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Update Feb 22nd - The Country Fair is here Again! - Discussion

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  • Prince13 (INT1)Prince13 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 87

    we really do need more tools from buildings

    please do that so we can use the new garage  machines

    thanx

  • ashim (IN1)ashim (IN1) IN1 Posts: 572
    what is best way to get tools ? hope ggs will increase the quantity of tools so that we ll get more tools very easily
  • Hi Guys,

    We already passed on that there have been multiple requests (from all the communities) for an increase in the toolbox drop-rate & the devs are going to monitor the situation to see how things progress.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    Hi Guys,

    We already passed on that there have been multiple requests (from all the communities) for an increase in the toolbox drop-rate & the devs are going to monitor the situation to see how things progress.

    Here is one thing that I would hope is considered.

    Some people would say that this is a game of "economy" and that people should learn to choose when to use tools and when not to use them......that people should learn to prioritize.  I completely agree with this.  The point is that this was already occurring.  Myself and many others (who play a lot) were already using all of the tools that we could collect.... and it is a lot less than we would like to use.  There are now two new machines which will have an option to use tools to activate.  There were 4 beforehand.  This is an increase of 50 percent.  Therefore, an increase of 50 percent in the tools would be required just to keep the current state of things in place.  In previous posts, I have suggested and increase of 50-100 percent.  This is precisely how I calculated the 50 percent part of that range.  The reason that I suggest a range, is that I strongly feel, we had slightly too few tools already.  Therefore, going slightly above 50 percent seems appropriate to me, especially given, that they are even harder to collect for smaller farms. 

    Now, here is what a 100 percent increase means:  If we say that were at 100 percent before today.  If you add 50 percent, just to keep pace, because of the new machines.  That gets you to 150 percent.  If you add another 50 percent, you get to 200 percent (a doubling of the current drop rate).  But that 50 percent is only a 1/3 increase over the previous amount that serves as the status quo, as adjusted for the two new machines.  So a 100 percent increase in tools means only 33 percent more possible tool usage. 


    So a doubling of the tool usage would only increase tools by 33 percent over their current usage.  A 50 percent increase means just keeping the status quo.  So this is where I came up with the range of 50-100 percent.  50 percent is the status quo and 100 percent represents a 33 percent increase in potential tool activity.
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    @gavinfarms (US1) I think you are expecting way to much from GGS.
     As you put it
     "Some people would say that this is a game of "economy" and that people should learn to choose when to use tools and when not to use them......that people should learn to prioritize.  I completely agree with this.  The point is that this was already occurring.  Myself and many others (who play a lot) were already using all of the tools that we could collect.... and it is a lot less than we would like to use."

     of course there will less tools than we would like, is that not part of the strategy?
     With the increase in the total amount we can now have on hand, which is 5 times what it was, it should be easier to use the tractors more often, even with the new ones added.
     The drop rate may need a minor adjustment up, but over all it just means building up your stock of tools, planning which tractor to use when until you get your strategy for the tractors worked out.
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    Keeping a careful eye, at least for me, the drop rate of tools has decreased since the update.  I regularly receive at least 1 per harvest of pigs, and about every other one of chickens, occasionally in cows.  The animals are no longer dropping ANY tools.  I am only able to receive them through the silo and composter.  Whereas I normally receive right around 20 a day, I received 7.  So excited about the new machines, but bummed that it's going to take me such a long time before I even get to start to build one of them  :/
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    It's amazing how many players constantly monitor what drops where. :) For me tools stil drop from stables, chicken etc. Haven't noticed any change, but that might be cause I don¨t pay attention. Usually doing other stuff while playing, unless I'm "studying" and calculating some features, then I focuss. An idea to the debate on tools amount. We "recently" got new land. New land means more facilities can be built. More facilities harvested mean more drops of tools. Will let you work out the percentage, but it can mean substantial increase.
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    It's amazing how many players constantly monitor what drops where. :) 
    I run Humus Pro, Special Press, and Farm Flash at Option 3 constantly, so tools are always in demand and I watch the drops hoping I don't have to wait to get them running.  So now, I'll have to run them at Option 2 which isn't the best bang for the buck, but uses certz and no tools.

    I'm not sure why my stables cease to produce tools, but they have.  :/   Really hope it's just a glitch and they'll start spewing out some tools any minute now.

