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Important Information: BIG FARM Players

From Ape-regina, leader of the top ranking coop,  Astro Shining, to Big Farm, and to all the farmers: 

This game and the coop challenge in particular, has unfortunately evolved into an arrogant race for unreasonable victory. This general madness is exceeding the positive limits of the game. This is NOT competition! The time has come for us to take a stand in favor of the true spirit and sportsmanship that used to characterize the game. At the moment, the winner will be the player who has the most gold, even if he is less capable at strategy than players with less gold.  This is unfair and has gone on long enough. GGS is deaf to the general dissatisfaction of players. 

Astro Shining, one of the top ranking coops on the International 1 server, has decided to set an example for all! We, as members of Astro Shining, want to object against the way the game is changing and in so doing, we also speak for those who value the same principles as we do. 

We REFUSE to continue this "Killing Game". We say stop! As long as things do not change, we do not compete anymore. If this will involve our descent in the rankings, it does not matter! We are second in the top ranking. When they restore the values of healthy sportsmanship, respect for each other as opponents, loyalty and fairness, Astro Shining will recover its place in the general ranking: we are strong, united, and well organized. We can do it! 

If any Astro member wants to compete, he or she will do it as a traveling player in the utmost fairness and of its ability, in coops that need strong players, then return to the group. But not under the flag of Astro! 

It's time to change, and to regain the right values! Astro Shining is doing just that!

 

Good game to all

 

Ape-regina

Astro Shining leader

Number 2 position in the overall ranking

International 1

Comments

  • Thank you, I feel exactly the same and support this decision fully.
  • e c burger (INT1)e c burger (INT1) INT1 Posts: 69
    Thank you Ape-Regina, this is needed...I am happy to support you in this decision..
  • ancha (INT1)ancha (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1
    I agree fully with the above.  Pleasure to play the game because of gold monger competitions, is been taken out of the game.  Hope we can go back or better (clean game orientated) competitions. 
  • ape-regina (INT1)ape-regina (INT1) INT1 Posts: 45
    That, are the Astro Shining girls! GREAT! ^____^
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    As much as I agree with your comment, there is no way ggs is going to change the way the CC is. It makes them too much money.
     What they should do is introduce an event like the CC that all could take part in and not be able to use "Gold" and or "Seaweed" for the time of the event. IMO
  • I agree Data King, or maybe just a limit, like maximum 100 gold.
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    That is a good idea as well @Farmer100 (INT1)! Then both sides may be happy with that idea. A gold and or spending limit to help allow the free players to still take part and maybe have a chance at some of the better rewards.
  • I fully agree with Astro Shining's feelings regarding the CC.  My interest in playing in the CC has slowly faded. I'm with Data King and Farmer 100. Can there be a happy medium to this issue?
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 25.09.2016
    Astro Shining isn't the first to make such an announcement - I remember at least 1 (but thought 2) other coops did a similar thing. I always thought it would be just the right thing to do for the top players to step aside after so many victories and let the next one win... But the whole contest is so competitive that I can understand the top ranking players won't give their place in ranking away ... This is why me and my coop members decided long time ago not to compete seriously in the CC, we only join the competition (for ourselves and the working rewards) once every 3 months.

    IMHO a contest isn't a contest if you can predict which coop will win the highest prize and which coop member will win within the coop.

    GGS met us half way when they changed the CC by putting different leagues in the contest, but do agree with Data King that they will never ever change the whole CC as we would wish for. 

    Fully agree with Data King's suggestion :+1:  and Farmer10 and bdreish do have good ideas too. :+1:
    Post edited by Jiesta (NL1) on
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    Yes, one of the biggest problems of this game. It's identity. Is it a strategy farming economy simulator, or is that casino type slot machine? Do we use math and strategy with planning to develop our farms, or do we just get several thousand GBP ready, max out everything and then just click click click like crazy, spending thousands of real cash, to win absolutely meaningles victories? :) It's sort of both, which creates loads of problems and frustration for many. Competitions here are never real competitions. In fact competing in this game makes no sense whatsoever. Not to me anyway. Given that plus other profound problems of the game and team behind it, my solution is simply no attachement. As Data King says, I don't think they will stop this nonsense, so why bother? That leaves me with the option to either find my way to play within this craze ignoring all that nonsense, or ignore the game completelly and play something else. :) I oscilate between the two, but it does tend to iritate me how much potentilal there is in this game and how completely the game team spoiled it and wasted it. :)
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    I have no problems with people using gold to build up their farms.  But to buy harvests, reputation points, etc., during missions and the CC is beyond good sportsmanship.  I've used this analogy before:  It's like training for the Olympics, runners all lined up at the starting line, but when the starting pistol goes off, other people show up with bags of gold and walk off with the medals.  
  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341
    edited 25.09.2016

    We should be given the option of joining a league that uses gold or a league that doesn't.  The gold using league would have better rewards but at least the strategic farmers would have a chance of winning once in a while.

