boats. GGS is "all knowing" what is best.  I don't work something to sell for a loss.  I am insulted that they think we lack intelligence enough to know it isn't worth the money to send a boat out any more.. that we believe the final upgrade wasn't ready or this was a re-balance.. that is so insulting to me.  If anyone finds a fair game worth playing, let us all know!
    CC me on that Please!!! 
  • Damaria3 (US1)Damaria3 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,737
     Feel the same way @SophiaLorraine (US1) I did send out those two as experiement have a bunch of ships with fish on could careless piddled with the farms cause as you said heart just not into it. This company has taught me a valuable lesson about spending my money on a game I am thinking of only going subscription does anyone know where to find good info. private message me if you have suggestions
  • I have to agree with you all,  reading the posts on this forum is more interesting than playing the game, how sad is that? (especially since this is the only time I have come to the forum and it was because they had got me that upset over what was an interesting game)


    Sigh, I guess it's time to start again, with a different game but don't think I will be inclined to ever purchase gold or whatever the next one will use. I spent some good money on this game (still not sure how I talked myself into that but really didn't regret it) and to feel like I have been taken advantage of, sits very badly with me. I'm just glad I didn't go crazy with the updates some players did.

    I did send out my fleet today and omg you only have to come back once a day now, cuz of how long it takes to for them to fish now. The fishing has never been fast, why would they make it take longer? Anyways, i'm seriously bummed because I found a game that held my interest, started to lose it then made a wonderful change by adding deep sea fishing so made it fun to update and work my farms again, and now taken it away so that there is no more fun. I was even sneaking on at work to play,  Today, I have spent more time reading the posts than playing and found it more interesting, again how sad?


    GGS, You have had many players give you very good suggestions on ways to fix this serious issue, please listen and let us sell the fish for a decent price doesn't have to be as high but when you offer a contract for less than a million for 50 swordfish you have got to be kidding. Re-Balance your rebalancing because you seriously went to an extreme on the negative side. Listen to your customers and do what any good company would do with this many complaints, which is try to adjust to make it fair both to your customers and you. How many customers are you willing to lose for something that could at least be somewhat fixed?
  • TO GGS:

    HAHAHA ! HAVE YOU READ THE ALL LETTERS ALREADY? WE PLAYERS WILL DESTROY YOUR BUSINESS ( MONKEYBUSSINESS )! MOST OF US LEAVE YOUR STUPID GAME AND THE REST DO NOT BUY A GOLD ! HAHAHA !!! BLAME YOUSELF !
  • Jillaroo (US1)Jillaroo (US1) US1 Posts: 54

    well ggs you couldnt be more wrong about the balance thing and that this needed to be done to make the game for longer time good and enjoyable to plaay.


    you showed again that you really dont understand your own game and the people playing it.

    I found back mine joy in playing the game with the WWC and the fishing. First you ruined the WWC and aftre that the fishing.

    I am done with it after 4 years playing the game its back to the same old boring thing. So after 4 years of playing i made a decision to stop the game. I played with many people  and wanna thank all for a wonderful time but the game is ruined for me so dont have the joy anymore to be here. Even you people could not make good what GGS destroyes.


    Wow, you really did it. You left your coop. Hope all goes well for you.
  • The dollar value for selling fish should have been halved rather than eliminated from the game. i understand wanting en economic balance but this feels like a slap in the face from ggs. HATE IT!
  • Test server has been up and running for the past several weeks..........NO fish market was introduced, and nothing had been changed about selling the fish........and WHY?  So those of us who play the test server wouldn't be able to go back to our co ops and our regular farms and teammates and WARN them!!!!  That is exactly why we didn't get to TEST the stupid new fish market......It's a travesty!!  Nothing to be proud of nor write home to Uncle George about for SURE!    >:)
  • It's such a simple fix, reduce the dollar amounts for selling fish and chum. taking it away though is such an over reaction. come on ggs
  • It's such a simple fix, reduce the dollar amounts for selling fish and chum. taking it away though is such an over reaction. come on ggs

    I didn't pay for that. I want the mess completely reversed. They knew we'd make exactly what we would make off of the feature. They sold it to us. I want what I paid for. Nothing less.
  • At this time the gaming company is bankrupt .. very soon.