    Yes, you're right, we have more land available at ridiculous prices, but once we can afford them we COULD place additional cows, pigs, and chickens.  BUT then we're right back where we started from since sheds aren't producing any tools.  You can't build a second Silo or Composter which are the only buildings that are producing.
  • Damaria3 (US1)Damaria3 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,737
    Was the same for me Karen Kay  only got 2 yesterday and I was here most of day I am not going to sweat it, not in any big rush to build any of these machines. May not even do the two of them that will require further certificates ect to use as not seeing them as big assets.  I never shelve unless it is CC and back to back milk is the only thing that would really be a big help with so will have to think about it.  Glad that some people are happy with this update.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617


     of course there will less tools than we would like, is that not part of the strategy?
     With the increase in the total amount we can now have on hand, which is 5 times what it was, it should be easier to use the tractors more often, even with the new ones added.
     The drop rate may need a minor adjustment up, but over all it just means building up your stock of tools, planning which tractor to use when until you get your strategy for the tractors worked out.
    Of course, you're presuming everyone has the same high drop rate that top players like yourself enjoy.  It's all I can do to keep enough tools on hand to keep the green house humus coming, not to mention the occasional use of other production machinery -- "building up a stock of tools" is not an option for many, even when harvesting to the max.

    The drop rate most definitely needs to increase. :)
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273

     With the increase in the total amount we can now have on hand, which is 5 times what it was, it should be easier to use the tractors more often, even with the new ones added.
    No.  My stock of tools never got close to 100, so it would not get close to 500.  In my personal situation, I use all of the tools that I generate.  @KarenKay (US1)  mentions the use of the third option on the various machines.  This is a good description of my usage as well.

    My main goal, was to make clear that a doubling of the tools in the game would on yield a 33 percent improvement in tool usage, so that GGS would understand that in order to provide a 33 boost, they must double the tools.

    @KarenKay (US1) .......Yesterday I harvested all sixteen cows and got no tools.  That is not ordinary, but it does happen from time to time.  Overall, I am still receiving tools from all animals at what appears to be the same rate as always.  I think one day might be too little time to draw a conclusion from.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 23.02.2017
    It's amazing how many players constantly monitor what drops where. :) For me tools stil drop from stables, chicken etc. Haven't noticed any change, but that might be cause I don¨t pay attention. Usually doing other stuff while playing, unless I'm "studying" and calculating some features, then I focuss. An idea to the debate on tools amount. We "recently" got new land. New land means more facilities can be built. More facilities harvested mean more drops of tools. Will let you work out the percentage, but it can mean substantial increase.

    Yes, but you cannot build a second silo or a second composter, which are the most reliable sources of tools in the game.  There was a 44 percent increase in land area, but that did not result in anything near a 44 percent increase in tools.  One cannot calculate an exact increase, but it would be much less than 44 percent. 
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    @gavinfarms (US1) Those diligent enough could calculate the increase, and of course it will denepnd how you use your new land. Somebody suggested building more chicken increases tool drops. If you fill new land with fields and houses that's no tool increase of course. I really can't comment on actual numbers as I don't pay attention, but the space for increase is undoubtedly there and you missed that in your campaining for drop increase. That's all I say. :)

    @KarenKay (US1) You might actually be right that tools don't drop as they did. I can't be relied on with these things unless I pay attention on purpose. Might be worth to check with other players who pay more attention if tools still drop from stables and chicken as before.
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    It's amazing how many players constantly monitor what drops where. :) For me tools stil drop from stables, chicken etc. Haven't noticed any change, but that might be cause I don¨t pay attention. Usually doing other stuff while playing, unless I'm "studying" and calculating some features, then I focuss. An idea to the debate on tools amount. We "recently" got new land. New land means more facilities can be built. More facilities harvested mean more drops of tools. Will let you work out the percentage, but it can mean substantial increase.

    Yes, but you cannot build a second silo or a second composter, which are the most reliable sources of tools in the game.  There was a 44 percent increase in land area, but that did not result in anything near a 44 percent increase in tools.  One cannot calculate an exact increase, but it would be much less than 44 percent. 
    Does the Silo & Composter on the Gourmet Farm drop tools?  I don't have (either one) on that farm so I can't check, but if it does that could be another source.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    @gavinfarms (US1) Those diligent enough could calculate the increase, and of course it will denepnd how you use your new land. Somebody suggested building more chicken increases tool drops. If you fill new land with fields and houses that's no tool increase of course. I really can't comment on actual numbers as I don't pay attention, but the space for increase is undoubtedly there and you missed that in your campaining for drop increase. That's all I say. :)

    @KarenKay (US1) You might actually be right that tools don't drop as they did. I can't be relied on with these things unless I pay attention on purpose. Might be worth to check with other players who pay more attention if tools still drop from stables and chicken as before.

     @Kamilcom (GB1)
    Did you not read my last statement?  I did not miss anything.  I bought all of the new land last September.  I increased the volume of all things, evenly, but you cannot add a second silo or a second composter.  That is not allowed......... and a large chunk of the daily tools come from those two places.  Therefore there is only a minor increase in tools from the new land.