  • Damaria3 (US1)Damaria3 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,737
    I made a suggestion  did not get much response I think because of all the changes going on. I will try again  to give everyone or at least more players a fighting chance those that win have to sit out the next CC in discussing with another member they thought the first five in all leagues sit out the next CC with no ability to drop from one group to join another that would be another whole kettle of stinky fish. In US it is always the same and it is EGO  how many coop trees and enormous duck pens can you use. EGO and Greed  deadly sins and they are killing the fun for too many.  This should be advantageous to GGS as others will have a chance and gold will be bought because this is a business they are going to be reluctant to initiate anything that does not promote income for them. Saying  that it still would not kill them to have a gold free event once in a while maybe every three months  to boost morale and let US know we are heard and appreciated.  I had hoped to see Good Sportsmanship in that the top group would stand down voluntarily has not happened and evidently this happens in the other severs too so GGS  really has to do something to promote fairness and get the EGO out and more people playing.
  • Although I agree with both Data King and Ape-regina,  The last coop that decided that the game was a money grubbing backstabbing, unmentionable because of the first changes in the way the Championship was handled didn't work.  The members joined other coops or stayed with their coop and played anyway.  

    We all want the perfect game, but we are  all refusing to see the issue here.  Although GGS has free players and it is a free game they like most businesses have employees, a board of directors and a few other people that require money to survive.  Whether you are first place, fifth place or last place you play the game at your own risk and need to understand that this is a business, not a charity.  The point of any company is to make money.  They are not going to change their operation to please anyone but themselves which is going for the players that are willing and able to use gold to either purchase seaweed everything for instant gratification or gold itself.  It isn't going to change their way of doing business, and all though we all want it to be the perfect game it isn't so whether you do the challenge or don't do the challenge, whether you buy gold, play the wheel or not this is the way it is.  They see this as a way of making money, therefore this is what they are going to do no matter the amount of protest there is.  They do however give us the forum to vent and rant at the way things are going so that we continue to play their game and accept the status quo.    Use the forum as you see fit, make your declarations of whatever you are protesting and understand that if it doesn't cut into their profit margin they may see their way clear to help.  The most recent bugs should give you an idea of what they will do or won't do and I have to say it isn't a great deal that they are willing to do whether you are a gold player or not.

    The only way you will get a protest to work is to get with ALL the players and we strike refuse to spend gold, refuse to play the game.  Why won't this work?  Cause there are always people willing to be scabs, besides how many people do you know can  get together  and all agree on course of action if you aren't their parent, someone with a gun, religious leader, or their boss?  

    I agree with your ideals and our needs to make this game fairer and saner.  I hope that GGS is listening and understanding that most of us believe in a democracy rather then a dictatorship, but I am not holding out much hope for it.  I wish you luck in your efforts Ape-regina and that your coop survives the protest, but I seriously wouldn't hold my breath for the changes you are hoping for because once one starts getting paid, it is something that is very hard to give up.

    Respectfully submitted,

    FW22
  • Thank you all for your positive and enlightening comments so far. It shows us that there is a general agreement among players and that GGS should at least pay attention to our requests.

    Happy farming  :)
  • If GGS sets a limit for gold used in a mission, it will mean that we will have to either upgrade our libraries or use more humus etc. Players will use less gold in missions, but the competition will at least be more fair.  To some extent at least. Now it is just click, click click ... gold, gold gold. Like the Olympic Games with some athletes on heavy steroids.
  • Fair play yes gold play no

    Yes Laura enough is enough if GG BF wants only gold spender they can I will not be a part of it, I do spend Gold but not crazy to spend on all and each and every event or task mainly Corp Challenges.

    If Astro takes a stand that does include me 

  • Yes, Jadi - it is better to invest in upgrading fields, animals, library upgrades, etcetera. That shows some strategy. Thank you for your valued comment.
  • Thank you Ape-Regina....i fully agree with your proposal.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617

    We should be given the option of joining a league that uses gold or a league that doesn't.  The gold using league would have better rewards but at least the strategic farmers would have a chance of winning once in a while.

    Wonderful idea.
  • i totally agree with you ;)<3
  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784
    edited 26.09.2016

    We should be given the option of joining a league that uses gold or a league that doesn't.  The gold using league would have better rewards but at least the strategic farmers would have a chance of winning once in a while.

    Wonderful idea.
    a very nice idea... but many co-ops have gold and non gold spenders... so many parameters to try and work all this out... should be gold/no gold or no gold in the challenge and we all know that is not going to happen :(

    Just take away the ability to purchase REP points - no wheel, no shopping bags etc... everyone should have to play missions and actually compete to win them within the game rules or shelve them and take their chances.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    JVD (US1) said:

    We should be given the option of joining a league that uses gold or a league that doesn't.  The gold using league would have better rewards but at least the strategic farmers would have a chance of winning once in a while.

    Wonderful idea.
    a very nice idea... but many co-ops have gold and non gold spenders... so many parameters to try and work all this out... should be gold/no gold or no gold in the challenge and we all know that is not going to happen :(

    Just take away the ability to purchase REP points - no wheel, no shopping bags etc... everyone should have to play missions and actually compete to win them within the game rules or shelve them and take their chances.
    I thought about that, too.  The coop would have to decide.  I like the idea of disabling REP points.  But to really even the playing field, no use of gold during the CC -- no using gold to collect the harvests.  Like that would happen.  LOL!
  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784

    I thought about that, too.  The coop would have to decide.  I like the idea of disabling REP points.  But to really even the playing field, no use of gold during the CC -- no using gold to collect the harvests.  Like that would happen.  LOL!
    LOL, let's keep dreaming :)

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