    This is no business.

    Customer service is bad.

    The customer does not serve.

    I would not dare to run this company if the level is the same.

    Players leave the ship very quickly if there are no changes.
  • I have to agree with you all,  reading the posts on this forum is more interesting than playing the game, how sad is that? (especially since this is the only time I have come to the forum and it was because they had got me that upset over what was an interesting game)


    Sigh, I guess it's time to start again, with a different game but don't think I will be inclined to ever purchase gold or whatever the next one will use. I spent some good money on this game (still not sure how I talked myself into that but really didn't regret it) and to feel like I have been taken advantage of, sits very badly with me. I'm just glad I didn't go crazy with the updates some players did.

    I did send out my fleet today and omg you only have to come back once a day now, cuz of how long it takes to for them to fish now. The fishing has never been fast, why would they make it take longer? Anyways, i'm seriously bummed because I found a game that held my interest, started to lose it then made a wonderful change by adding deep sea fishing so made it fun to update and work my farms again, and now taken it away so that there is no more fun. I was even sneaking on at work to play,  Today, I have spent more time reading the posts than playing and found it more interesting, again how sad?


    GGS, You have had many players give you very good suggestions on ways to fix this serious issue, please listen and let us sell the fish for a decent price doesn't have to be as high but when you offer a contract for less than a million for 50 swordfish you have got to be kidding. Re-Balance your rebalancing because you seriously went to an extreme on the negative side. Listen to your customers and do what any good company would do with this many complaints, which is try to adjust to make it fair both to your customers and you. How many customers are you willing to lose for something that could at least be somewhat fixed?
    I lov & agree with almost everything that sexyscorpio said !!!! I only differ on the statement of "please listen and let us sell the fish for a decent price doesn't have to be as high but...." I do not want a DECENT price i want the ~650 million I earned and have stored. We all played and spent GOLD in good faith, following the rules set in place by BF !!!! I haven't even spoken of the untold GOLD I & others spent to upgrade. NO NO NO I do not want a decent price for what I worked for a month to obtain I want was was taken from me!!!!  
  • IceeMimi (US1)IceeMimi (US1) US1 Posts: 137
    No problem on the Deep Sea Fishing. Am docking all my trawlers and no longer playing the Deep Sea Fishing. The cost to run the trawler versus the reward is not worth the effort. Just a money drain. What was once fun has now become a chore. I play this game to relieve stress, not to have stress added. So, I no longer play the Deep Sea Fishing, Village, Meadow, Temp farm, and I will slightly dabble in the horses. I may work on the three farms and determine my future gaming involvement. I am currently level 176. Often a top player in my co-op, I set the alarm clock during events to gain maximum harvests. No more interrupted sleeps. Working on a co-op project at the moment, after that, plan to give that responsibility over to another player as I have been in charge of selecting. Had to force myself to play yesterday and today since the new changes. It would be easy for me to walk away from the game with this new change.  
  • Bufo (AU1)Bufo (AU1) AU1 Posts: 167

    @CuddlyFoxes

    GGS failed to mention how many contracts they had to decline to get this select bunch of rewards.

    Would it be possible to find out?
  • Does GGS really read our comments? with this many complaints, you would think someone would take charge and do about our complaints. I don't see this happening, their pockets are more important than our comments. I will bench my fleet of boats and just go back to playing my 3 farms. Way to go GGS. How many more do you want to upset and see us leave









  • Last night my coop was filled with white and yellow dots, tonight white yellow & red, GREAT JOB BF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
  • Does GGS really read our comments? with this many complaints, you would think someone would take charge and do about our complaints. I don't see this happening, their pockets are more important than our comments. I will bench my fleet of boats and just go back to playing my 3 farms. Way to go GGS. How many more do you want to upset and see us leave

    some of my friends have left the game...its becoming impossible to play
    the village league horses and a new 4th farm
    the best most fun thing was the dockyard...could have let us sell fish for less.
    they will probably close this discussion soon
    they have had complaints from every country
    my friends were long term players ...sad days








  • Thirty Four pages and counting...........Is it gonna be that EASY to ignore, GGS?  
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