    As to your second paragraph......Have you totally forgotten your own usage of the Law of Large Numbers?
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    @KarenKay (US1) .......Yesterday I harvested all sixteen cows and got no tools.  That is not ordinary, but it does happen from time to time.  Overall, I am still receiving tools from all animals at what appears to be the same rate as always.  I think one day might be too little time to draw a conclusion from.
    I've continued to harvest eggs repeatedly all morning, as well as pigs, and not one.  Cows were harvested once, again none.  I hope it changes, but for now it's a bit depressing  :'(

    @KarenKay (US1) You might actually be right that tools don't drop as they did. I can't be relied on with these things unless I pay attention on purpose. Might be worth to check with other players who pay more attention if tools still drop from stables and chicken as before.
    Ulterior motive in posting what's happening.  As you know, and we've discussed, when something great is happening, and you come on here and post about it, like that mining license every single HW in a mystery box, it ultimately poofs never to be seen or heard of again.  So I was hoping by posting what ISN'T happening I might be rewarded with at least a drop now and then...anything above a zero would be appreciated  :)  Coop members are having drops from the animal sheds, but at a reduced rate.  Heck, I'd be cool with a reduced rate, just not happy with none.

    Does the Silo & Composter on the Gourmet Farm drop tools?  I don't have (either one) on that farm so I can't check, but if it does that could be another source. 
    No they do not, sure wish they did!
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
     @Kamilcom (GB1)
    Did you not read my last statement?  I did not miss anything.  I bought all of the new land last September.  I increased the volume of all things, evenly, but you cannot add a second silo or a second composter.  That is not allowed......... and a large chunk of the daily tools come from those two places.  Therefore there is only a minor increase in tools from the new land.

    As to your second paragraph......Have you totally forgotten your own usage of the Law of Large Numbers?
    Yes, I read it. I think you just again as usual push things with not very good support.

    As to LLN, if you don't mind, that second paragraph was for Karen, not for you. And would be wise of you not to talk about things of which you have very lttle understanding. I wasted great amount of time and effort with you on that topic in another thread, and your understanding didn't move a notch higher.
  • I find the drop rate of tools ok.  I have enough tools now to fully upgrade hovercraft and by the time it fully upgrades I will have enough to start my next machine build and upgrade.


    I am not using any of my other tractors ATM until my new machines have finished, that was my choice.  But I do have lots of chooks (+30) and they give me a toolbox just about every harvest.
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    Happy Dance  Happy Dance


    59th harvest of chickens and I got 1, count em 1 tools....WooHoo!  Onwards and upwards  :)
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 23.02.2017
     @Kamilcom (GB1)
    Did you not read my last statement?  I did not miss anything.  I bought all of the new land last September.  I increased the volume of all things, evenly, but you cannot add a second silo or a second composter.  That is not allowed......... and a large chunk of the daily tools come from those two places.  Therefore there is only a minor increase in tools from the new land.

    As to your second paragraph......Have you totally forgotten your own usage of the Law of Large Numbers?
    Yes, I read it. I think you just again as usual push things with not very good support.

    As to LLN, if you don't mind, that second paragraph was for Karen, not for you. And would be wise of you not to talk about things of which you have very lttle understanding. I wasted great amount of time and effort with you on that topic in another thread, and your understanding didn't move a notch higher.
    I understand that you are not serious in your postings to the forum.  I used quite significant and detailed support.  The forum needs to be a place for the positive exchange of ideas, not trolling with slights and barbs.  Real changes in the game often result from discussions in the forum, so I take it seriously.  After four years in the game, I am deeply invested in seeing that any changes be thoughtful and positive.  I am very much open to any detailed critique of how I might be mistaken, but, as of yet, you have not provided that.  I will be happy to engage a when a thoughtful critique is presented.
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  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    KarenKay (US1) said:

    Coop members are having drops from the animal sheds, but at a reduced rate.  Heck, I'd be cool with a reduced rate, just not happy with none.

    Let's divide it into two categories.  Category One is the tools from the composter and the silo.  How are your tools from these items?  My tools from these sources are identical to before.  (And for me, this is over half of my daily tool collection, since I run them 24/7)

    Category Two is the animals.  For me, it is exactly the same as before.

    Southern (US1) said:

    Does the Silo & Composter on the Gourmet Farm drop tools?  I don't have (either one) on that farm so I can't check, but if it does that could be another source.
    KarenKay (US1) is right that they do not.  In other forum postings, I have argued for years that they should also come from these two sources.  I hope GGS will consider that.

  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    @gavinfarms (US1)  Category 1, composter and silo are dropping tools but less than what they did the day before.

    Category 2, animals, cows still at 0, pigs at 0, and chickens I received 1 on the 59th harvest of the 10 coops.  I normally get 1 every time I harvest my 4 pigs, chickens every other time, and cows now and then, no regularity with them.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    @gavinfarms (US1), like @KarenKay , I also have seen a significant decrease.  I should have had a handful of tools drop by mid morning from my animals.  It is now late afternoon, and I have received 1 tool -- just 1 -- this entire day, and that was from my composter.
  • Qat (US1)Qat (US1) US1 Posts: 46
    Has the County Fair event actually started for anyone yet? Ready, Set, Snow event has started for me.
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    Qat (US1) said:
    Has the County Fair event actually started for anyone yet? Ready, Set, Snow event has started for me.
    https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/3415373/#Comment_3415373

  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    @gavinfarms (US1), like @KarenKay , I also have seen a significant decrease.  I should have had a handful of tools drop by mid morning from my animals.  It is now late afternoon, and I have received 1 tool -- just 1 -- this entire day, and that was from my composter.

    @gavinfarms (US1)  Category 1, composter and silo are dropping tools but less than what they did the day before.

    Category 2, animals, cows still at 0, pigs at 0, and chickens I received 1 on the 59th harvest of the 10 coops.  I normally get 1 every time I harvest my 4 pigs, chickens every other time, and cows now and then, no regularity with them.

    On the composter and silo, there has always been a "Rounding" issue, in that it does not seem to round up.  For example, if it takes 300 fertilizer to get 3 tools, then 290 fertilizer will only get you 2.  I do not know the exact thresholds involved, but I noticed this long ago, and found that it is best to simply always run them at full loads to avoid this.  I will double check the amounts that I get when I harvest them tonight and post that in here for reference.  Mine are both fully upgraded.

    On the animals, mine seem to be right on target.  The "problem" with "drop rates" is that it will vary a little.  Last night, on the Camping Event, I was almost done with "animals tracks" and so I decided to seaweed some Sunflowers.  I only needed one set of tracks, but it took me 10 sunflowers to get it.  The variance went against me there.  So I am just a little skeptical as to how much we can glean from just one day of data.

    I will keep watch on my animals, but as of now, my daily total of tools is the same as before, and I know that the composter and silo have not changed, which would mean that animals are turning out at roughly the same rate.




  • Qat (US1)Qat (US1) US1 Posts: 46
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268

    I will keep watch on my animals, but as of now, my daily total of tools is the same as before, and I know that the composter and silo have not changed, which would mean that animals are turning out at roughly the same rate.

    I haven't noticed a change either, Gavin. My Silo with 500 fert continues to give me 4-5 tools, my Composter gives me 2-3 (on 24 Humus), and I'm averaging about 1-2 an hour from 12 chickens/3 pigs/5 cows.

    It'll probably take me longer to get the certs for everything than the tools - I only had about 15,000 Certs stockpiled, and that's barely enough for 1 of these new machines to get to Level 7. :)
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 24.02.2017

    I will keep watch on my animals, but as of now, my daily total of tools is the same as before, and I know that the composter and silo have not changed, which would mean that animals are turning out at roughly the same rate.

    I haven't noticed a change either, Gavin. My Silo with 500 fert continues to give me 4-5 tools, my Composter gives me 2-3 (on 24 Humus), and I'm averaging about 1-2 an hour from 12 chickens/3 pigs/5 cows.

    It'll probably take me longer to get the certs for everything than the tools - I only had about 15,000 Certs stockpiled, and that's barely enough for 1 of these new machines to get to Level 7. :)

    The composter gives me 2 or 3 as well on a full load.  This afternoon, I have been trying something that was recommended to me by another farmer.  Running the composter in cycles of 6, yields 1 tool, almost every time.  This yields more tools over the same amount of time.  I have done that three times.  So far, that works.

    The silo is usually 5 for me.  I will collect it again soon.
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268

    I will keep watch on my animals, but as of now, my daily total of tools is the same as before, and I know that the composter and silo have not changed, which would mean that animals are turning out at roughly the same rate.

    I haven't noticed a change either, Gavin. My Silo with 500 fert continues to give me 4-5 tools, my Composter gives me 2-3 (on 24 Humus), and I'm averaging about 1-2 an hour from 12 chickens/3 pigs/5 cows.

    It'll probably take me longer to get the certs for everything than the tools - I only had about 15,000 Certs stockpiled, and that's barely enough for 1 of these new machines to get to Level 7. :)

    The composter gives me 2 or 3 as well on a full load.  This afternoon, I have been trying something that was recommended to me by another farmer.  Running the composter in cycles of 6, yields 1 tool, almost every time.  This yields more tools over the same amount of time.  I have done that three times.  So far, that works.

    Good tip, I'll start on that as soon as my current harvest finishes. :)
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